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#3510438 - 02/03/12 01:06 PM
Re: SAM Simulator
[Re: piston79]
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PS. Guys, I need a detailed description about how Dvina/Volkhov are calculating lead in K/UPR modes, what kind and how exactly they got information ( speed, distance...?)
Hi, there... It's about Volkhov/Dvina family. We all know, that if we can launch a missile without tracking the target. When the missile drop the first stage and start receiving commands from SNR, it must follow the boresights position at the moment (after some oscilations). I think it is like RS should be. As I see missile reacts just like that on epsilon and beta, ut still can't figure it out is moving the range boresight reflecting on missile, or not. Also, when practicing on Ashuluk in UPR/K: - against supersonic target the lead hits 4 degrees mark - against subsonic target - lead is not more than 3 degrees When the target denies data about speed and parameter (i.e. noise jamming), how could react the APP if there is no data for speed, parameter? P.S. Please, anybody, check on Hungary training with Volkhov, missiles are not guidable!!!Everything is fine, guys, I've just messed up the switches... 
Edited by piston79 (02/03/12 03:43 PM) Edit Reason: ERROR
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#3510497 - 02/03/12 02:22 PM
Re: SAM Simulator
[Re: piston79]
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It's about Volkhov/Dvina family. We all know, that if we can launch a missile without tracking the target. When the missile drop the first stage and start receiving commands from SNR, it must follow the boresights position at the moment (after some oscilations). I think it is like RS should be.Correct. As I see missile reacts just like that on epsilon and beta, ut still can't figure it out is moving the range boresight reflecting on missile, or not.Basically you should see no effect, except for K method, where the added elevation is depending on target range. Also, when practicing on Ashuluk in UPR/K: - against supersonic target the lead hits 4 degrees mark - against subsonic target - lead is not more than 3 degreesCorrect. Subsonic target UPR point is closer to the target. It can be less than 4 degree, depending on the P. Supersonic target UPR point is further to the target. It can be more than 4 degree, but the system allows the missile max 4 degree. When the missile is flying at less than 4 degree, than it is directly goes towards the UPR point. When the missile is flying at 4 degree, than the UPR point is at probably more than 4 degree, just the system limits its lead angle.
Edited by Hpasp (02/03/12 02:32 PM)
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#3510585 - 02/03/12 03:59 PM
Re: SAM Simulator
[Re: Hpasp]
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Hi, Hpasp, Recently you explained about the K3 command in Volkhov - in case the missile missed the target, or button VOZVRAT is pushed, SNR transmits K3 command for second time. I missed some target on purpose, but never saw K3 light to lit again. (I wanted to check it with VOZVRAT, but still I am not fast enough to switch the screen so fast  ). And, sure somebody mention it - electronic shots are traceable on Target Acquisition Radars... 
Edited by piston79 (02/03/12 04:09 PM)
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#3510896 - 02/04/12 01:12 AM
Re: SAM Simulator
[Re: Hpasp]
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Hello Hpasp! Error in the Volkhov "Divide by 0" Look at the picture ! 
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#3510918 - 02/04/12 01:30 AM
Re: SAM Simulator
[Re: Hpasp]
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I found a bug in the Volkhov in training in Hungary!
At an angle of ascent in 50 Degrees Antenna, I zoom in Line guidance range and error here was eat!
At 40 Degrees was not, but here are at 50 and was a error "Divide by 0" at the Volkhov, the Dvina was not.
I do not know it or Error Feature Volkhov!
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#3510937 - 02/04/12 02:36 AM
Re: SAM Simulator
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Piston, Max good finds, I fix both. 
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#3510958 - 02/04/12 04:21 AM
Re: SAM Simulator
[Re: Hpasp]
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Future plans are very good !
I do not know the error is " Divide by 0" or a feature of the Volkhov !
I do not know exactly , just so I have this error was .
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#3511792 - 02/05/12 09:08 AM
Re: SAM Simulator
[Re: Hpasp]
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Thank Hpasp!
I understand that this is a feature of the Dvina, Volkhov!
I regret only one thing why was removed "Shilka".
All such plans in the Shilka was also already in the simulator could make it all the time.
Shilka would be the last time.
As I understand it is your simulator, so you the right to decide what will and what is not.
"Shilka" could still make the time she has been there in the Simulator.
I think so, why do you Shilka removed because it is not SAM
Also, even perhaps because of that Shilka seems very difficult to do.
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#3511980 - 02/05/12 01:28 PM
Re: SAM Simulator
[Re: Hpasp]
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Is that true? Could you check it with your sources?
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#3511998 - 02/05/12 02:04 PM
Re: SAM Simulator
[Re: piston79]
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Is that true? Could you check it with your sources? I do not understand it, please translate.
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