#3161935 - 12/21/10 06:53 AM
Re: S-75M3 Volhov qualification day
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How to acquire and track a target with the Vega in three coordinates, using IADS for the range information... "q" on the top right corner of the plotting board click at the number of the target. (start IADS target acquisition) "x" at the right side, between the joystick, and the wheel click the black button "CU" to track target using the IADS, in elevation and azimuth. (green lamps should stop blinking, when the RPC (NATO Code: Square Pair) is rotated towards the target) "c" in the middle, click on the two "CU" button to track target using the IADS, in range and speed. (green lamps should stop blinking, when the RPC (NATO Code: Square Pair) is set to the speed and range of the target) "w" at the right side of the top panel is a guarded switch. Click on it (4 times) with the left mouse button, until the red lamp illuminates above it. (now you are transmitting) "c" in the left, click on the a black button with "AC3" label below it. The red lamp labeled "V" should indicate, that the target is auto tracked in AC3 mode, and the Lissajous curve should appear on the indicators. (AC3 means target tracking in 3 coordinates, azimuth, elevation and speed)
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#3162148 - 12/21/10 03:44 PM
Re: S-75M3 Volhov qualification day
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After I install this my facebook.com dont work anymore...it has "cookies must be enable" but my cookies are already enable...do anyone know how to fix? I don't use Facebook, but right now I think you are lucky that it installed. I'm getting a Error 52 on installation...
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#3162197 - 12/21/10 04:32 PM
Re: S-75M3 Volhov qualification day
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The resolution no longer is required to be 1280x1024 - so if you have never given it a look before it is worth a look now. Phantastic! Great work. THX
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#3162397 - 12/21/10 07:20 PM
Re: S-75M3 Volhov qualification day
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Try to download it again. When you extract the rar, you should find the following files:
2010.12.17. 22:53 450'072'547 SAM.CAB 1998.06.18. 00:00 140'800 setup.exe 2010.12.17. 23:00 64'866 SETUP.LST
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#3163055 - 12/22/10 02:11 PM
Re: S-75M3 Volhov qualification day
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Try to download it again. When you extract the rar, you should find the following files:
2010.12.17. 22:53 450'072'547 SAM.CAB 1998.06.18. 00:00 140'800 setup.exe 2010.12.17. 23:00 64'866 SETUP.LST
A System Restore allowed me to install the sim - I guess something just got knocked out of kilter. Thanks.
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#3165040 - 12/24/10 10:21 PM
Re: S-75M3 Volhov qualification day
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KUB is still fielded by the Hungarian Armed Forces, so its operation is still a Hungarian National Secret. Our fielded version is a heavily upgraded one to NATO standards, but I wouldn't touch it, until it is completely removed from service, and I can simulate it properly. Hoho! my bad i was not aware! Whatever is for the good of Hungarian National Security o> :P These would be the original KUB not BUK systems? If you used the early Kub that was exported to the Arab countries, could you get away with it? In any case, amazing work! I hope this simulator will one day include all Legacy soviet SAM systems I would do anything for a S-400 sim but hey you don't want to give those Americans help for that :P Is it normal that i can acquire and shoot down a F-117 with a V-75? I mean it is at least as hard if not harder than with a S-125 (i'd say easier because you can do anything with the V-75's radar, normal Mr. Z. D. used a Spoon Rest) but is it realistic? Just asking because i am incredulous, i would had loved to have had a real shot at it XD If i ever become millionaire i will kill time by scaring trainee fighter pilots #%&*$# by locking them on a Soviet/ComBloc Radar for ten seconds. No harm done, right? Just some better training! That's what i'll say to the air force officers who come to visit me a few hours later, before offering them a drink and a tour of the surplus soviet radar i bought on the Internet PS Thanks for the Vega instructions! Can't wait for the final version, but even more, documentation :P
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#3165310 - 12/25/10 09:18 AM
Re: S-75M3 Volhov qualification day
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I hope this simulator will one day include all Legacy soviet SAM systemsThat is the plan. Is it normal that i can acquire and shoot down a F-117 with a V-75? Yes, but several factors are to be considered. 1,The simulator has the S-75M3 Volhov (SA-2E) the most advanced, "WarPac" only version. During most of the wars the less capable SA-75M Dvina (SA-2F), the "export" version was participated. (It is planned to be added after the Vega) 2, Each WarPac nations air defense units had to pass the Asuluk live shooting exam yearly. If they failed, that was bad news, even to the defense minister... From 1988, the target RM-217 Zvezda was used. It represented the characteristics of the F-117A Stealth plane. In Hungary we have several battery commanders, who shot the Zvezda at Asuluk, as part of their exam. So it was a requirement to be able to shot the stealth, but it is only true for the "WarPac" version. With the Dvina, you will have no chance. 3, At that night when the real F117 was shot beside Simanovci over Serbia, the weather forbidden to fly the F16CJ SEAD planes, so the target could be searched for longer time. Usually the rule was during Operation Allied Force, that if you illuminate more than 20sec, you could be shot at, and if you illuminate more than 40sec, than you will be surely killed by HARM or GBU.
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#3171164 - 01/04/11 01:42 AM
Re: S-75M3 Volhov qualification day
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Mr. Z. D. wink used a Spoon RestCol. Zoltan Dani used the P-18 Spoon Rest to acquire the Stealth, and than used the SNR-125M1 Low Blow to track it, and to guide two V601 missiles onto it. Col. Zoltan Dani at the left side of the picture, I'm holding a piece of the downed F117A. The man himself! It's always great to be able to put a face on those War Heroes. Especially interesting since it happened not long ago. At least, seems like yesterday and i was only a kiddo. And i want a chip of that piece of F-117! I wish..
Yes, but several factors are to be considered.
1,The simulator has the S-75M3 Volhov (SA-2E) the most advanced, "WarPac" only version. During most of the wars the less capable SA-75M Dvina (SA-2F), the "export" version was participated. (It is planned to be added after the Vega)
2, Each WarPac nations air defense units had to pass the Asuluk live shooting exam yearly. If they failed, that was bad news, even to the defense minister... From 1988, the target RM-217 Zvezda was used. It represented the characteristics of the F-117A Stealth plane. In Hungary we have several battery commanders, who shot the Zvezda at Asuluk, as part of their exam.
So it was a requirement to be able to shot the stealth, but it is only true for the "WarPac" version. With the Dvina, you will have no chance.
3, At that night when the real F117 was shot beside Simanovci over Serbia, the weather forbidden to fly the F16CJ SEAD planes, so the target could be searched for longer time. Usually the rule was during Operation Allied Force, that if you illuminate more than 20sec, you could be shot at, and if you illuminate more than 40sec, than you will be surely killed by HARM or GBU.
1. Cool! I'm impatient to see what is the real difference in performance. Not just on paper, but in-game performance. It did seem too easy, in the historical scenarios. It is easy to see that had the Vietnamese Air Defence had had the Soviet Version american losses would have been dramatically higher, especially had they been able to field SA-3/S-125s. (Using NATO designations: A Bad Habit that's hard to Kick LOL) 2. Amazing. The myth of Stealth invincibility is clearly that, a myth. WarPac air defences where nothing to laugh at, even in a stealth bomber. I certainly would not have tried a young man's 1991 exploit of flying a cessna from Finland to the Red Square; i wouldn't have like the chance to have a S-300 or other flying telephone poles directed at me. 3. Will you implement the B-2 Spirit bomber?
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#3172131 - 01/05/11 02:03 PM
Re: S-75M3 Volhov qualification day
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1. Cool! I'm impatient to see what is the real difference in performance. Not just on paper, but in-game performance. It did seem too easy, in the historical scenarios. It is easy to see that had the Vietnamese Air Defence had had the Soviet Version american losses would have been dramatically higher, especially had they been able to field SA-3/S-125s. (Using NATO designations: A Bad Habit that's hard to Kick LOL)Using NATO designations is OK, but sometimes they are misleading. Typical is the mixing of several systems by the SA-2 designation. SA-2A/B/F Dvina SA-2C Desna SA-2E Volhov SA-2D that not existed 2. Amazing. The myth of Stealth invincibility is clearly that, a myth. WarPac air defences where nothing to laugh at, even in a stealth bomber. I certainly would not have tried a young man's 1991 exploit of flying a cessna from Finland to the Red Square; i wouldn't have like the chance to have a S-300 or other flying telephone poles directed at me.I would not call it a myth, rather a huge technical achievement. To have an F4 Phantom sized plane with an RCS of a tennis ball, is really a breakthrough. Serious military never called the stealth invisible, just the press over-hyped it. The truth is that old metric wavelength target acquisition radars (P12/18 Spoon Rest, P14 Tall King) can track it, but only from severally reduced range. Newer dm wavelength target acquisition and height finder radars will have hard time to see it at all. Fire control radars can also track it (with their huge power output in small area of the sky), but first they should know, where to look for it. Might not be well known, that with the SA3B fire control radar (SNR-125M1 Low Blow), even an eagle (bird) could be auto-tracked... If the Stealth technology is used properly (F16CJ's around) than the fire control radars will not have enough time to find it (as the altitude info about the Stealth is always missing). 3. Will you implement the B-2 Spirit bomber? winkIm currently collecting information about the war over Serbia (1999 Operation Allied Force), so those events are on the cards for the future.
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#3172241 - 01/05/11 04:05 PM
Re: S-75M3 Volhov qualification day
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Stupid question incoming! In this tutorial http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fU1m9hMNiog the operator try to lock on a jamming target. Unsuccessfully. So he turns the transmitter off, locks on the jamming signal, puts the height manually in the I-87B and then lets the missiles fly. The transmitter is still off. Why do he see missiles and the debris on the Fan Song indicators? I expected he would see nothing. Maybe the jamming would stop, if the jamming equipment was on the targeted aircraft. I mean, he transmits nothing. So why do he see anything, except jamming signal?
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#3172271 - 01/05/11 04:38 PM
Re: S-75M3 Volhov qualification day
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Very good question. It is a bug. I will be corrected for the next release.
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#3172870 - 01/06/11 11:59 AM
Re: S-75M3 Volhov qualification day
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One more on that: in Hanoi scenario you can sometimes see "burn through" if the jamming target comes close enough - but without switching the transmitter on! I thought the essence of jamming was to deny range info, not to provide it. A bug? Next: when launching SA-2 at a close target moving with a "high parameter" (resulting in big angular velocity), the missile signal just after leaving the launcher appears close to the line-of-sight, then suddenly "jumps" aside, close to the view window, and then needs a few seconds to regain this position. I think I understand what effect is being modelled, but maybe in a bit more linear way? One on Neva: did you attempt to simulate failed launches (as they inevitable happen)? It often appears when using a missile from launcher no. 2. Missile disappears from the "readiness" light but is not caught by tracking antenna. Under failed launch I also understand the failure to "catch" a correctly (in a kinematic sense) flying missile. And on Krug: how about reloading? In Ashuluk transloaders are available, but no corresponding switches in the manual Now getting a bit inquisitive about ARM (Shrike/ Standard) use simulated at Hanoi: 1) to get the guy launch one you must directly illuminate him (no matter whether tracking or not). OK, but if an ARM homes on sidelobes (to simplify a bit), you should expect receiving an ARM at much greater angles (above 180 deg. from LOS, I suppose) as soon as you transmit. To have a practical picture - the guy launches an ARM only when you see it. I do not have problem with transmitting most of my time at Hanoi - and surviving. 2) A guy can launch an ARM while jamming at the same time. Peter Skarus wrote the jamming should be switched off before launching an ARM in order for the seeker to lock on SNR and not to be ruined by own jammer (using the same frequency!). Could you comment on that?
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Exodus
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