Suzuka Results

Autosim Analyzer
http://simhq.net/downloads/motorsports/r...ults/index.html

Replays and XML Results
http://simhq.net/downloads/motorsports/rfactor/SimHQ_2011_F1_1991_LE_Suzuka/Suzuka_Results.zip

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Screenshots

http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/3258453.html

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This is the followup race to the event held a Adelaide a few months back.
There is one download. Everything you'll need including the track is included.

Driver Alert 1 (added 04-02-11)

Please make sure your radiator setting is at least 3 to avoid smoking in the race.
Any car that has sustained smoking during the race may get a 1 lap black flag penalty.
For qualifying, settings for the radiator are open (IOWs, the radiator can be below 3).

General Information

Date: Sunday, 3 April, 12 PM eastern time
Race Length: 53 laps (100%)
Sim: rFactor 1.255
Mod: F1 1991 LE v2.10 - included with fuel fix (Thanks Ahmad!)
Track: Suzuka v3 (included)
Layout: "Japanese Grand Prix - 2005"
Open Setups
Full Free Settings Available
Fuel Setting: 1x
Tire Wear Setting: 1x
Driving Aids: Clutch
Damage Multiplier: 100%
Mechanical Failure: Off
Time Compression: None
Unique Vehicle Check: On
Flag Rules: Black only; blue flags display but no penalties
Open qualifying (all cars on track) 15 minutes
Start type: formation lap > standing start (edited 3-25-11)
Drivers do not need to come to a complete stop to ESC
Spectators allowed, but no in game chat available
Drivers can advance the server to the next session during practice
All 3 virtual mirrors available and highly recommended
No Parc Ferme

Custom Settings

Be sure and set your Mechanical Failure setting to OFF.
Menu Location: Customize > Settings > Rules

Be sure and set your .PLR file to Relative Fuel Strategy="1" with Notepad.
File Location: \rFactor\UserData\<your profile>\...

Reference

Thread from the Adelaide race.
http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/3159795/1.html

Server

Name: SimHQ Motorsports 2
Password: 91F1
Set your up/down speed to 256 kbps
Server no available for practice

Comms

Teamspeak 3 monitoring mandatory

Download

Yes, it's huge.
http://simhq.net/downloads/motorsports/rfactor/SimHQ_2011_F1_1991_LE_Suzuka/F11991LE.zip

Practice Races

Saturday, 26 March - 12 PM EDT
Wednesday, 30th March - 9 PM EDT
Saturday, 2 April - 12 PM EDT

Driver Signup Available Now!

Your SimHQ Nickname / Car Number / Description

SteveGee / 2 / McLaren

Stewart_Forgie / 3 / Tyrrell

Coutie / 5 / Williams

Anthony Petakas / 7 / Brabham

Birdski / 9 / Footwork

Nick Newcombe / 11 / Lotus

Darren_Blythe / 14 / Fondmetal

Pumbaa666 / 21 / Dallara

purolator / 23 / Minardi
Caana / 24 / Minardi

Dave Bradley / 25 / Ligier
Earl Setser / 26 / Ligier

Ahmad / 27 / Ferrari
Papa_K / 28 / Ferrari

Coutie / 5 / Williams

Stewart Forgie / 3 / Tyrrell

Pumbaa666 / 21 / Dallara

Ahmad / 27 / Ferrari

Darren Blythe / 14 / Fondmetal

MojoFlow / 10 / Footwork

i hope you'll welcome a newbie to your leagues, ive had experience in other online leagues, but this will be my return to online racing in quite a while, i hope im allowed to enter i should be good for this!

mr_hill /14/ Fondmetal

Great to have you here Mr_Hill. You are more than welcome - providing I can have my car back

Lets give this a try again.

Rob Bakker / 12 / Lotus

I would remind all the UK racers that the 3rd is mothers day in the UK. Yes it's a corporation enhanced false "holiday" to sell more gifts but i suspect i will be strung up if i commit to this...

Papa_K / 28 / Ferrari

Some links
http://grandprixarchives.wordpress.com/2...qualifying-lap/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_Japanese_Grand_Prix

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4527242374153371131#

Hi mr_hill,

Please select a different car, that one has already been taken. I added your name to the entry list and will amend once you update the car.

Welcome aboard!

Dave Bradley/25/Ligier

DOH how on earth did i miss that LOL id looked at the list aswell, well i had a good joy ride but i guess you can have it back :P

lets go with 18/AGS

Welcome, Mr. Hill

Fondmetal, AGS...you like underdog teams, don't you?

Do I have to turn right?

Downloading the package and will test it out. I'm tentative for now.

Left, right and basically 180° at one spot. The full package.

Birdski / 9 / Footwork-Ford

Here's a video of a lap at Suzuka. It's probably useful to watch this specific driver (one of the greatest ever) very closely, especially how he handles the chicane. I am not certain if the Suzuka 2005 track we will use contains the same chicane, but to me it looks identical.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4527242374153371131#docid=7800456046369797859

oh yes, huge minardi fan, miss them greatly always one for the underdogs

Joe Keefe / #20 / Benetton-Ford

Not really sure I'll be able to make this one, but it's possible for now. Should know more soon.

Anthony Petakas / 7 / Brabham

Earl Setser / 26 / Ligier

Caana / 24 / Minardi

"If you get flickering on the track textures then open up your vehicles .cam file (for me it's 'fondmetal.cam') and look for the section LocalCam=COCKPIT then alter the clip plane to read 'ClipPlanes=(0.175000,500.000000)' it should eliminate it almost entirely. It's only a cam edit so it won't cause a missmatch and should be a fix for those with problems."

Thanks for the tip Darren.

"Damage Multiplier: 100%"

Yikes, this will make for a very short race for an unlucky few for sure. Is this up for debate perhaps? I really don't mind elevated damage but could surely appreciate something a bit lower just to keep attrition levels reasonable, perhaps 50 or 75?

Yup, it'll be tough. You only have to sneeze and the wheels fall off!

Lotus #11 hoping to get back on the track with SimHQ, been real hectic schedule in 2011

These things don't have an onboard starter, right? I stalled it a few times after a spin and it didn't restart.

is the server currently up for practice? ive found it in the list says 6 people are currently in there i type in the password and it says session closed or once i got join timed out :S

We were racin fools. Had we known you were trying we would've of course got you in. Might I suggest joining the TS channel to get real time status, etc.

I've had that with other mods, it usually happens when i've disabled auto-clutch

Normally I have auto clutch off, but will turn it on in this mod. At the moment I'm spinning about once every two laps, so it is nice if the engine doesn't stall.

hey rob, im in the same boat struggling to get asetup that works, ive either got bags of understeer or not enough downforce/mech grip and am spinning lol finding it hard to find a sweet spot

I really don't want to, but if the entrants who show-up for the race on the 3rd want to reduce it, it's their race, and I'll yield.

Two cents as a non-driver. Keeping it 100% lets SimHQ provide an authentic race and forces every driver to drive differently that they are accustomed to driving in our events. IOWs, a new challenge. Everyone is *more* equal at 100% driving slower, more carefully, and taking less chances, and that will make for more realism.

Thanks purolator for the update.

Is anyone having problems getting 5th gear to redline? No matter how much I shorten gears it always take's a very long time compared to the other gears.

I just noticed that too Coutie. I end up shifting earlier to 6th - it seems to accelerate better than waiting for 5th to top out.

Nothing too dramatic, but for sim-racing and in general, I'm not a fan of that final chicane.

Yeah I get the 5th gear problem as well... But I think I'm getting the balance right...


Another DB and I have noticed is that you don't get serviced in the pits if you get damage on the way into the pits no matter how slight, they won't even change your tyres... Also the pit request function is basically useless as it will unrequest after 5-10 seconds... DB is trying to think of a solution but it means you have to be really careful entering the pits so you'l get serviced.... It also means 8-10 second stops for tyres...

Yup, there seems to be a specific set of damage related conditions that will cause your car not to be serviced. I'm still doing some tests but it seems if the total cumulative damage is beyond a certain threshold then the crew won't do anything, including change tyres. In fact it doesn't even register you made a stop.

The condition still exists using other mods so it's track specific, and it's definately damage related because i lowed the damage ratio to 5% and they serviced the car without fail.

In yesterdays practice race I ripped a wheel of, the front wing was damaged too. Nonetheless the entire stop only lasted 10 seconds.

Do they fix suspension purolator?

What time in-game will the race start?

12 PM

so if i damage my car durin the race, say spin off and rip the front wing off the crew wont repair me? i can see that happening a few times for me :P

It's hard to say - Purolator had them reattach a wheel. On the other hand i've had fairly innocuous scrapes and they wouldn't touch the car, even to change tyres. Currently there seems to be no obvious logic. You just need to run a few tests and see what happens.

I'd say yes. Granted, the damage display stayed yellow, where suspension parts got damaged, but the car behaved within normal parameters when I was on the track afterwards.

I'd say yes. Granted, the damage display stayed yellow, where suspension parts got damaged, but the car behaved within normal parameters when I was on the track afterwards. [/quote]



Maybe it helps if you stop taking a leak in the car (like Johnny Herbert...) and do that before the race?

Seriously, so far I avoided any further damage when entering the pits. I'd say that is the best way to avoid trouble, apart from avoiding any damage at all, that is. At my pitstop I overshot, put in the rear gear and stopped at the pit, they guys started working at once.

Damn, I want to have the car cleaned and a new seat fitted before I use it again.

I ran a few more tests and i think it's somehow related to the severity of suspension damage. If you remove a wheel (or other body part) without damaging the suspension too badly they will fix it. Otherwise they just expect you to retire. The front seems particulary susceptible.

Lesson to be leraned: if you are going to crash, make sure you do it backwards!

That's an interesting observation. I need to run the replay to be 100% sure, but I think I really cleanly "shaved" off the wheel. The suspension definitely wasn't indicated in red then.

another question lol 12pm Eastern time, whats that in england, we are on BST now arent we? im not sure how to work it out

It's 5pm UK time.

thank you both for taking the time to help meout on that that link could come in very handy for me aswell, many thanks !

Is the McLaren's not available in this version? I don't see them listed in the entry list. If they are available, I'd like the #2 McLaren. If not, let me know and I'll pick another car.

Edit - Scratch that...I'd like the remaining Williams if no one else has taken it. If it's taken, then the #2 McLaren.

Steve, every car from 1991 is within the mod, they just all have the same specs, as the league edition is used. Both #6 Williams and #2 McLaren are still available.

Thanks, purolator....wasn't sure as I didn't see them listed. I'd like the #6 Williams then.

Edit - got a question. Since this is the League Edition, does all the cars have the Williams and Ferrari style gearboxes? If so, I'd like the #2 McLaren....if not, the #6 Williams. Sorry to be a pain.

Sorry, not following Steve. How so?

In the Historical Mod version that I have....only the Ferrari and Williams have automatic greaboxes. The other cars have manual transmissions. As I haven't really ran the LE version any yet, I didn't know if the McLaren in this mod has the manual gearbox or the same as the Ferrari/Williams does.

If the McLaren has the auto tranny in this version, I'd like it...if not, I'd like the Williams.

You can choose the gearbox I think. Do you mean auto blip or do you mean full on automatic where you don't have to shift?

The "blip".....in the Historical version, you have to let off the throttle in everything but the Ferrari and Williams to shift or you will damage your engine. In 1991, the Ferrari and Williams both had semi-automatic/automatic/whatever they were called gearboxes....the rest of the field still had manual shift transmissions.

I'm guessing it's the sequential vs a manual shift without the throttle blip. Any penalty for it? I'd have to look. All cars are the same in the LE version.

From those who've used this mod before, are there any "gotcha's"? I'd guess there's an engine failure/lifetime-due-to-rpm situation, that's avoided by the "no mechanical failures" setting.

From 1991_LE_engine.ini:

RevLimitRange=(13800.0, 0.0, 0)

LifetimeEngineRPM=(11551.4, 346.4) [The way I read it, that means: 11897.8 rpm cuts life in 1/2 for the time over that rpm, 12244.2 rpm cuts life to 1/4, 12590.6 cuts life to 1/8, 12937 cuts life to 1/16, 13283.4 cuts time to 1/32, 13629.8 cuts time to 1/64, finally getting to rev limit and 13976.2 cuts time to 1/132 - again, that penalty is only for the time over that rpm. Lesson learned would be SHORT SHIFT compared to redline.]

LifetimeAvg=8000 (= 2 hrs, 13.3 min)

LifetimeVar=3000 (That's 50 minutes of engine lifetime variation. Eng Lifetime range minimum: 1 hr, 23.3 min, without any penalty for rpm.)
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Bottom line: Engine life may have been set low to replicate failure rates, and it would take some MoTeC testing to see the true engine lifetime situation. The potential problem would apply to regularly running near redline rpm.

Is that why the "No Mechanical Failures" setting? Is there a downside to that setting?

I think all the cars have the Upgrade of a semi-automatic gearbox.....it shows it in the McLaren as an option and lists the manual gearbox as the original style. Seems like I remember reading the car performance was based on the Williams for the LE version, so all cars should have it.

Put me down for the #2 McLaren and if it turns out it doesn't have it, I'll drive it anyway as it's the one I've always drove in the Historical version.

According to rFDynHUD, my engine would blow after only a few laps. Since they don't let you configure RPM in the garage, no mech failures is the only sensible way to go. No downsides.

@Steve: All cars are identical. That means, every car can also use the Ferrari or Williams gearboxes without penalty. It really doesn't matter if you use a McLaren, Williams, Tyrrell, Jordan, Coloni or any other car.

If you don't want the Williams gearbox, just check the upgrade section and choose a different setting there.


@Ahmad: I am not certain yet, if rfdynhud shows that correctly or not. If it does, I fully agree with you, otherwise all cars will end up with blown engines within the 53 laps.

Question, because I was just wondering.....any certain reason we're running at a 2005 version of Suzuka, as opposed to say the FISR '92 version or the '9o version that's out there?

Just curious.

Joe Keefe / #20 / Benetton-Ford
Nevermind, I won't be able to make it.

This is a pure guess as I don't know for sure, but i suspect it's because this is a GP4 conversion so we don't need permission to use it.

The longest I've made it last with either of the gearbox options is 18 laps... lucky that they are off otherwise the person who stuck it in 6th gear would be touring around picking up the win...

Guess I'm not pushing it hard enough.....I've ran 50 laps with it On and haven't had a mechanical failure. Guess that's why I'm so slow....

On engine life, one alternative would be an edit of 1991_LE_engine.ini:
...
FuelConsumption=3.510e-005
FuelEstimate=1.080
EngineInertia=0.076
IdleThrottle=0.5
IdleRPMLogic=(3000.0, 3300.0)
LaunchEfficiency=0.0
LaunchRPMLogic=(7500.0, 8200.0) // holds RPM in this range before launch (used for AI even if launch control is N/A!)
RevLimitRange=(13800.0, 0.0, 0)
RevLimitSetting=0
RevLimitLogic=100.0
RevLimitAvailable=0
EngineMapRange=(0, 0, 0)
EngineMapSetting=0
EngineBrakingMapRange=(0.0, 0.00014, 6)
EngineBrakingMapSetting=4
OptimumOilTemp=107.3
CombustionHeat=30.0
EngineSpeedHeat=7.010e-004
OilMinimumCooling=9.108e-004
OilWaterHeatTransfer=(5.289e-003,8.931e-005)
WaterMinimumCooling=3.704e-003
RadiatorCooling=(2.577e-004, 1.005e-004)
LifetimeEngineRPM=(13600.0,346.4) //default was 11551.4


The No Mechanincal Failures setting will work and is easy, but a file edit, changing LifetimeEngneRPM to a higher number, e.g. 13600, would also work.

File editing would avoid extended use of artificially low duct settings, and keeps some penalty for abuse of the engine and brakes.
(I'm guessing 13,600 RPM would be good enough. RevLimit is set at 13,800. Looking at other mods, the difference beteen RevLimit and LiftimeEngineRPM seems to nomally be just a few hundred RPM.)

Just presenting an alternative. It's good as is.
//After posting this, if we did use a file edit, I'd be guaranteed an engine or brake failure.

I think it's too late for that, good idea for next time though.

On a different note, I'm not sure about the wing settings for this one. The F1 descriptions of Suzuka say it's a medium-to-high downforce track, which makes sense.

For qualifying, a higher downforce setting seems to work. Best lap so far is with 20/18 (f/r) wings, and adding in 1/1 duct settings thanks to the No Mechanical Failure setting.

For the race, I'd guess that lower wing settings may pay off, if I can keep it on track, allowing straight-line speed in the only passing zones available. I haven't had time to try to figure that one out yet. Not sure on fuel flow yet either.
(The No Refueling rule, then and now, takes out more than it adds IMO.)

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NOTE on the Engine Failure post: Does "No Mechanical Failures" still allow for decreased engine and braking power with over-temps, etc.? Should everyone enter 1/1 Duct-Ville?

The lower ducts work for about 3-4 laps, then the car starts fumigating the track, trailing smoke and the engine shows up yellow on the Status board. Doesn't seem to lose any power, but I really hope I don't get behind someone trailing that smoke....you can't see a thing when it happens, closing on them. Doesn't seem to affect the car, but everyone will defintely know you're running that low ducting.

Yep I don't think it should be allowed to trail smoke, you should use a safe enough setting for that not to happen.

If you pit, the smoke's "fixed"....at least for 3-4 laps, then it starts again and it's not something you can change in the pit instructions menu once it's set. Would be nice if there's some sort of rule concerning that, in case it does happen.

The downside to a No Mechanical Failure setting? (I'd never used that rFactor setting option)... In almost perfect opposition to the 100% damage sim-mode:
Smokin'... and Dead by contact.

Just a little FYI about the 1991 F1 race at Suzuka, round 15 of 16.

The pole was set by Gerhard Berger, with a 1:34.700, Senna beside him with a 1:34.898. The top 20 qualifiers all broke the 1:40 mark. Best lap during the race was Senna's 1:41.532 on Lap 39. Total race time was 1 hour, 32 minutes, 10.695 seconds. The slowest qualifying time was 1:40.402, by Alex Caffi in a Footwork. 4 people didn't qualify and 2 weren't able to pre-qualify.

Looking at my times, I wouldn't have qualified, but I could have pre-qualified....

Edit - 15 of the 26 drivers failed to finish the race....3 to a big collision, 1 wrecked by himself and 2 spun. The rest had mechanical problems.....

I'd seen that qualifying time. That time seems incredible.
For the "historical" version of the mod? Unknown - haven't tried it yet.

I've got the historical version and usually drive the McLaren. I highly doubt I'll even get a whiff of that time in it, because I didn't in the 1990 version of the track, but I didn't put a lot of time into setting up the car, either. The Ferrari or Williams in the Historical version might get close with their semi-auto trannies might, but I damn sure won't in that manual slushbox the MP4/6 uses.

I imagine there's some entrants that we haven't seen in a practice race that will snap off 1:35's, leaving the rest of us shaking our heads....

1:38.7 personal best so far on a hotlap. More practice needed... obviously.

My best is a 1:41 lol

Well, I know I'm going to have to get faster or either get used to seeing the back of Darren's Fondmetal....

I've done one lap in the 40's. 38.7 is just scary PK. nice lap

I've driven the HE quite a bit. The Williams and Ferrari are astonishing cars, I wouldn't be at all surprised if they can go that quick.

The HE Suzuka McLaren's got a TON of power, maybe even on par with that Renault pushing the Williams, but that gearbox makes all the difference, at least for me it always has. It's definetely worth it's weight in titanium.

Looking at the actual laps times, it just makes me marvel at both Senna and Berger...Gerhard was one of my favorites of that era...even more considering they swept the front row the last two races. What astonished me was the top 20 runners all broke the 1:40 mark and that Footwork ran a 1:40+ in the last qualifying spot.

I thought I read somewhere that the LE cars were based on the Williams, but I'm not really sure now...might be thinking about something else or another LE mod.

Interestingly enough, when i was still running LE V1, i was effortlessly getting 37/38's. V2 seems quite a bit slower and is probably based on a different car

yikes if you guys are that far down in terms of time im miles off the pace, i thought id done well getting down to the 1:43's/1:42's i dunno where im going to find much more time

Maybe someone could post a replay file. Depends on how charitable they're feeling.

I'm not in this race but it sounds like it's going to be an exciting one.

From Slimjim, maker of the LE version:

"the physics are the same as the 1.1 version with tweaks to the wing settings.. i did make a few changes due to input from the real cars.. video tests where some of these cars where driven.. to give a baseline on how they handeled. v1.1 had quite a bit more Downforce.. which was unrealistic... i wanted the cars to be fun and nice for League races, but have some sort of realistic feel to them.. the setups should work ok from the older version with a few tweaks to them"

And in 2.1, which we're running:

"ok.. V2.1 has been released...this fixes the gated shifting..new upgrades file so AI can use the auto shift. all new HDV files for tweaked aero and brake settings. new tire file for adjusted front temp and rear grip tweaks. also new rFm to show what version you have, this will also show online. this will be the last installment for this mod until rF2 is released"

He never really says which car it's based on....might have taken parts from all the top runners to make the League car or something....I'm quicker in the HE Williams than I am in the LE cars.

Yeah PK that time is just NUTS!!!! I'm making mistakes on the way to a 42, but trying to find another 4 seconds is just mind blowing... I'll have to start over with the set up and see where I can get it..

I've seen :40's in Qualifying trim and :41's in Race trim (thanks to Darren smoking me through the Esses and having to make some changes), but a :38's gonna make Papa K lonely on the front row.....anyone got a box of thumbtacks to throw down in Degner before he comes by?....

Nope, but how about a small bag of sugar?

im having to drop out, some other stuff has come up that will get in the way of me competing sorry guys

That's a shame. We will have some other events coming up so hope you can make some of those.

Stepping out of this one as well.

Family emergency I am dealing with right now, most likely won't even be back in town for Sunday.

Will check back in when things are sorted.

Good luck guys.

I was looking forward to some open-wheel action, will make a future event.

Cheers!

I don't know if it'll help, but here's a hotlap replay:
http://www.gamefront.com/files/20180421/Suzuka_F1_91LE_1_38_772_Vcr

Driver Alert 1

Please make sure your radiator setting is at least 3 to avoid smoking in the race.

Any car that has sustained smoking during the race may get a 1 lap black flag penalty.

For qualifying, settings for the radiator are open (IOWs, the radiator can be below 3).

Sorry guys. I'm out.

I was hoping things would be better with more practice, but the high downforce cars just don't work for me.
It is a problem that I have always had. I need cars that roll and move on the suspension.
Things like the modern F1 and DTM mod are just reacting to quick for me.

Old cars work much better for me. Would love to see HistorX or F1 1971 at SimHQ.

Woke up my newly assembled machine to life first time this morning.

I tried the 'scenery' with high 42.xxx on fastest lap, but with fuel I am nowhere. With no more time to practice today, I will try to join as a spectator tonight.

Join the race Piotr, it's a long one

Piotr, with a lap record in qualy mode of 1.43.348 and general laptimes of 1:45s and 1:46s with fuel I'm nowhere near being competitive and realistically will have no chance to win the race, or even ending up on the podium.

But I'll participate in it anyway. Ahmad is totally right, it's a long race and a lot can happen.

I almost had to bow out, my old trusty rusty 8800GT finally gave up yesterday just as I fired up to join practice. Luckily I did go get a shiny new GT465 that seems to have done the trick. Now if I can just make my set work, I have gearing and breaking pretty well dialed in but its too understeery once I get up to temp. Any suggestions to get a little more bite on turn in gents? Wings are currently 24/25, all other suspension settings at defaults.

Luckily I came on here... I got my dates horridly wrong.. lol.. I thought this race was next weekend and the VHR event the week after... Which means I haven't had the practice I'd like to of had, but I'll compete for as long as I can keep it out of the walls for lol...

Birdski, is it understeering on or off throttle? The Differential Lock settings can really affect under/oversteer in off and on throttle states. For "pure" over or understeer, just about every suspension setting can affect those...changes to one part, say rollbars, can affect what changes you make in other areas, such as springs.

Not sure if it will help this late in the day, but try this site for some ideas to ISI's setup parameters and what they do.... Setup Matrix ....it's a compliation put together based on RacerAlex's guide that was key to fast laps in the old ISI F1 series, which rFactor was based on.

Sorry I couldn't stay longer! Good racing while I was there.

Had a very unstable (bonzai) setup to try and compete but had to put in a qualifier each lap just to stay close, I made too many mistakes due to a very low rear wing and decided to park it halfway through as I wasn't racing anyone. It was fun driving it in a sadistic kind of way.

My race was pretty much over as soon as we had to have the race restart when I lost all FFB....it's happened from time to time with Realfeel based mods when the session is restarted and the only way for me to get it back is to leave the session and that wasn't something I could do, given the circumstances....just had to happen today I guess.

Not having any FFB cost me well over a second a lap when compared to the practice races and my own testing....I struggled with it as long as I could and then decided I'd had enough. My congrats to the winners and racers that were able to finish.

I joined in last moment and didn't have time to push for qually lap. Early laps promoted me from back to 6th, all due to passing cars the went into trouble with spins or collisions.

10 or so laps later, my rfactor screen went all black, I thought it's freezed but my XD overlay seemed working and I had sound. So I heard when I hit the wall :-). When I hit esc the picture returned. I guess I have to inspect my Win7 again for background processes kicking in. Thankfully I had good gap to cars behind and to puro in front, so my adventure did not cost anyone but me...

Grats to Papa and Darren for stellar pace in race. Puro in third and others who brought it home deserve much applause as well.

Terrific race. Congratulations to Papa_K for keeping his cool as Darren (on fresh tires) was reeling him in. Made for some exciting spectating. Lots of strategy in the race! Congrats to usual tough-luck guy purolator who didn't expect much today and ended-up on the podium!

Considering Ahmad (off-pace), Steve (FFB), and Alex (had to go) parked their cars, and Piotr had a computer black screen, only two shunts in that full-length race at 100% isn't bad. I would have expected more accident retirements.

I'll post the Autosim results in a bit, but for now, here is the box score:



We will have another 100% damage F1 Classic in late summer. Drivers need to recover for a few months before the next one.

The upcoming F2 series will be much more relaxed with 50% damage and fixed setups.

DAMN THAT WAS FUN!!!!

my first race with the wheel and even though I hadn't put the miles in I wanted to due to a frustrating week last week which lead me to take some time off from getting to grips with the wheel and me thinking the race was next weekend so I could do the miles in the coming week...

Had a decent start the second time around made one place which I quickly lost with a run off the track, I then ended up behind Earl who was still getting up to speed as I would later find out, was running a little too close to him through the esses when he had a little slide which I then made worse for him..

I was then locked in a 3 way dice with Caana and Birdski as they closed in from the rear the more mistakes I made until I spun it at the chicane and before I could move both of them collided with me... Sorry about that guys I just locked the rears and around I went, I hope niether of you were badly damaged from that...

I then struggled to keep pace with Caana and made more mistakes until around lap 20 when I started to find a rhythm but by this time I had fallen behind Earl again, he had found his pace and we swapped faster laps for the rest of the race...

Congrats to the podium and all the finishers... Both PapaK and Darren were untouchable today...

Very nice race with lot of fun inside. I´m really happy to made the 4. place an just only 2 Spins without a damage ^^.

Overlapped by Darren and Papa was not a shame, just a reason to get more practise. Your times are unbelievable^^. Öhm....would you be so kind and give me your Set-Ups?

The best joke today comes from Ahmad...he has a bad day and a bad set-up, he said. Dammed .. I wish I had some days and times like this

Thanks to Doug an SimHQ for this event.

Edith:

Dont worry Pumbaa, #%&*$# happens and i havent a perceptible damage.

Congratulations to Papa_K for a well deserved victory and to Darren for a well deserved second place. Also congratulations to all who made it to the chequered flag, that in itself is already a feat at Suzuka.

For me special recognition goes to my teammate Caana, as with his 4th place we both ensured that Team Minardi scored very well overall. I think both our seats for the next F1 91 (or 92, 93...) races are safe within that team now.

I'm not really a fan of this track and my hopes were not high, but I wasn't in the mood to give up so easily anyway. 53 laps are not a short race.

8th position in qualifying was something I expected. The restart went good enough and due to others suffering incidents I was on 5th position after one lap or two. I thought that's fine, no chance to manage the pace of the 4 in front of me (Papa_K, Darren, Ahmad, Steve) but still sufficient pace to hold off the opponents behind me. So I decided to settle down, just bringing home the car without any trouble.

When Steve retired I was surprised, when Ahamd was out I desperately wanted to rub my eyes, as I was on third then. So the podium within reach, provided I stay concentrated? I started to push a little more without overdoing it then to keep myself under pressure and to keep a gap to the person in 4th, I don't recall who was it then. But in the last 14 laps or so I decided to take it easy again, still keeping an eye on my teammate Caana, who came in 4th and managed to get closer down to about 14 seconds after a spin of mine in the hairpin. I had to make sure not to blow this one and told myself to get my act together for the last laps, driving steadily, but not sluggish. I really think going too slow is indeed detrimental to concentration - just like for the real drivers.

And just like at Adelaide I somehow managed to correct driving errors swiftly, apart from the spin near the end in the hairpin. Still, not even a dent in the car. I don't know how I do it, in practice laps I crash so often within a few laps, but once in a race it goes fine, albeit I am slower then. Could this be the result of some routine kicking in after 2 years? At least I was not overtly inconsistent, and once more it paid out with an unexpected good result.

cool I think out of the 3 of us I had the least damage from that, I think Birdski had to pit as he ended up behind me somehow...



I'd also like to look at these set ups so I can see where I went wrong...

You should bind the "Reset FFB" function in the control settings.

Thanks, Ahmad...never knew that was there. I'll have to check it out. It really cost me in the high-speed corners, which my car was set up for today.

I thought I was going to have to miss this one as I switched on my puter to find My 28" widescreen tft monitor had died!. after much investigation and trying different things I gave up on getting it working. (the on/off switch had been acting up for a few weeks sometimes refusing to switch on and sometimes switching itself on when I was nowhere near it!) Anyway luckilly I had an old 19" CRT monitor so I dug that out and was all set/ Unfortunately I got a bit wide around lap 19 and lost it into the barrier. Race over for me but I had fun. I have to agree with Rob Bakker though these cars can be a real handfull. I would also love to see a FI'71 race for our next open wheeler race. Well done to the guys who got on the podium.

Thanks, Doug!






Considering vintage open wheelers: Rob, Stewart, have you ever tried the F1 1975 or F1 1985 mod? F1 1971 is very good and if there ever is a race to be held here in these you can bet I will get a black Lotus, but these mods might interest you as well. Furthermore, the upcoming F2 miniseries might be just the right thing for you then!

I thought the same thing except I didn't make it...oops.

Congrats for the podium guys!

Lol, well my wing setting was 19/12 and very unstable under braking, try running that for 90 minutes around Suzuka lol.

My goodness, I wouldn't even last 3 laps with that!

My setting was 25/24. Not really fast, but almost rock stable.

I found it a bit humorous that the physics developer, at least for the Historical version, stated in his Physics Guide that he couldn't see a reason to set the wings lower than 20 for a road course, which Suzuka would qualify for. He stated that somewhere like Monza, he could see the possibility of going lower, though.

I started out running 15/11 and I think my final race setup was 17/13 and my car was pretty "grippy" through every corner except for the last tight RH'er through the Esses, but that was more because of weight transistion due to stiff springs than it was aero. I'm sure the LE edition's quite a bit different than the Historical one, though.