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#3295421 - 05/15/11 10:27 AM FINAL CHAPTER - Luftwaffe AND RAF campaign walkthroughs - RAF mission #17 - A Farewell to Arms ***  
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Spoiler alert: if you haven't played the stock campaigns yet, these AARs may give away the mission designs...

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COMBAT REPORT

Name: Oberlt Hein Kill
Date: July 10 1940
Flight, squadron: Bf109, I/JG51, St Inglevert
Number of enemy aircraft: 0
Type of enemy aircraft: 0
Time attack was delivered: 0
Place attack was delivered: 0
Height of enemy: 0
Enemy casualties: 0K
Our casualties: 0
General report:

We took off from St Inglevert in glorious sunshine, windmills to seaward turning gently in the breeze. Our mission was to rendezvous with a Do215 from Aufklarungsgruppe 122 hunting for shipping, and protect it from the Tommies. We felt supremely confident as the staffel sailed over the coast and made for the rendezvous point, but it soon went wrong. We did not sight the Dornier. When we reached the rendezvous we heard a cry for help far to our East at map reference 013, but my commander did not react so I could not break formation. He maintained course and we continued our patrol without sighting the enemy and landed at St Inglevert to find that the Dornier had damaged two Spitfires, but had been shot down himself. A most unsatisfactory result. There was much grumbling into the schnapps this evening - why did the Dornier not wait at the rendezvous, was he early, or were we late? Why did our commander not respond to the clear cry for help - we could have reached the fight within five minutes at full power but he ignored it. We will see what tomorrow brings, but let us hope it is not a repeat of today.

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#3295592 - 05/15/11 04:15 PM Re: Luftwaffe campaign AARs [Re: HeinKill]  
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And why, oh why, would a recco aircraft be involved a in shipping bombing ?


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No, it was a recce sortie, maybe my choice of words - it was hunting for shipping, but not to bomb, to locate and report. Unfortunately the mission was designed with the wrong timing so that the Dornier was nowhere near the rendezvous point when we neared it. Then it gave a call for help (actually impossible because there were no bomber to fighter comms in the Luftwaffe in July 1940) but the AI commander ignored that and we dutifully visited all the waypoints without meeting the enemy, and landed. Bit of a fizzer.

As has already been noted, the after mission text bears no relation to the actual mission flown. It prattled on about how unlucky we were to meet the RAF right at that particular point in time and space - I wish we had!


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That mission is not historically accurate. The Do had an existing escort. There was no rendezvous in the middle of its recon mission. References here:

http://www.raf.mod.uk/bob1940/july10.html
http://www.battleofbritain1940.net/0021.html


Especially this:

"But at about 1030hrs (10.30am): Weather was still inclement, wet and miserable with shallow visibility, a Dornier on a recon flight and with an escort of about 20+ Bf109s was picked up on both Dover CH and Foreness CHL radar stations."

Radar confirmed the Do had an existing escort at 1030 hrs, 20 planes no less.

If you want an accurate portrayal of the engagement, one would need to edit the mission substantially, which I did do for myself.

Also there are indications that the Do actually survived the engagement, so one would need to set up reasonable conditions to allow the Do the chance to survive.


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#3295729 - 05/15/11 08:53 PM Re: Luftwaffe campaign AARs [Re: HeinKill]  
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I'm not so fussed about the historical accuracy...I gave up that hope when I saw Beaufighters in night fighter livery (entry into battle Oct 1940) attacking Stukas (withdrawal from battle August) in broad daylight in the game trailer. Now, on to the next mission! We have an invasion to prepare you know!


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I've found that most of the campaign missions seem to have very tight timing, and if you spend any more than the barest minimum possible time getting started, it gets blown at the start. I have taken to letting the AI autopilot do take offs and get me to rendezvous points if I want anything to happen when it is supposed to... Also I wish the AI would conserve their ammo a little better or at least stick around after winchester.. every engagement is like 1 minute long then everyone is headed for home except me and I either have to hear "Get back in formation" constantly or go home having seen no action.


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#3295946 - 05/16/11 02:06 AM Re: Luftwaffe campaign AARs [Re: HeinKill]  
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Originally Posted By: HeinKill
I'm not so fussed about the historical accuracy...I gave up that hope when I saw Beaufighters in night fighter livery (entry into battle Oct 1940) attacking Stukas (withdrawal from battle August) in broad daylight in the game trailer. Now, on to the next mission! We have an invasion to prepare you know!



Hmm, perhaps you will be concerned when you going on a bombing run into your 109 and there are no bombs in your loadout and no way to add them except by editing the mission manually in the FMB to allow for it.

In general the German missions are a mess last time I checked. Most of them do not even have victory conditions defined so there is no way to win them.


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#3296526 - 05/16/11 07:40 PM Re: Luftwaffe campaign AARs [Re: HeinKill]  
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COMBAT REPORT

Name: Hpt Hein Kill
Date: July 10 1940 1300 hrs
Flight, squadron: Bf109, I/JG51, St Inglevert
Number of enemy aircraft: 4
Type of enemy aircraft: Spitfire, possibly 74 Sq
Time attack was delivered: 1330
Place attack was delivered: SW Folkestone
Height of enemy: 1000
Enemy casualties: 2
Our casualties: 1
General report:

The Dornier had apparently managed to radio the position of a convoy before going down, so we were back in the air after lunch escorting bombers from KG2 to the target. We were riding top cover while Bf110s from ZG26 provided close escort for the Dorniers. This time I was flight leader, so as soon as we were formed up we headed for the rendezvous point. I had a devil of a time trimming my kite for level flight though - have to kick some Obergefreiter rückseite for that. Drifted a little off course as I was obsessing with the trim wheel and just about flew straight into a flight of 4 Spitfires! We had a height advantage and I called the attack immediately. We hit them from behind and one went spinning down in flames almost immediately. I latched onto another Spit as it panicked and pulled up into a zoom trying to get some height. I fired too hastily though and missed a perfect opportunity as it hung at the top of a stall. We fell into a turning fight and I kept my Emil behind him, but he was a devil in the turn...I have to remember that. Better not try to knife fight with these Spitfires. Luckily my katschmarek dropped in and fired a shot across his bows which made him break right into my sights. I gave him a long burst and he started streaming glycol. I scanned the sky and saw I had lost a lot of altitude. The fight was high above me and away to my West now, and I saw another machine go down in flames (I learned later it was one of ours). I began a long slow climb back up to altitude but by the time I closed, the fight was over. The remaining Spits had broken for home and we were alone. I called my flight to form up, but they didn't respond. A problem with the radio? Another kicking for the Obergefreiter. I wasn't game to proceed to the rendezvous alone, and down on ammunition, so I turned for France and landed back at St Inglevert to raucous scenes at the mess, the loss of our kamarade the only thing dimming the gloss on my first kill of the Battle.

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COMBAT REPORT

Name: Hpt Hein Kill
Date: August 12 1940 0830 hrs
Flight, squadron: Bf109E, Calais Marck
Number of enemy aircraft: 6
Type of enemy aircraft: Hurricane
Time attack was delivered: 0920
Place attack was delivered: NE Dover
Height of enemy: 500
Enemy casualties: 2
Our casualties: 0
General report:

After a month (!) retraining with Erpro 210 I was finally assigned for a mission against Dover radar in advance of the main attack which must be coming soon. I was assigned to fly 109s escorting the Zerstorer pinpoint dive bombers. The low level flight across the ditch was uneventful except that my canopy came unlatched and was banging in the slipstream during the whole mission! Damned ground crew! And we turned in on Dover with no sign of the enemy. I hoped to see the Zerstorers ply their trade and level the radio masts, but they seemed to be taunting the AAA crews and made a couple of flybys first. Then a call came over the radio of enemy aircraft sighted NE of Dover, near Canterbury and I turned the flight to intercept. Another flight was already engaged when we arrived and we joined battle. I got a squirt on one Hurricane before a colleague finished it off, then chased another Hurricane out to sea. One of his mates tried to blow me off his tail and stitched a nice line of holes across my port wing, but he soon had other troubles and broke off. I resumed the chase. The Hurricane was still heading out to sea, and when I caught him up, was bobbing and weaving, but I got a couple of deflection shots which chewed up his tail. A puff of smoke brewed briefly from under his cowling and he jumped.

Then the damndest thing happened. Rather than spiral in, his machine started a long gentle perfectly trimmed left hand bank and kept cruising through the sky. I pulled up alongside it to make sure there wasn't another pilot crouched behind the stick, but the cockpit was empty. I followed him for a good five minutes and he lost neither speed nor altitude.



After a while I decided my fuel was low enough, my wing looked a little too perforated for comfort, and so I broke off and headed home. When last I saw it, the Hurricane was still circling lazily.



Can I claim it as a kill? As far as I know, it is still out there, circling, circling...


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#3297667 - 05/18/11 11:12 AM Re: Luftwaffe campaign AARs [Re: Foucault]  
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Originally Posted By: Foucault
Hmm, perhaps you will be concerned when you going on a bombing run into your 109 and there are no bombs in your loadout and no way to add them except by editing the mission manually in the FMB to allow for it.


Perhaps I take more of the glass half full approach. So the mission briefing implied I would be flying a Jabo loaded for bear - but I ended up flying escort on Rubensdorffer's Bf110s. It was a still a good mission.

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In general the German missions are a mess last time I checked. Most of them do not even have victory conditions defined so there is no way to win them.


Personally I prefer open ended missions, rather than missions with pre determined victory conditions a la Wings of Prey/Rise of Flight. You don't need to 'win' the Luftwaffe missions in order to progress to the next mission. They are more true to life. Nothing frustrates me more than a mission designer who deems that a mission is a failure because only 6/12 Heinkels were shot down, or you shot down aircraft from the wrong staffel, or they were not shot down before reaching the target. In the absence of a truly dynamic campaign where my success or failure influences the greater war, just let me fly the mission, see what happens, and decide for myself whether it was successful. The August 12 mission was a good example of that, no complaints from me.


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Quote:
Personally I prefer open ended missions, rather than missions with pre determined victory conditions a la Wings of Prey/Rise of Flight. You don't need to 'win' the Luftwaffe missions in order to progress to the next mission. They are more true to life. Nothing frustrates me more than a mission designer who deems that a mission is a failure because only 6/12 Heinkels were shot down, or you shot down aircraft from the wrong staffel, or they were not shot down before reaching the target. In the absence of a truly dynamic campaign where my success or failure influences the greater war, just let me fly the mission, see what happens, and decide for myself whether it was successful. The August 12 mission was a good example of that, no complaints from me.


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Agreed. [/quote]

+1 and +1

Keep them coming ...

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Agreed.


+1 and +1

Keep them coming ...

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Good read. Hope to see more. That "ghost" Hurricane was eerie!


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Definatley a good read

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COMBAT REPORT

Name: Hpt Hein Kill
Date: August 13 1940, Adlerangriff
Flight, squadron: Bf109, I/JG53, Rennes
Number of enemy aircraft: 18
Type of enemy aircraft: Hurricanes, Spitfires
Place attack was delivered: NW Tangmere
Height of enemy: 1000
Enemy casualties: 2
Our casualties: 1
General report:

We were tasked with a fighter sweep to clear the way for the Stukas and passed West of the Isle of Wight, crossing the coast without incident. It seemed the Tommies were not going to take the bait today. Then as we reached our first waypoint we sighted a flight of six Hurricanes at 3 oclock low. We had height and we had speed, as they were trying to climb up to meet us. I turned into them and put my nose down, but forgot to chop the throttle back and my Emil dropped like a rocket powered brick. I came up behind one of the Hurricanes in seconds and even as I opened fire I was thinking 'COLLISION!' and hauled on the stick - his tail section filled my entire windscreen before I flashed over the top of him.



Have to admit it scared the waisenferkel out of me and I climbed immediately for height and took a deep breath.

I watched as our Emils began to tango with the slower Hurricanes, which dragged them down to treetop height and twisted and turned like leaves in the wind trying to evade our faster and deadlier machines. Two Hurricanes fell quickly and I dropped down onto the shoulder of one of my kamaraden and covered him as his cannon chewed away at a hapless Tommies tailplane.

Then I saw an unwelcome sight. Spitfuer! 2 oclock and high. It was us who were down on the deck now, low and slow from our turning fights with the Hurricanes. The Spitfires dropped on us like avenging arrows. I dodged a stream of tracer and pushed my throttle forward. This was no time for heroism. I had used more than ten minutes over England, survived one near miss already, and had few options against an enemy with a huge energy advantage. I turned for the Channel, looking over my shoulder all the way. The Spitfires seemed more intent on saving their still threatened Hurricane brethren than chasing me home, so I was able to pull away and escape.

Nothing to show for this mission, but my own skin.


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Name: Hpt Hein Kill
Date: August 22 1940, Adlerangriff
Flight, squadron: Bf109, Erpro 210, Calais Marck
Number of enemy aircraft: 24
Type of enemy aircraft: Hurricanes, Spitfires
Place attack was delivered: Manston
Height of enemy: 1000
Enemy casualties: 2 air, 5 ground
Our casualties: 3
General report:

Somehow I had survived the last week of escort duty, either shepherding the dangerously slow Stukas across the ditch, or riding shotgun on the Erpro 210 Zerstorers in their airfield attacks, but at last we were set free. Our mission today was a strafing attack on Manston. The brief was simple - a pass or two to provoke the Englander to respond, then swat them out of the sky.

As we blasted in over the wavetops south of Manston I was secretly hoping to catch a squadron of fighters on the airfield and chew them up before they could even get airborne, but as we approached I could see only medium bombers and a lone Tiger Moth parked in front of the hangars. A couple of puny flak bursts showed the Tommies were awake, but it was too late. We spread into line abreast formation and sewed destruction across the airfield. I didn't see any hits on my first pass but I pulled up into a stall turn and returned for a second pass, this time stitching my cannon shells along the line of Blenheims and setting one on fire.



Suddenly I felt a mighty bang and my machine was thrown onto its port wing. I glanced fearfully over my shoulder looking for the enemy fighter that must have jumped me, but all I saw was the ugly, oily cloud of a flak burst. I managed to get the machine level again, but dammit, the lucky shot had put a hole in my wing root and it required full right stick to keep my machine level.



I managed to turn on a heading to Calais again, when I heard the cry I'd been dreading to hear..."Achtung, Spitfuer!!"

At least one, probably two squadrons of fighters - Hurricanes low, Spitfires high - were hurrying down from the north, stirred up by our attack on Manston. It was the response we had wanted, but now I personally had other troubles.

I dropped back down to the Channel and wished I had dark blue camouflage so that I could hide among the wavetops. Once again my luck held, and I was not pursued, though it pained me to be leaving the fight, listening to the calls and cries of my kamaraden as they battled it out.

As I neared Calais I began a slow turning approach and dropped my gear. Immediately the machine rolled left and I hastily pulled the gear up again while fighting it level. Flying straight and level, with a bit more height, now I tried the gear lever again, and again the machine rolled violently left, so I raised it immediately.

So there were two options...a belly landing on the grass at Marck Calais fighting the damage all the way in, or...

I chose the easier option. Gaining a few hundred feet I pointed my stricken machine at the sea and a few hundred feet from the coast, over some farmland, I opened the canopy, undid my harness, let my Emil roll onto its back and fell out into space. As my parachute drifted down I watched the Emil corkscrew into the beach just short of the surf.

After hiking back to the mess I heard we had lost 3 pilots today and claimed only two RAF kills in the air, not counting my Blenheim and the other ground targets destroyed. This was not a good day for me, or Erpro 210.



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I think the Lufwaffe campaign is better than the RAF campaign because at least it is semi historical and doesn't have that crappola character development spit girl element which is like just a joke. However it is a far cry from campaigns which users have put together for IL2 like SpitnFire, Hurricane Season, White Rose, Battle over Britain et etc It is insane that with all the time it took to bring this product to market, the designers didn't put a few days into designing a decent campaign. But the mission builder is great so it will just be a matter of time before the user community delivers again, just like they did for IL2.

PS and nice reports too pls keep it up, I gave up after the first couple of Luftwaffe missions because the mission briefings didn't reflect in any way what happened in my mission, but I gather that doesn't bother you, so maybe I should just let it go and play the missions as individual missions rather than a joined up campaign.

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PS and nice reports too pls keep it up, I gave up after the first couple of Luftwaffe missions


I think the missions in themselves are ok, if you just ignore the mission briefings! Of course it shouldn't be like that...but they are still individually enjoyable, if that makes sense. Let's face it the offline campaign was always going to be a poor afterthought for this sim...online is where IL2 bread and butter lies. Pity they farked that up as well!


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