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#3291793 - 05/10/11 05:26 PM Wilcopub harrier: save your money
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Somethings wrong with the Vtol model. Sure, it does take off vertically (super flaps these aren't), but its then VERY VERY easy to hover. Basically, the aircraft doesn't seem to carry any weight through maneuvers. It just "snaps" on any axis. Another way to put it: You don't have to anticipate the aircraft movements at all. Things do normal out once your in horizontal flight, but then what's the point? Speaking of, the transition from VTO to flight isn't very smooth either. You can definitely feel when the flight model switches. Trust me, something is very broken about the flight model (and yes, I checked, and my realism settings were cranked all the way up).

I bought this one thinking maybe they pulled a VRS-Superbug, and did something with FSX that no one thought was possible. Nope.

Frankly, I'd take the launch announcement off the main page. Save it for someone who actually earned the free advertising.


Edited by aggressorblue (05/10/11 05:31 PM)
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#3291876 - 05/10/11 07:55 PM Re: Wilcopub harrier: save your money [Re: AggressorBLUE]
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ouch, well you just saved me some money.....
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#3291890 - 05/10/11 08:12 PM Re: Wilcopub harrier: save your money [Re: AggressorBLUE]
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Spend your money if you want an FSX Harrier, lol. I flew this around 7 hours yesterday - it was that much fun. It's got a few bugs - and maybe the FDE is a little easy... maybe not - I'm not a Harrier pilot. It's probably very stable in the hover due to the location of the gas thrusters at the corners of the airplane... just a guess. Remember, this thing had to be Marine proof, and most operational accidents were probably due to sensitivity to flameout, FOD out, and gross mishandling at low altitude (grabbing the wrong level etc), not failure at attempting to balance an unstable airplane.

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#3292003 - 05/11/11 12:15 AM Re: Wilcopub harrier: save your money [Re: Panelboy]
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Originally Posted By: Panelboy
Spend your money if you want an FSX Harrier, lol. I flew this around 7 hours yesterday - it was that much fun. It's got a few bugs - and maybe the FDE is a little easy... maybe not - I'm not a Harrier pilot. It's probably very stable in the hover due to the location of the gas thrusters at the corners of the airplane... just a guess. Remember, this thing had to be Marine proof, and most operational accidents were probably due to sensitivity to flameout, FOD out, and gross mishandling at low altitude (grabbing the wrong level etc), not failure at attempting to balance an unstable airplane.


I've heard Harrier pilots say it's incredibly difficult to hover, like "balancing on top of a geyser." Backing this up, the Jet Thunder devs have been warning us for a while to get ready for a steep learning curve with the harrier. I was hoping this would give me a bit of a leg up once JT ships.

I'll admit I was a bit overly harsh above, but given Wilcopubs claims of a "highly advanced and difficult to fly flight model", I felt it best to warn people. In retrospect, it gets maybe 2.5 out of 5 start IMO. It earns those stars by being an otherwise well modeled rendition of the Harrier, with a nice cockpit. It also fly's great when it's in horizontal flight (but as I said in my first post, that's not it's main selling point).


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#3292005 - 05/11/11 12:28 AM Re: Wilcopub harrier: save your money [Re: AggressorBLUE]
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Sorry panelboy, but generally Harrier pilots were creamed off the top of candidates rather than the plane being 'Marine-proof'!
The wingtip and tail jets are just 'puffers' for steering and balance, with all the thrust coming out of the body jets.
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#3292029 - 05/11/11 02:24 AM Re: Wilcopub harrier: save your money [Re: Keithb77]
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Wilcopub stuff is normally reasonably good quality.
That`s the thing, once you try something good, its hard going back to stuff that would normally be
acceptable.

For example, after trying out some A2A accusim products its hard to enjoy anything else.

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#3292226 - 05/11/11 08:39 AM Re: Wilcopub harrier: save your money [Re: AggressorBLUE]
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I looked at the vid, and the transit to forward flight did not look a whole lot like I expected. We need a Jet Thunder release date...

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#3292229 - 05/11/11 08:41 AM Re: Wilcopub harrier: save your money [Re: AggressorBLUE]
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#3292643 - 05/11/11 03:30 PM Re: Wilcopub harrier: save your money [Re: Keithb77]
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Just a little inter-service ribbing there, lol. Does anyone know what the 10a version is? What 'fixes' or feature changes were involved?

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#3292697 - 05/11/11 05:07 PM Re: Wilcopub harrier: save your money [Re: Panelboy]
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Originally Posted By: Panelboy
Just a little inter-service ribbing there, lol. Does anyone know what the 10a version is? What 'fixes' or feature changes were involved?


10a is what I installed, so if it did fix something, it wasn't enough.

As a side note, I was shocked the DL was less than 50mb. It's a pretty detailed model/cockpit for that size.

Dave, I'd agree with the "it is what it is" mentality if it were freeware. But given their boastful marketing, I'd say it is what it isn't.


Edited by aggressorblue (05/11/11 05:08 PM)
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