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#3225818 - 03/05/11 05:06 PM
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What were some theories or ideas you had about the mysteries and direction of BSG that were correct and which ones were wrong?
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1. I thought the last Final 5 to be revealed was going to be Dualla.
2. I thought the Daniel (Number 7) from BSG was the same Daniel (Greystone) from Caprica.
3. For a long time I thought the resurrected Starbuck was a trap set up by the cylons to bring humanity to its final destruction. I dropped this belief after the events of "Someone to Watch Over Me".
4. I was convinced that the fleet was going to find either present day Earth or an Earth of the future (to us) which was also nuked to hell.
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#3225832 - 03/05/11 05:30 PM
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I thought the last cylon would turn out to be the Galactica itself. Would've been cool though, huh? LOL
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#3225837 - 03/05/11 05:34 PM
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I thought the last cylon would turn out to be the Galactica itself. Would've been cool though, huh? LOL Uh, wow. That one is way out there! What made you think of that possibility?
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#3225849 - 03/05/11 06:04 PM
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im still trying to figure what the "resurected" starbuck was.... an angel??? or a mass halucination...
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#3225896 - 03/05/11 07:30 PM
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im still trying to figure what the "resurected" starbuck was.... an angel??? or a mass halucination... She couldn't have been a hallucination since she had physical interaction with other people in the fleet so my educated guess is that she was indeed an angel incarnate.
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#3226038 - 03/06/11 02:04 AM
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Yes, all those she shot just suffered heart attacks upon sight of her aiming a gun.
I actually thought everybody was going to die at the end except for a few a.k.a. Adam and Eve.
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#3226054 - 03/06/11 02:43 AM
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Well if we are on the quest to explain things... I know this thread has spolier warning on it...but this is a biggie...
Does anyone have any ideas as to why Dualla shot herself? It really seemed out of context to me, I was wondering if there would be any explanation in the storyline but it was kinda like... getting back with lee, everything is rosy, go to locker room and blam!
I was thinking, had she seen something in her locker that triggered it or was she beeing manipulated by the cyclons/ find out she was a cyclon etc but nothing was ever really explained... or was it? and I've missed it????
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#3226139 - 03/06/11 06:04 AM
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Does anyone have any ideas as to why Dualla shot herself? It really seemed out of context to me, I was wondering if there would be any explanation in the storyline but it was kinda like... getting back with lee, everything is rosy, go to locker room and blam!
I was thinking, had she seen something in her locker that triggered it or was she beeing manipulated by the cyclons/ find out she was a cyclon etc but nothing was ever really explained... or was it? and I've missed it????
She killed herself for the simple reason that she just couldn't take it anymore and lost all sense of hope after the discovery of Earth 2 being a nuked wasteland. Things SEEMED to be fine when she agreed to go to dinner with Lee and you see her enjoying his company but that was done for two reasons. 1. To give the audience a false sense that everything was ok and 2. She had already decided to kill herself and she wanted some final happiness and closure with Lee, the man she still loved. Ron Moore goes into great detail about her reasoning in the podcast for that episode.
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#3226200 - 03/06/11 07:30 AM
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Ah, I see. Many thanks for the explantion. ( It had been bugging me for quite some time!!! )
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#3226219 - 03/06/11 08:12 AM
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I thought the last cylon would turn out to be the Galactica itself. Would've been cool though, huh? LOL Uh, wow. That one is way out there! What made you think of that possibility? Not sure how I came to that. I think maybe it was when they talked about spraying the cylon stuff on the hull to repair it.
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#3226469 - 03/06/11 01:18 PM
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I thought Dee would be the final cylon.
I thought Earth would be either present day or destroyed when they found it.
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#3226476 - 03/06/11 01:25 PM
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im still trying to figure what the "resurected" starbuck was.... an angel??? or a mass halucination... She couldn't have been a hallucination since she had physical interaction with other people in the fleet so my educated guess is that she was indeed an angel incarnate. I don't think she was an angel. She simply existed and then she no longer did. It is unexplainable.
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#3226599 - 03/06/11 04:13 PM
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Makes sense. Plus wouldn't an angel know they are an angel? Starbuck seemed extremely human to me, even when you saw her private moments with no other people around...
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#3226607 - 03/06/11 04:25 PM
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Makes sense. Plus wouldn't an angel know they are an angel? Starbuck seemed extremely human to me, even when you saw her private moments with no other people around... Starbuck never understood what her true nature was until the finale. You could argue that Starbuck was not an angel before she "died" in the mandala and only became one after her resurrection. Then again, even Ron Moore has mentioned that they left Starbuck's resurrection/transformation an open mystery. Some fans liked that, some didn't.
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#3226733 - 03/06/11 08:07 PM
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I loved how she was aware her mission and purpose in life has been achieved. BSG had many great moments and that is one of my favorites.
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#3226737 - 03/06/11 08:15 PM
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What were some theories or ideas you had about the mysteries and direction of BSG that were correct and which ones were wrong?
Here are mine,
1. I thought the last Final 5 to be revealed was going to be Dualla.
2. I thought the Daniel (Number 7) from BSG was the same Daniel (Greystone) from Caprica.
3. For a long time I thought the resurrected Starbuck was a trap set up by the cylons to bring humanity to its final destruction. I dropped this belief after the events of "Someone to Watch Over Me".
4. I was convinced that the fleet was going to find either present day Earth or an Earth of the future (to us) which was also nuked to hell. Daniel the Cylon could have been made in Daniel Graystone's image. Just like Cavil was made in the image of Ellen Tigh's father.
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#3226915 - 03/07/11 05:17 AM
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Perhaps, but Daniel is irrelevant because he never participated in anything with 1 boxing him shortly after creation.
Anyway, Starbuck came from the same place that recreated her fighter perfectly, and there's no such thing as an angel fighter!
The obvious answer, of course, is that she was a plot tool.
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#3227659 - 03/07/11 05:19 PM
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The why i see it Starbuck died the Gods of Kobal desided that Galactica isn't going to make it this time around. As its all been done before and will be done again. So they let Starbuck out of Heaven to help finish the Job. if there is know one to worship you then whats the use of being a God or Gods as this is. no such thing as an angel fighter! How would you know
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#3227686 - 03/07/11 05:52 PM
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This video shows how the Starbuck reappearance of this version was similar to the original series. It wasn't that she was an angel, more like another advanced personality, placed in Starbuck's body to serve the purpose of getting humans to earth. It's an explanation that I feel I can cope with, and it sorta makes sense....ish http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTN0mChZK8E
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#3227690 - 03/07/11 05:56 PM
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But her body and viper were found on the nuked planet.
I know.... She Acsended and Daniel Jackson sent her back..
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#3227750 - 03/07/11 08:06 PM
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Some fascinating Starbuck theories here.  I'll admit that when I first saw her disappearance act in the finale I was thinking to myself "say what? that can't be it!!" but later on I realized that sometimes it's best to leave some things unexplained and open to interpretation.
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#3227768 - 03/07/11 08:32 PM
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To me it was very obvious what Starbuck was -- a poorly executed plot device by befuddled writers.
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#3227773 - 03/07/11 08:40 PM
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I hate when things are over-explained. It rarely (if ever) pays off enough to warrant it. Starbuck died, we know that much. She then reappeared as a version of the original, with her memories, feelings, and passion. But this time around she was driven, or perhaps it is better to say she was being pulled toward an ultimate purpose.
Once she achieved that purpose, she was rewarded with the ability to say goodbye... and then she was gone, like a thought or a muse. I think that people call her an angel because it is easy to define her that way.
RDM was smart to not define it.
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#3227791 - 03/07/11 08:50 PM
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Organic writing during a long production run can work, or it can result in Lost.
BSG seemed to tread the tightrope pretty well but some threads either meandered and petered out or, like the Starbuck thing, ended up backed into a corner from which there was no elegant escape.
I can't say I was particularly fond of the disappearing angel but there were more offensive things to worry about (Times Square, gack!). Besides, Starbuck really had to be there until the end, and we were treated to the wonderful Someone To Watch Over Me en route.
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#3227800 - 03/07/11 09:26 PM
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I can't say I was particularly fond of the disappearing angel but there were more offensive things to worry about (Times Square, gack!).
That's part of the problem I had with the Starbuck thing, it was bad but it was only one of many poorly done aspects of the finale. As far as over-explaining something goes, there's a lot of room between over-explaining and not explaining at all. The way it was handled, it was like Dr. Kimble finally catching up to the one-armed man, and the the one-armed man just disappears. Looking at the way The Fugitive really ended, I don't thing too many people felt things were over-explained, and appreciated finding out the background information and seeing Richard Kimble finally proven innocent.
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#3227967 - 03/08/11 05:49 AM
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The funny thing is the Times Square ending was planned from the beginning, one of the few things that were! Likewise the very end of Lost was planned from the beginning, but by very end I mean the last 60 seconds. It was the season leading up to that last 60 seconds that saw them really lose their way by dwelling on irrelevancies, trivializing that which seemed quite important before, and just ignoring other stuff.
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