#3203820 - 02/10/11 07:16 AM
Re: SAM Simulator
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The best sites, that I found, are at the bottom of the SAMSIM homepage. http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/homeThe pictures were shot at Hungary: Hungarian Air Defense Museum, Zsámbék (Volhov, Neva, 1S12 Long Track) http://legvedelmimuzeum.hu/en.html12. Arrabona Air Defense Regiment, Gyor (1S32 KRUG) http://www.raketaezred.hu/Army History Museum and Park, Kecel (Vega, Shilka) http://www.museum.hu/museum/index_en.php?ID=961About the SA4, I got the usual (~1500 pages of) Hungarian language manuals...
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#3203829 - 02/10/11 07:46 AM
Re: SAM Simulator
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http://www.fortifikace.net/pov_pvos_skupina_vega_rapotice.html This page contains a link to an interesting video about that S-200 site: http://www.fortifikace.net/soubory/rapotice_video.mp4.Can anybody identify the instrument that appears at 2:50?
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#3203874 - 02/10/11 09:33 AM
Re: SAM Simulator
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About the SA4, I got the usual (~1500 pages of) Hungarian language manuals... Ugh.. It's always a language I can't read, lol. After spending a few more hours Google diving, I'm really surprised by the lack of interesting information. It seems like every site I find that actually mentions the 2K11-M1/SA-4 just repeats what all the others say. And so far the only internal images I've found are pictures taken by someone who thought it'd be great to place a massive watermark of his email address right through the middle. Pretty sad as they're up close pictures of some of the station panels.. I am however rather pleased with some of the pictures I found of the missile, a performance chart, and pictures showing how the radar deploys/stows. Also, two new questions. First, after the initial launch of the missile, are the solid fuel boosters ripped off of the 3M8M3 missile, or is there a system to release them? Secondly, what does 1 do?
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#3203887 - 02/10/11 09:48 AM
Re: SAM Simulator
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1, SNR Frequency selector switch. You can find the same at the Volhov "Z" panel.
Usually guarded so one frequency was used in peacetime, and another in wartime. (In case the enemy listens before the hostilities begun.)
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#3203901 - 02/10/11 10:00 AM
Re: SAM Simulator
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1, SNR Frequency selector switch. You can find the same at the Volhov "Z" panel.
Usually guarded so one frequency was used in peacetime, and another in wartime. (In case the enemy listens before the hostilities begun.) That's a pretty good trick. Does the Gammon have that ability too?
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#3631368 - 08/23/12 12:42 PM
Re: 2K11-M1 KRUG-M1 (SA-4B Ganef)
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For what purpose is this button? That is a three state "h - delta h" selector. Used during initial system check. Should be in the middle setting during battle. So its wrong in the sim.
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#3638016 - 09/04/12 12:55 PM
Re: 2K11-M1 KRUG-M1 (SA-4B Ganef)
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Is a Krug 'engagement' really one missile though? ~ I had the impression (not confirmed by checking the manuals I must admit) that almost all fired 2-3 missiles per target.
With 2 rounds for the engagement, the equivalent SSKP is 83% & within the range of the other missiles.
Obviously in the 'real world' nothing like this accuracy should be expected from any of these systems, especially if you have dense jamming and ARM considerations that might force dropping track, plus manoeuvring fighter targets. Manual describes different cases: Using one 3M8M3 missile... ... against a 6g maneuvering target, you have 50~90% hit probability. ... against a less than 5g maneuvering target, you have at least 75% hit probability.
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#3639105 - 09/05/12 07:36 PM
Re: 2K11-M1 KRUG-M1 (SA-4B Ganef)
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Picture Picture2 It is from this site: http://pilot.strizhi.info/2006/12/16/1463Some memories: On Emba shot on a "Virage" - РМ on the basis of ЗМ8. Shot also against reflector (parachute) and against(La-17) earlier. Here such event. In 1985 shot on "Virage". On the first target any of 9 stations of crew has not track succesfuly. Shooting have stopped - crews - couple of weeks training. As then it turned out - in РМ have not put an angular reflector - no one knew is it on purpose or not.. After two weeks on two targets spent 7 rockets. I.e. reflection 3М8 is not enough for this complex... From here: http://forums.airbase.ru/2005/03/t32120,7--pochemu-zrk-krug-ne-postavlyalsya-na-eksport.html
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#3641054 - 09/09/12 07:23 AM
Re: 2K11-M1 KRUG-M1 (SA-4B Ganef)
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Is it nnormal, when the target is in full tracking and switch off the transmitter - to have on display killing zones and point of impact? Yes, that is from the analogue computer. (used first time in the KRUG) Also, still when SNR is hit, the game terminated (that was reported as a bug by someone before... That is, how it was designed. If a KRUG SNR is hit, that is also terminal for its crew. (You are sitting right below the antenna)
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#3641332 - 09/09/12 08:00 PM
Re: 2K11-M1 KRUG-M1 (SA-4B Ganef)
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Question at KRUG minimum target height of 150 meters. The report will show here how is it 125 meters hit the Tomahawk!
Asuluk training ground.
Practice target: LA-17K simulating BGM-109 Tomahawk
2K11 KRUG-M1
00:10, Practice target LA-17K simulating BGM-109 Tomahawk launched
+++++++++++++++++ 00:00:20, SNR ON AIR
00:03:02, Missile launched Target distance: 28km Target azimuth: 70° Target elevation: 0° Target altitude: 125m Missile guidance method: TT (Three Point)
00:03:32, Missile exploded Practice target LA-17K simulating BGM-109 Tomahawk killed by SAM. (miss distance: 14m)
Total, SNR On Air Time: 3min 22sec
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#3646984 - 09/19/12 06:40 PM
Re: 2K11-M1 KRUG-M1 (SA-4B Ganef)
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Question at KRUG minimum target height of 150 meters. The report will show here how is it 125 meters hit the Tomahawk!
Asuluk training ground.
Practice target: LA-17K simulating BGM-109 Tomahawk
2K11 KRUG-M1
00:10, Practice target LA-17K simulating BGM-109 Tomahawk launched
+++++++++++++++++ 00:00:20, SNR ON AIR
00:03:02, Missile launched Target distance: 28km Target azimuth: 70° Target elevation: 0° Target altitude: 125m Missile guidance method: TT (Three Point)
00:03:32, Missile exploded Practice target LA-17K simulating BGM-109 Tomahawk killed by SAM. (miss distance: 14m)
Total, SNR On Air Time: 3min 22sec
No. This was the target altitude at missile launch, not at missile impact. 00:03:02, Missile launched Target altitude: 125m
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#3647555 - 09/20/12 02:28 PM
Re: 2K11-M1 KRUG-M1 (SA-4B Ganef)
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I'll try to knock Tornado and A6 with KRUG
If I succeed, then most error
Because the minimum height destroys targets in KRUG only 150 meters
Tornado aircraft target flying at an altitude of 100 meters, and the A6 is also in the simulator.
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Exodus
by RedOneAlpha. 04/18/24 05:46 PM
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