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#3213260 - 02/20/11 05:10 PM
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I got into RC planes years ago and now that there is a hint of spring in the air, I thought Id pick this up for some fun for me and my son. I thought electric would be easier and since this is easy to put together, I would have to spend too much time building it. Im also a sucker for the Corsair. It looked like it flies well in the video. Has anyone bought one of these styrofoam electric planes? Are they any good or should I just build one from scratch? Thanks for any advice. Rob http://www.nitroplanes.com/93a304-1400-f4u-blue-rtf-24g.html
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#3213280 - 02/20/11 05:41 PM
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from my understanding the airfield brand is the same thing as FMS. i have not personally seen the FMS corsair in action, but a feaw guys at my club have the Spitfire, Mustang, P 40, and jug, they all seem to fly pretty well for foamies. as to buying an ARF v/s building, well thats a personal type question, i personally prefer scratch building, or kit building butit is really up to you, they are definately a quick way to get flying. here is a link to the FMS site. http://www.fmsmodel.com/EN/Cheers Craig
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#3213332 - 02/20/11 06:58 PM
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I've heard mixed on the forums. With any of the imports like that, you risk getting a bad servo or ESC. And since that's RTF, the radio might not be the best either. It wouldn't stop me from buying one, but I'd probably swap in a more reliable Elevator servo at the very least, and use a name brand radio system. That said, I can vouch for the Parkzone corsair myself, it's a hoot to fly, uses a 3 cell batt vs. 4 cell (much cheaper batteries!), can be flown in a smaller area, and is made of a very durable foam material (it's not brittle like styrofoam, it actually has a little bit of flex). It lacks retracts, but if your just looking to have a good time with you son, I don't see that ruining anything. Also, should you break anything, most hobby shops stock or can stock parts for Horizon planes. Plus if your LHS can't get the PZ corsair for you, horizonhobby.com will ship it free. http://parkzone.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=PKZ4600Side note: If you can wait till April, there will be a baby corsair coming: http://parkzone.com/UltraMicro/Default.aspx?ProdID=PKZU1600
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#3213358 - 02/20/11 07:39 PM
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Thanks for all th egreat info guys.
There seems to be lots of options out their. I think Ill sit on it for week or so and check out the Parkzone models too.
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#3213396 - 02/20/11 09:28 PM
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Personally, for my money, go with Alfa models. http://www.hobby-lobby.com/corsairf4u.htmMy first aircraft was one of their Huckebeins, and it was a fantastic kit. Just my .02.
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#3214226 - 02/21/11 03:07 PM
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Thanks for all th egreat info guys.
There seems to be lots of options out their. I think Ill sit on it for week or so and check out the Parkzone models too.
Rob No problem  Let us know how your searching goes
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#3214420 - 02/21/11 06:21 PM
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Thanks, so far in the last 24 hours, Ive changed my mind 8 times. Im going to sit on it at least a week or 2 and do more research. I dont want this to be an impulse buy for the wrong reasons. So far, Im back to the airfield/FMS Corsair, but im sure it will change again. Im also debating between the gray and traditional blue version. Ive never seen gray one, but I belive a small number of them exsisted during the Korean war. Still, I think I prefer the Blue one. Black Sheep squadron was one of my favorite shows as a kid so if I do get one, it will be the blue version.
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#3214636 - 02/22/11 01:44 AM
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Oh well, so much for following my own advice and waiting. I just had to get it. However, I didnt get the corsair. I figured its been a long time since I flew RC planes and even when I did, it was gas. Never flew and electric. I thought Id better get some type of trainer first, so I ended up buying this Cessna high wing fixed tricycle gear model. It seems stable in the video and capable of slow flight due to the fact that is has working flaps. The Nav lights are a little silly, but A neat effect I guess. anyhow, I should have it be next week. Ill let you guys know how it works out. Rob http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sai_T--fkWA&feature=player_embedded
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#3214889 - 02/22/11 07:33 AM
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probably not a bad idea to go with the Cessna as a way to retrain your thumbs. you mentioned having never flown electrics, well you will be suprised at the performance of electric power systems these days, one of the key factors in the performance is the use of Li-Po batteries. the energy density of these cells is fantastic but if mistreated, or abused they can be a dangerous bit of gear. i have been flying solely electrics for the last 4-5 years and have about 20 packs shared between about 5 planes, i have had 1 lipo go let go on the charger early in the piece, luckily i only charge outside or it could very easily have burnt down the house. do yourself a favour and have a read through this link for some do's and don'ts, makes things safer and cheaper for yourself in the long run. http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1181554&highlight=li+po+safety here is a little vid a mate of mine from the club made a while back demonstrating how volatile a mistreated li-po can be http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ieq3MWUnD34have fun with your new toy  Craig
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#3215094 - 02/22/11 10:26 AM
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Hey, Thanks for the tips on lipo batteries. Good to know information for a newbie like me although a bit scary. I guess I will only charge them outside also.
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#3215572 - 02/22/11 05:05 PM
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cool as mate, yup definately charge outside, and only when you can keep an eye on things, i also store my packs outside, in my bar fridge in the pergola. there is no need to be put off at all by the batteries, you just need a healthy respect for them. electrics are the way of the future, i gave all my glow stuff away a few years back as i just never used it anymore, no more slimers for me  any questions or queries let us know, or better yet check on RC Groups forum, an absolute wealth of knowledge is available. Cheers Craig
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#3215729 - 02/22/11 09:32 PM
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cool as mate, yup definately charge outside, and only when you can keep an eye on things, i also store my packs outside, in my bar fridge in the pergola. there is no need to be put off at all by the batteries, you just need a healthy respect for them. electrics are the way of the future, i gave all my glow stuff away a few years back as i just never used it anymore, no more slimers for me  any questions or queries let us know, or better yet check on RC Groups forum, an absolute wealth of knowledge is available. Cheers Craig I second all of this. I'd also add, get yourself a good charger if you decide to make a full return to the hobby (be warned, the connivance of Electric IS addicting!). The nice ones (many are available in the sub $100 range) will include safety features like a temp probe, that will cut off a battery if it overheats.
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#3221474 - 03/01/11 10:29 AM
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I keep all my lipo batteries stored inside a fireproof safety box. And keep the box stored inside a larger fireproof tool box I keep in my workshop. Always keeping them maintained as to not let them puff out. Have seen what they can do. Had one go bad inside my Futaba 2.4 GHZ 6EX. Was lucky I found it when I did. Had bumped the on switch accidentally when putting it back in its case and stored it away. Had to look for a wire connector one day I keep stored inside my TX case and noticed it was on when opening the case. Opened up the battery box and inside the lipo was all puffed out from over discharge. Took it out before it could go any further and buried it in a sand field out back. A good 3ft deep.
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#3223624 - 03/03/11 01:18 PM
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Edited by malibu43 (03/03/11 01:35 PM)
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#3223663 - 03/03/11 01:53 PM
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Oh, also, I'll add that all the E-flight and Parkzone stuff is great. While a little more money than the GWS stuff, I think it's worth it.
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#3223747 - 03/03/11 03:24 PM
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That Corsair definately looks nice, and retracts to boot. Definately not a beginners plane though but if you feel like you have the skill level for it go for it. I wonder if the 4 blade prop is a flying one or just display?
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#3227086 - 03/07/11 08:08 AM
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The GWS stuff requires painting and usually some sanding to get things squared right, correct? Where as the parkzone stuff is pretty much good to go out of the box (usually you have to screw the tail together, and bolt the wings on, that's about it. Not a knock on the GWS planes (those bipes are sweet looking, love the camo on the 'moth  ), just something to consider. They certainly hit a great price point. I'm thinking of building their C-130 myself.
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#3227506 - 03/07/11 02:14 PM
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The GWS stuff requires painting and usually some sanding to get things squared right, correct? Where as the parkzone stuff is pretty much good to go out of the box (usually you have to screw the tail together, and bolt the wings on, that's about it. Not a knock on the GWS planes (those bipes are sweet looking, love the camo on the 'moth  ), just something to consider. They certainly hit a great price point. I'm thinking of building their C-130 myself. Correct on all accounts. And thanks for the compliments on the Moth. I really like the way the paint turned out. The GWS does require a little work, but it's nice that it's relatively tough and so cheap when you're just starting out. That corsair has had quite a few... uh... sudden encouters with the ground. That Moth is actually my second. The first one was my first aileron plane. The ESC went nuts one day and the plane went 100% throttle straight in on a soccer field from about 75' up. 1/2 hour with some 5 min epoxy and it was as good as new. It took several more crashes before I finally scrapped it. By that time it was more epoxy than foam. Before Epoxy Magic:   After Epoxy Magic: 
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#3266457 - 04/10/11 07:11 PM
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For the love of the hobby, no. Do not buy from Nitroplanes. They are vultures.
I used to work for a competitor. We'd spend a lot of money, working with the factories to make it right, get it scale, then they'll come along, poach the design and drive the price down by selling it for less. Now, I have nothing to quibble with over low prices. However, they sell that low by not providing service and parts. Their customers would come to us. The newsflash about that is that companies don't make money from after-sale support. So, the companies that stand by the product end up bearing their costs. They simply do not stand by their product, and it harms other market players. Plus, even where they aren't selling the same product, they often try to pass of something as the same when it isn't. I used to get calls for service on their products, they thought they were buying our high quality stuff at a lower price. Its borderline trademark infringement.
They sell a CL-415 which WE commissioned the factory to make. The factory made a sh!tty set of decals (half Canadian half turkish). I made them a scale decal sheet (Ontario MNR decals), which they now sell. I MADE THOSE DECALS and those f&ckers stole it.
Simply put, don't buy from those assh()les if you like the hobby and want to keep it alive. Buy it from someone who will support their product.
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#3267039 - 04/11/11 11:30 AM
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For the love of the hobby, no. Do not buy from Nitroplanes. They are vultures.
I used to work for a competitor. We'd spend a lot of money, working with the factories to make it right, get it scale, then they'll come along, poach the design and drive the price down by selling it for less. Now, I have nothing to quibble with over low prices. However, they sell that low by not providing service and parts. Their customers would come to us. The newsflash about that is that companies don't make money from after-sale support. So, the companies that stand by the product end up bearing their costs. They simply do not stand by their product, and it harms other market players. Plus, even where they aren't selling the same product, they often try to pass of something as the same when it isn't. I used to get calls for service on their products, they thought they were buying our high quality stuff at a lower price. Its borderline trademark infringement.
They sell a CL-415 which WE commissioned the factory to make. The factory made a sh!tty set of decals (half Canadian half turkish). I made them a scale decal sheet (Ontario MNR decals), which they now sell. I MADE THOSE DECALS and those f&ckers stole it.
Simply put, don't buy from those assh()les if you like the hobby and want to keep it alive. Buy it from someone who will support their product. There's info on RC groups to corroborate this, if you search around. Sounds like your factory was in China though, Paul. And that's a risk of doing business over there, where copyright/patent/trademark law is just the punchline to a bad joke. Not saying what happened is right,but it's the reality of the situation. Most experienced hobbyist on RCG tend to just buy the bare airframe version of those products, with the intent to put in more reliable components, and a better paint job anyway. Banana and Nitro are bringing products to market that often aren't available anywhere else, and this is the best way most enthusiasts see to get the plane they want. I've yet to buy from either of them, but if I did it would be with the mind set that I'm buying an "as is" product, with zero product support.
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#3267811 - 04/12/11 07:34 AM
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Sounds like your factory was in China though, Paul. And that's a risk of doing business over there, where copyright/patent/trademark law is just the punchline to a bad joke. Everything is made in China in the hobby industry. Even Castle, who assembles their ESC's in the US, manufactures the components in China. While China presents challenges in copyright etc... there is no reason why US companies shouldn't respect their competition. Nitroplanes doesn't. They are ruining the industry. So, if you want the hobby to die to the point where only the sh!ttiest crap gets made, go buy nitroplanes.
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#3281360 - 04/27/11 03:21 PM
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I know I'm a little late here, but I reall like the GWS stuff. The airframes are very cheap and durable, and then you can throw whatever electronics in that you want. I have (or have had) the Tigermoth, F4U, PT-17, P-51, and T-6A. They're all fun to fly. You can get most of their stuff from www.epyaya.comI haven't been flying much lately, but looking at all these pics has me wanting to! Couldn't agree more. GWS foam electric kits are great. Especially to let a new pilot try out the hobby... the Tiger Moth and Slow Stick are great flyers and once you get some stick time in one you land them almost any where and easily fly them in small parks or larger back yards. The warbirds are very easy to convert to brushless and are a blast with no gear and doing belly grass landings. I've been recently dusting off my old RC planes and my GWS planes will be back int he air soon to fly with my 11 year old son. 
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#3289353 - 05/07/11 11:31 AM
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GWS makes great stuff. So does Sig.
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#3289556 - 05/07/11 05:40 PM
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multipex easystar is another good starter, quite a lot of the new guys at our club start out with them.
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#3290228 - 05/08/11 07:10 PM
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multipex easystar is another good starter, quite a lot of the new guys at our club start out with them.
Craig I've heard this as well. The easy star has a reputation for being a good "work horse" plane, good as a photo platform, payload dropper, etc.
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#3290853 - 05/09/11 03:14 PM
Re: Thinking about buying this.. Any opinions?
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Any word-to-mouth mentions of BlitzRCWorks? They have some large 58-63" wingspans.
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#3294307 - 05/13/11 08:59 AM
Re: Thinking about buying this.. Any opinions?
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Just spotted this and thought I'd add my ha'penny-worth: I recently bought a Parkzone T-28 Trojan and a Spektrum 6 combo; Great little plane and fairly aerobatic. Something I wasn't aware of until the guy in the shop took it out of the box is that it has an undercambered wing, so will fly very slowly. Requires a fair bit of 'down' to stay up when inverted though! Everything else I saw in this size range seems to have flat plate wings. No building whatsoever required and the (very cheap) batteries swap out from underneath without any hatches. I also bought a 'Beast' biplane, but the Trojan gets the most stick time at the moment...the name is not chosen lightly  After spending years building from plans and faffing around with 4-stroke glow engines, it's great to just decide to go flying, and actually be flying 5 minutes later!
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#3294558 - 05/13/11 01:09 PM
Re: Thinking about buying this.. Any opinions?
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Just spotted this and thought I'd add my ha'penny-worth: I recently bought a Parkzone T-28 Trojan and a Spektrum 6 combo; Great little plane and fairly aerobatic. Something I wasn't aware of until the guy in the shop took it out of the box is that it has an undercambered wing, so will fly very slowly. Requires a fair bit of 'down' to stay up when inverted though! Everything else I saw in this size range seems to have flat plate wings. No building whatsoever required and the (very cheap) batteries swap out from underneath without any hatches. I also bought a 'Beast' biplane, but the Trojan gets the most stick time at the moment...the name is not chosen lightly  After spending years building from plans and faffing around with 4-stroke glow engines, it's great to just decide to go flying, and actually be flying 5 minutes later! FYI, your referring to the Ultra Micro Trojan. I can vouch that this is a fantastic plane as well. Parkzone also makes a larger Trojan, with a wingspan of about 42."
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#3310565 - 06/03/11 05:43 PM
Re: Thinking about buying this.. Any opinions?
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Do you have a website for Blitz RC works?
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