Hi friends,

If you are looking for fun you can get it even with Comanche Gold LOL



ufo :-)

Don't get me wrong but what is in fact a misconception is what you say about the Comanche that it's like some sort or an "alien spaceship" completly diferent of any helicopter but that's not true! Yes, the Comanche is capable of some impressive manouvers that are very hard to achive with other helicopters but nevertheless the Comanche is a HELICOPTER and even more the Comanche is a CONVENTIONAL helicopter (with main rotor and tail rotor) and therefore the basic rules of helicopter physics and flight model/dynamics are just as valid for the Comanche as it is for any other helicopter! Basically what difers from the Comanche from other helicopters are performance issues but the basic physics laws are the same.

Anyway, there isn't any manouver that you can't do in the Comanche3 sim that can't be done in ArmA but there are (realistic) manouvers that you can do with helicopters in ArmA that can't be done in Comanche3 therefore I still stand with what I inicially said: The ArmA helicopter flight model is superior to the Comanche3 helicopter flight model! Saying that the Comanche3 flight model isn't limited because it's limitations (in terms of manouvers) aren't used or rarelly used in combat is at least a wrong assumption - It's like making a racing sim (Formula 1 for example) where the player can't do a spin with the car on purpose because in the middle of the race the player isn't supposed to make spins, that doesn't make sence to me that's what I say...

Then simply put, you are one of those people who doesn't understand the Comanche. Whether that's because you don't care for the Comanche enough to find out or through ignorance, you are one of those people.

P.S. ufolev's video showcase is probably not the best representation of what the Comanche is about in C3/G, as he uses a MOUSE to fly!

Even if you use a joystick (and I used one to play Comanche 3) you can't do more than those manouvers in Comanche 3. In Comanche 3 the helicopter can't be put at a angle nose up or nose down highter than something like 45 degrees and the video posted by ufolev clearly shows that.

No definitly I don't understand the Comanche, he never complained or exposed "his" problems to me...

Anyway, either my English is plain bad or for some reason I didn't explain well or it's definitly not me the "ignorant"

The fact that you can't put the nose over 45 degrees up or down says nothing about the flight model in C3/G. If you read what I said earlier, about the Comanche having different flight model/control laws you might, just might, have understood where this is coming from. Don't you think the REAL Comanche would have had a limit of 45 degrees up/down nose pitch to make low level flight tactics easier?



In that case your English is bad or you didn't explain well.

Ok, now I see that we completly disagree with each other and here's exactly where I disagree with you:
- I disagree that a flight model that isn't capable of putting ANY helicopter in 45 degrees up or down isn't limited or doesn't mean that's limited! Any flight model that models a modern helicopter that isn't capable of making manouvers with more than 45 degree nose up or down (such as the Comanche 3 flight model) is simply a LIMITED flight model. Period!
- I also completly disagree about the part that "the Comanche have different flight model/control laws". This is simply NOT true! Any helicopter no matter how advanced it is, is run by the same basic flight model/control laws as any other helicopter. Don't confuse "perfomance" with "flight model/control laws".



Not by default! There could have been some sort of function(s) coupled with or belonging to the autopilot that could provide some sort of manouver limitation (just as there are others such as the Auto-Hover). But this would be an autopilot configuration or something similar which BTW should be easily overidden by the pilot in order to allow him to make more aggresive manouvers (more than 45 degrees up and down).
Resuming in a NORMAL flight profile the Comanche would never have that limitation! If you watch some real footage about the Comanche you'll see that the helicopter does execute more and 45 degree up or down manouvers.





Like everyone else in the world I also have my own limitations but not being able to explain myself well in English (which BTW, it isn't my first language but I'm 100% sure that I'm much better in your language than you are in mine) is definitly NOT on my limitations list...

Obviously normal helicopter limitations apply - to a point. All I'm going to say is this... once you wire an aircraft's flight control system up to a computer - you can dramatically shift what's limited and what's not. The Comanche was the only fly-by-wire helicopter in it's day - and still the only one to that extent - and look at how the flight characteristics of jet fighters have changed when you compare 'traditional' to FBW ones. Even though the Comanche was of a 'traditional' helicopter layout, it could do anything a co-axial helicopter could do - except the bit higher maximum speed.

Of course the Comanche does outside of 45 degree up/down maneuvers in videos you've seen - because that control law applied there is the 'aerobatic' one. A different one could be used when doing the low-level flight as I tried to explain, which would limit these unnecessary movements and abilities to go upside down, etc.

I don't know why you think you're right, and I don't believe that I have ever said I am right. But I'm guessing I have a lot more research under my belt than you, on the Comanche. Why can't you just believe it? Helicopter flight characteristics have changed over the last 50 years you know?

It is real! It is real! ?

It is real ... 8)

played the demo. wasn't impressed.

only difference from arma 2 appears to be the introduction of trim mechanics.

the complexity arises from accurate representation of real world physical forces. arcade games won't model wind, sim games will.

so yes, in a word, more complex means more realistic.

and i laugh at the guy who said the commanche series and gunship! were sims. they are simply arcade helicopter games, nothing more. dcs black shark is a true sim.