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#3202301 - 02/08/11 03:06 PM SAM Simulator
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I opened this topic, to receive feedback, and answer questions about the SAM Simulator, that can be downloaded from here:
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home


In the row: SA-75M Dvina (SA-2F), S-75M3-OP Volhov (SA-2E), S-125M1 Neva (SA-3B), 2K11-M1 KRUG-M1 (SA-4B), S-200VE Vega-E (SA-5B)

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#3202312 - 02/08/11 03:18 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]
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One announcement,

There were a voting ongoing at several forums, about the possible SAMSIM development paths...

1, Add ZSU-23-4V1 Shilka, with the 1986 El Dorado Canyon, and some War of Attrition scenarios.
2, Add SA-75MK Dvina with realistic Vietnam and War of Attrition scenarios.
3, Add the NASA Digital Elevation Model, to have realistic ground clutter.

The result is that more than 55% of votes were given to option 3.
Interestingly, all the ex-Fire Control Officers, who used to test the SAMSIM, were also voted to option 3, so we were missing the simulation of an important factor so far.

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While Fighter Pilots made movies, SAM Officers made History.
(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
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#3202384 - 02/08/11 04:21 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]
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I'm also interested in what ranks would operate the systems. I'd also be interested in information regarding the educational process of SAM operators. What types of schools teach operators, etc.

So some quick history of the Hungarian Vega Site...

During the November of 1978, the decision was made to create the WarPact Vega belt, and Hungary should participate with one site.


1980 November, a Soviet expert team arrived, to find the best location to the site, and they selected Mezofalva.
1985 April, the 3month system training was held at Gatchina (near Leningrad) for 103 person.
(33 officer, 8 nco, 15 military high-school student, and 47 enlisted)

The building of the site was in considerable delay, the original deadline was end of 1985.

1986 April, the two Vega system arrived in 13 train, all together 200 wagon.
After installation, the system was put on alert by 1st of Sept, 1986.

1987 They had the live firing in Asuluk.

The organization consisted 603 person...
76 officer,
52 non commissioned officers
422 enlisted
53 civilian staff

The site was leaded by a lieutenant-colonel, and the two firing battery by Majors.



Edited by Hpasp (02/08/11 04:22 PM)
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While Fighter Pilots made movies, SAM Officers made History.
(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
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#3202555 - 02/08/11 07:36 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]
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Hmm, I see. Ok, next question!

I've started playing around with the SA-3, as I've never been very good with it and would like to become proficient. While re-exploring the system I found two switches that aren't covered by the manual, but seem to have some kind of effect. What if anything do these switches do?


Does switch 1 have something to do with nuclear armed missiles? That sure looks like a radiation symbol. I can't really venture a guess for switch 2. All I know is the first two positions are the RB light, and the third position is the H2 light.

Also, on the SA-2, why is the radar guidance switch set to K while the missile guidance switches are set to T/T? I still play with it here and there, and I constantly forget to set it to T/T due to the missiles defaulting to T/T. :/

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#3202607 - 02/08/11 08:37 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]
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Hi again! I am loving the Vega. You did a great job.

I am curious, which mapping software have you been using to create maps such as the one above?

Cheers,
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#3202766 - 02/09/11 01:24 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]
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Curious about the Vega/Asuluk - the search radar appears to be in the centre of the Asuluk firing centre - according to the Search radar and map-overlay.
However, according to the IADS the battery is located some 300km to the SE in the Caspian Sea.

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#3202797 - 02/09/11 03:46 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: NaiseFail]
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Does switch 1 have something to do with nuclear armed missiles?

No, the Neva system had no nuclear tipped missiles. Its range was too low for this purpose.
Just remember the real nuclear switches at the Volhov and the Vega has no "atomic" symbol at all.

That "channel 1,2" selector is just the inbuilt voice comm selector switch.
At the Volhov, you find these at the middle of the "q" screen, as a long row of switches.
(there, all the cabins could be selected one-by-one)

I can't really venture a guess for switch 2. All I know is the first two positions are the RB light, and the third position is the H2 light.

After the realization of the "ergonomic disaster state" of the Volhov system, (to be fair, for an expert user it gives more options, but for a lesser trained, it is way too complex to use it under stress) the development direction was aimed toward automation.

Even the developers planned that the Neva would launch only automatically when all the parameters are met.
(this was rejected by the military, so the manual launch possibility was included)

Back to the question...

Just remember how complex was the radio proximity fuse setting in the Volhov?
That switch is this at the Neva.

The leftmost setting "RV-SB" is the default automatic mode.
In this mode, the setting of the proximity fuse is automatically depending on the target altitude.
Either "SB" selector block against low altitude targets, or "RV" normal for full sensivity.

The middle setting "RV" is a manual mode, for full sensivity.

The rightmost "K3" is the same as the Volhov, detonate on radio command.

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Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

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While Fighter Pilots made movies, SAM Officers made History.
(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
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#3202816 - 02/09/11 04:36 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: NaiseFail]
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Also, on the SA-2, why is the radar guidance switch set to K while the missile guidance switches are set to T/T? I still play with it here and there, and I constantly forget to set it to T/T due to the missiles defaulting to T/T. :/

"radar guidance switch set to K"
What switch, and where?
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Edited by Hpasp (02/09/11 04:38 AM)
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Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

While Fighter Pilots made movies, SAM Officers made History.
(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
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#3202818 - 02/09/11 04:38 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: PLCC]
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Thanks.
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Google Earth.
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Hpasp
Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

While Fighter Pilots made movies, SAM Officers made History.
(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
thumbsup

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#3202824 - 02/09/11 04:41 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Lieste]
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according to the IADS the battery is located some 300km to the SE in the Caspian Sea.

Can you please be a bit more specific?
eek2
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Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

While Fighter Pilots made movies, SAM Officers made History.
(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
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