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#3168418 - 12/30/10 06:45 PM Are Rof German plans much better ?  
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If the German planes in WW1 were as good as they are in ROF the Germans would have won the war. When I fly most of the German planes in Free Fly (1 vrs 1) I win many battles . When I fly GB an french planes I always get shot down in the first battle. No matter which one i fly.

Were the German plans as a whole that much better or is it just the way the AI for each side is programmed?

The first plane for the german AI is always the FokkerDr1 and it can always turn and get behind me and i am a sitting duck..

Flying a DR1 I have been able to shoot down as many as 6 planes befor coming up aginst a rear gunner aircraft which we all know is the deadlyiest ace in ROF.


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#3168428 - 12/30/10 06:59 PM Re: Are Rof German plans much better ? [Re: Pawgy]  
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Try taking out an Alb DIII against a Camel

#3168431 - 12/30/10 07:01 PM Re: Are Rof German plans much better ? [Re: Pawgy]  
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Excuse me but from your post it seems you are a beginner in ROF so i think you should try and read forums to learn more about planes and my biggest advice is to try MP...you'll discover lot's of things smile

#3168449 - 12/30/10 07:22 PM Re: Are Rof German plans much better ? [Re: Ogami_musashi]  
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Originally Posted By: Ogami_musashi
Excuse me but from your post it seems you are a beginner in ROF so i think you should try and read forums to learn more about planes and my biggest advice is to try MP...you'll discover lot's of things smile


not quite a beginner but close. Maybe 200 flights. Just a very poor flyer probably.. Don't have a clue as to what MP is . I fly strickly for fun and mot on line ,ever. Read lots and lots of forums and all ww1 flying books i could find in the libary. If I was a real flyer in ww1 i would be dead many times over and so would most of the other who fly here. Is is just a very fun flying game on the computer. not the real thing and never will be. And you did not come close to answering myquestion but thanks for your reply. Btw , I see you have lots of posts an this forum. .

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#3168470 - 12/30/10 07:49 PM Re: Are Rof German plans much better ? [Re: Pawgy]  
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Originally Posted By: Pawgy
Originally Posted By: Ogami_musashi
Excuse me but from your post it seems you are a beginner in ROF so i think you should try and read forums to learn more about planes and my biggest advice is to try MP...you'll discover lot's of things smile


not quite a beginner but close. Maybe 200 flights. Just a very poor flyer probably.. Don't have a clue as to what MP is . I fly strickly for fun and mot on line ,ever. Read lots and lots of forums and all ww1 flying books i could find in the libary. If I was a real flyer in ww1 i would be dead many times over and so would most of the other who fly here. Is is just a very fun flying game on the computer. not the real thing and never will be. And you did not come close to answering myquestion but thanks for your reply. Btw , I see you have lots of posts an this forum. .


My advice was:

1/try and read the forums to learn more about the planes:

Some entente planes are Boom and Zoom planes; If you try to turn with Central planes especially DR.I you are dead for sure.

2/Try MP:

It helps a lot finding the different strengths of planes and you'll discover that the turn planes of Entente side are not less performant that german ones.


No offense in my posts.

#3168471 - 12/30/10 07:49 PM Re: Are Rof German plans much better ? [Re: Brigstock]  
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Try taking out an Alb DIII against a Camel


Thanks, I like that match up. I flew the camel and got the ALbie in a few minutes.

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#3168476 - 12/30/10 07:56 PM Re: Are Rof German plans much better ? [Re: Ogami_musashi]  
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quote=Ogami_musashi]My advice was:

1/try and read the forums to learn more about the planes.
Some entente planes are Boom and Zoom planes; If you try to turn with Central planes especially DR.I you are dead for sure.

2/Try MP:

It helps a lot finding the different strengths of planes and you'll discover that the turn planes of Entente side are not less performant that german ones.


No offense in my posts.

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Thanks . I still miss what MP is?

#3168480 - 12/30/10 08:03 PM Re: Are Rof German plans much better ? [Re: Pawgy]  
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Originally Posted By: Pawgy
Originally Posted By: Ogami_musashi
My advice was:

1/try and read the forums to learn more about the planes.
Some entente planes are Boom and Zoom planes; If you try to turn with Central planes especially DR.I you are dead for sure.

2/Try MP:

It helps a lot finding the different strengths of planes and you'll discover that the turn planes of Entente side are not less performant that german ones.


No offense in my posts.



Thanks . I still miss what MP is?


Multiplayer.

You have basically two type of servers: Dogfight servers with small maps; The actual most popular one is a japanese one were you can select any plane of the set (so you can fight entente planes flying an entente plane or vice versa with Central planes); The other type is Coop (cooperative) servers where you select either Entente or Central side and a general mission is assigned to each side (protect bombers, or recon planes, detroy bridges, factory; establish local air superiority etc..); those are servers with large maps where missions are long but can be quite complex especially since ROF has a bomber (soon a second one, the Gotha) where any player can take different positions in the plane (pilot, gunners).
The reference server is called "Syndicate"; If you join there around 10:00 PM GMT you'll find several pilots in a friendly atmosphere and there you'll be able to learn and try different tactics for different aircrafts.


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#3168487 - 12/30/10 08:18 PM Re: Are Rof German plans much better ? [Re: Pawgy]  
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#3168555 - 12/30/10 10:11 PM Re: Are Rof German plans much better ? [Re: Pawgy]  
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Pawgy, the Entente planes are a bit harder to master because of features like mixture and blip , but when you start flying with full engine management they are a lot of fun, and deadly.


The hardest thing is learning how to fight with energy fightrers, the SE5a and the Spad. They won't usually win a turn fight, so you need to fly to their strengths, which is energy fighting. This is very hard, but then the Entente planes become almost unbeatable.

#3168683 - 12/31/10 01:36 AM Re: Are Rof German plans much better ? [Re: Pawgy]  
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Short answer: Yes. German planes are "better."

Long answer: If "better" means "easier to fly." The Germans stressed over and over again that their scouts be easy to fly - that is, act well behaved.

However, they cost more and take longer to build than English or French planes (in the main). And, as always, it came down to numbers and pilots. Who could replace them faster?

As to why the Germans lost the war, you'll have to grab a book or two. I'd recommend S.L.A. Marshall's excellent WWI history to start with.

Hint: air power had as much to do with victory or loss as did the penmanship quality of the Kaiser's wife's dressmaker.


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#3168736 - 12/31/10 03:57 AM Re: Are Rof German plans much better ? [Re: Dart]  
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Originally Posted By: Dart
Hint: air power had as much to do with victory or loss as did the penmanship quality of the Kaiser's wife's dressmaker.


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#3168821 - 12/31/10 09:40 AM Re: Are Rof German plans much better ? [Re: Pawgy]  
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I agree with Dart.

I don't know if I would clasify German planes as "better".....just more user-friendly for the beginner.


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#3168825 - 12/31/10 09:59 AM Re: Are Rof German plans much better ? [Re: Pawgy]  
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It depends on your style, for me boom n zoom style so the SPAD is the best plane in the game, followed by SE5a then D7f.

The camel is a great turn fighter but not as good as a well flown Dr1.

So in turning central is best, in BnZ allied is best.

Also note that allied planes are generally better at lower altitude, and where do most battles end up when you trade alt for energy? Also if you need to escape and dive away, you are going down to the allies preferred altitude.

#3168871 - 12/31/10 12:49 PM Re: Are Rof German plans much better ? [Re: Pawgy]  
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Originally Posted By: Pawgy
Thanks, I like that match up. I flew the camel and got the ALbie in a few minutes.


He said fly the Albatros against the Sopwith Camel, not the Camel against the Albatros. Try attacking a Sopwith Camel while you are flying an Albatros. You'll see that the German aircraft aren't necessarily better than the Allied ones.

#3168929 - 12/31/10 02:35 PM Re: Are Rof German plans much better ? [Re: Pawgy]  
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A properly flown Camel feels like a Jet Fighter against almost everything else. No enemy AI will ever want to go into a right-hand dogfight with you.

But obviously the German In-Line engines are easier to handle, easier to turn with, so I very much like my Pfalz D.III

#3168931 - 12/31/10 02:40 PM Re: Are Rof German plans much better ? [Re: Pawgy]  
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I don't think the Sopwith Camel feels like a jet fighter. A jet fighter behaves a lot nicer, if nothing else. The closest thing to a jet fighter in this sim would be the Fokker D.VIIF. Fast, great climb, no spin tendency, almost can't stall it at all, and an ability to sustain crazy climbing turns.

#3168981 - 12/31/10 04:18 PM Re: Are Rof German plans much better ? [Re: Pawgy]  
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For my money, nothing comes close to the SPAD XIII in the Hun lineup until the DVII.


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#3169007 - 12/31/10 05:01 PM Re: Are Rof German plans much better ? [Re: Josh Echo]  
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Originally Posted By: Josh Echo
Originally Posted By: Pawgy
Thanks, I like that match up. I flew the camel and got the ALbie in a few minutes.


He said fly the Albatros against the Sopwith Camel, not the Camel against the Albatros. Try attacking a Sopwith Camel while you are flying an Albatros. You'll see that the German aircraft aren't necessarily better than the Allied ones.


I understand what he said ,thats why I reversed it and found the Camel much better so I could easily shoot down the Albertros. I have not made very many eaasy kills in ROF.


Pawgy


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#3169010 - 12/31/10 05:09 PM Re: Are Rof German plans much better ? [Re: Dart]  
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Originally Posted By: Dart
Short answer: Yes. German planes are "better."

Long answer: If "better" means "easier to fly." The Germans stressed over and over again that their scouts be easy to fly - that is, act well behaved.

However, they cost more and take longer to build than English or French planes (in the main). And, as always, it came down to numbers and pilots. Who could replace them faster?

As to why the Germans lost the war, you'll have to grab a book or two. I'd recommend S.L.A. Marshall's excellent WWI history to start with.

Hint: air power had as much to do with victory or loss as did the penmanship quality of the Kaiser's wife's dressmaker.



Thanks dart. I thought this was a very appropiate answer.

If i new how to multi quote I would try for more replys in one post.

Thanks for all the good replys.

Happy New Year 2011

Pawgy

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