A brief description of all TESTED and READY FOR USE
customizations and innovations in Comanche Gold

- Fourth CG MOD from Kevin Bax and Flyboy - allows the game to run on Windows7 and Windows Vista directly!

- Third CG MOD from Flyboy - changes the original comanche sounds with the sounds from Comanche4

- Second CG MOD from DavidC99:
unlocks in game menu and gives a possibility to save your game,
an option to watch, takeover and continue your saved game,
dives no damage player.

- First CG MOD from Flyboy:
unlocks in game menu that allows 1024x768 res and doubles
the terrain and object details.

- Virtual Computers:
VirtualPC,VirtualBox,Parallels Workstation and VMware Workstation
allow the Game to overcome all hardware and OS limitations.

- PPJoystick by Deon van der Westhuysen for real or virtual 98,XP,Vista,7 OS
allows to use in the Game your mouse instead of a joystick.

- 5 custom missions from "Command Group 07"
and Theron Jackson - standard
Mission Editor.

- 2 custom missions from DavidC99
with many innovations.

- 1 custom mission from Dolores
with many innovations.

- 13 custom missions from ufolev - standard
Mission Editor.First New Custom maded
Comanche Gold Campaign.

- Online Multiplayer via KALI with the great help of ADHS.

Add the following features:

• TCP/IP support.
• Manual IP selection to join.
• Automatic IP selection via Novaworld.
• Windows 7 multiplayer support by way of TCP/IP.

Forgive the poor quality as I was in a hurry, but here's a sample of the game running in Windows 7 in multiplayer via TCP/IP:



I tested this myself, and have cracked the IP encoding scheme that was used by the game. Now we can join by IP and use TCP/IP. This means, if we choose, we can effectively ditch Kali.

Now granted, I had a whole list of connection issues and troubles, but I did manage to get it to connect by placing both machines on the same subnet, disabling all firewalls between them, etc. etc.. It may not be perfect, and it may take more testing, but I did manage a connection, and that is the important part.

What is the point of having TCP over IPX? Well, for one, Windows 7 doesn't support IPX, so that means Windows 7 users can't play over Kali unless they do this hackish IPX installation which has only been reported, to my knowledge, to work for the 32-bit version of Windows 7. Windows 7 users can, however, play over TCP. By figuring out how the game allows for TCP/IP, we can now include Windows 7 users in the game for online sessions.

The next steps:

• Make the game run on Windows 7 with the CD.
• Figure out if we want to switch to TCP/IP to accommodate some Windows 7 users.
  • Bad side:Hosting will be a major issue for some, as the host has to make sure all of his settings are perfect.
  • Good side:People joining won't have to worry about most connection settings. Just set it and go. Practically all issues are placed upon the host.

I say we give it a try at least!

You got it to connect! Congratulations! By the way, DavidC99 and myself spent over 5 hours last night on Kali discussing and testing all this. When it got to 4.00am my time, I decided to bug out. I'm pleased David stayed on and got some success.

I think I'm almost there with the connection issues.

Ports needed by hosts and clients:

• Inbound and outbound 2300-2400 TCP

Port needed by hosts only:

• Inbound 47624 TCP

Port needed by client only:

• Outbound 47624 TCP

There may be more ports to open. I believe that users with simple network environments will be able to work this out just fine in general. For those who care, this is what the game actually appears to do:

1. Host begins waiting for connections.
2. Client attempts to join.
3. Connection is made, or else the entire attempt dies.
4. Host attempts to start a new connection to client.
5. Connection is made, or else the entire attempt dies.
6. Client attempts to start a new connection to host.
7. Connection is made, or else the entire attempt dies.
8. The client has now joined the session.

This is a very stupid method in my opinion. The host should be receive a connection, accept it, and that's that. There's no reason for multiple connections like this -- and certainly no reason whatsoever to have the client and host each initiate their own connections, as that requires clients explicitly to open ports for incoming connections -- and it sounds like it'll make it difficult for people on the same LAN to get in on gaming sessions.

Nevertheless, this appears to be what we've got. If all goes well, we'll be able to use either NovaWorld's system -- which still appears to work to some degree, by the way -- or else I can provide a program later that will enable a player either to host a game or join by IP, or even both.

I got this up and running on my end despite all of my own security issues. I'll need someone with a fair bit of knowledge of being able to open ports on his own system to test this with me, preferably on TS3 so we don't have to worry about seeing a chat window while the game is running and we're messing with settings. Once we have this set up, we'll be good to go live.

Good news is that Windows 7 users will be able to play Comanche Gold multiplayer natively without all of this virtualization and go-between software, as long as someone else with a CD is playing on the session.

So it would appear you're not thinking of using Hamachi then? I thought with that it would basically be objective complete.

Hamachi is more geared toward private groups, being a program essentially to create a VPN. I was under the impression that we want a more public atmosphere, allowing anyone to get in on our sessions. If we use Hamachi then anyone who wants to game with us will have to be allowed to join our virtual network -- and that's not the ideal solution.

If we can get this to work with just opening a few ports, it's probably a safer and more advisable option.

I got Comanche Gold to Load and Play / Fly in Windows Vista. It needs some modding and work, taking time, but doable and should be repacked in a week to play with all terrains / missions unlocked.

First install the Comanche Gold Demo and then open it's root folder to do the modding / have your Comanche Gold Disk in the Disk Drive....




You have to mod the Setup.cd file to where your Comanche Gold Disk is at: Default was C: for the Demo. D: or consecutive for your CDROM or another one pertaining to where your game runs from. This plays the intro videos and unlocks the folders to play the missions.

It involves modding the Demo folder, using Ravens PFF Utility and finding the file in the Cgold.PFF called IDEMO.MNU and placing Fly Boy's WC3.MNU in the demo root folder ( as it over rides the packed one when loading) and renaming it to IDEMO to over write the IDEMO.MNU and then some editing by notepad in the top of the file headers of Fly Boy's file WC3.MNU file to open all missions / unlock them for play so the default menu will have all missions available to click on.

It loads and runs fine and has the higher resolutions without problems / lag.

The PFF file in the demo called: Cgold.pff needs to be repacked with the files or replaced by your disk's PFF files using the PFF packing / Raven's Pff utility.

Endstate: It loads and runs on Vista. It will require repacking the Cgold.pff from my Comanche Gold's game's cd pff for all of the mission guidelines and to run when comparing the WC3.MNU to IDEMO.MNU and going into the terrains / files of the .PFF.

It is doable and will just take some time to repack the appropriate files to meet the coding parameters.

Thanks DavidC99, FlyBoy and ufolev for the initial ideas and talk throughs.

Additionally, you can use 7Z zip program to look at exe's and unpack accordingly to mod.

El_Lobo - you might just be a genius! If you could write up a step-by-step guide on how to do this procedure and provide the modded IDEMO.MNU, I will surely - if it's OK with you - add it to my site where you will get full credit for this particular find.

I had got so far with this idea of using demo files in the full game, but got stuck after I got a revert to main menu after the mission should have loaded.

Does the menu music and in-game music work?

Awesome dude!

Oh, and welcome to the forums!

I tried to run some simple tests with simplifying some of these steps on Windows XP, but I naturally could not get it to load a mission because I didn't repackage nor did I extract everything as required (since this would take a really long time). One problem I was able to identify with this is that the Demo exe doesn't appear to allow for the secondary DirectSound option. No matter what the Wsetup.cfg file says, it appears to grab the primary one. This mainly means comms are dead in the water for this new patched version unless I'm missing something... Since the demo is stripped down, I imagine we might be missing other features as well.

The underlying issue is that the Comanche Gold executable is doing something stupid (ie. probably bug-induced stupidity) soon after it detects that you have the CD loaded in the game. This is causing a crash on Vista and Windows 7, but not on Windows XP. The ideal solution is to identify what causes the crash and then provide a patch for it.

I would be all over this solution provided here today, but for two reasons:

1. As already stated, the Demo exe lacks.
2. The amount of work to downgrade CG to be Vista/Windows 7 compatible is a lot. It requires a massive restructuring of the PFF files -- or at least a lot of extracting.

Nevertheless, this might be a sort of simple fix for those interested. Not only that, but we could seriously write an auto-extractor or auto-repacker tool that could apply this fix as needed.

Won't the extracted/modded files simply work if placed in the CG Demo install folder like for the full game?

I don't believe the demo looks for any PFF file except CGold.pff. You would have to extract everything from Resource.pff and KDV.pff -- not to mention the extra files from Comanche Gold's CGold.pff file. Whether you repack them or not into a new CGold.pff is up to you, of course...

Ah OK. So what you're saying is I can have several hundred loose files sitting in the demo folder OR I can take several hours to repack them all into the CGOLD.PFF file?

Not much choice then!

Hence why I suggested either:

1. We ditch this and patch the real problem; or else
2. We have a program do the packing and unpacking automatically.

The first option is the ideal one; the second one may be slightly more practical, at least in the short run, for users of Vista or Windows 7. If we could find a way to extract files from PFF files from the commandline (as opposed to using a graphical user interface, like the current PFF utility we're using), I could possibly supply a very simple script to automate the entire process.

I know why you suggested what you did - I was just explaining the situation in a literal sense - as if to highlight how impractical it would turn out to actually be!

I understand what you guys are saying.



I extracted and copied all of the PFF files to the demo directory - multi-selecting and dragging to select them all. After unpacking them and trying to run other missions, all I kept getting was error codes on file loading other than the original mission for the demo when trying to load the missions. It is not working.

The missiles and cannon bullets freeze on the screen in mid air and stay stationary. It worked for the one mission and then the others were not loading. It has to be the exe and internal parameters for resources to access.

Oh well it was worth a try to get it working in Vista. It is the Exe that must be modded as said earlier. I used 7-zip to look inside the Demo.exe and it had some interesting text. I did not compare it to the text in CG3.exe yet.

If you want to extract all files from the PFF utility, then the following might work:

1. Open all of the PFF files in question in the PFF utility that need to be extracted.
2. Select the first file in the list.
3. Move the scrollbar to be positioned at the bottom.
4. Shift-click the last entry.
5. Confirm that it appears every file is selected.
6. Extract. Note: If you want to cleanly pack them, move them to a directory one level inside your Comanche Gold directory. If you're using the Demo, this is a new directory inside the Demo director. For example, if the demo is located in C:\CGDemo then you could extract the files to C:\CGDemo\repack

If you'd like to take all of these extracted files and repack them via script into CGold.pff without doing it manually, then the following might work:

1. Backup a copy of CGold.pff.
2. Place the following script inside a .cmd file (as long as it has an extension of .cmd, it can be named almost anything) inside your CG directory (or the Demo directory if you're using that):
   Code:

   for /f %%a IN ('dir /A-D /b') do @call pack.exe CGolf.PFF repack\%%a

3. Replace "repack" in the script with the name of the directory you made earlier.
4. Run the script.

Disclaimer: Try this at your own risk. I haven't tested most of everything here.

Hi DavidC99,

Eugene and I tried Hamachi for CG trying to connect via IPX, and it didn't work. No surprise, while Hamachi USED to work for IPX connections in many games, it seems to have stopped. Whether this is a limitation on the Hamachi servers, or Microsoft patches to the IPX/SPX stack, I don't know. BUT your TCP/IP method seems like it should work over Hamachi as it does for Longbow2. In LB2, Hamachi overcomes a serious issue where connections will not work under normal conditions if the Host is behind a router.

Any way you could make your fix available for testing over Hamachi? We are both using Windows XP, so it should eliminate a lot of issues.

If you're still interested in it, what exactly are you asking me to release? Just the join-by-IP program I've written for Comanche Gold?

Yes, that would be a big help.

Kali has been down acouple of dayz now. Jay said he is working on getting it up and running soon. I'm interested in this program DavidC99 also. Would be a great back up plan.

Thx !

I'll try to release it soon. I've been busy, but an emergency happened this week that further cut back on my free time. Now that things are slowly winding down just a little bit, I'll try to work on this, since it's technically already done -- or very close to it.

Before I do, I should mention -- everyone ought to make sure they have their networks setup properly (ie. open the ports required...) or this isn't going to do much really. Also of note, you don't need Hamachi for this program to work. I suspect some people are using Hamachi solely for the purpose of firewall bypassing, which seems a little over-the-top in my opinion, but if it works and you guys are happy...

The reason I mentioned Hamachi was that one of your caveats was having the machines in the same subnet, which is probably impossible direct TCP/IP but could be accomplished with a Hamachi virtual network.

No, sorry, that's old news. I did discover the problem with that, and direct connections do work. I was able to play directly with Flyboy at one point using straight TCP/IP. The hard part is getting the ports open and forwarded as needed, since most people never have to do it.

That is good news!! Most of the folks I game with have all the default DirectPlay ports open already...plus others as games require non standard ports, so that should not be an issue.

However, it IS an issue as when David and myself connected he claimed to be having the time of his life while my game was very laggy and unsynchronized. We tried all the port forwarding, firewall hacking and everything and we simply couldn't get my end of the bargain to run smoothly. So, even though I appeared to have all the Windows Firewall settings entered and configured, we simply couldn't find the right ports to open in my router firewall. Bear in mind that we were both running on Win7 (I think David was) and that is indeed what this tool is intended for, direct TCP/IP connection on Windows Vista/7.

Recluse, I'm guessing that you are getting a bit excited over this tool so that basically you and Eugene can have a go at CG MP, right? As you know, me and you both have registered versions of Kali and we hooked up fine with that. It's only Eugene's stubborn-ness that won't allow him to get Kali! It does however appear that Kali has been offline for a while now though.

You know, coffee just isn't as good on a Sunday morning without the Comanche zippin through the Cool Desert Night chasing Grandpa around. Yup Kali's still down and I'm having withdrawls. any chance we can Beat test that puppy David .. hell I'll buy ya lunch?

Hi Mako, good to see you still posting here! I never did get what it was about that 'Cool Desert Night' map, I personally prefer Co-Op or at least a change of Head-2-Head map ONCE in a while!

Keep in mind, due to my lack of time after a real life emergency and subsequent rushing through this, this is not of the quality that I would prefer. I apologize. Any bugs or difficulties should be reported immediately, since I didn't really even run it through a proper testing phase.

Tool Release: CGoldIP

I have fixed it up a little bit since testing it with Flyboy, so it's good if people don't use the one that was being used privately during testing. Please consult the documentation inside. Read it very particularly, since this tool must be used as written or else there is a high chance it will not work.

Thanks David. Much appreciated.

Well, I guess we shall see! Kali being down for an extended period is a good reason to have a Plan B. Speaking of Plan B, I have been meaning to ask you this, and perhaps this thread is a good place to put forth the question:

Why was Comanche Gold rather than Comanche 4 (supposedly more advanced, though I have never had the experience) the focus of your intense MP efforts? Probably a simple answer, like, "NO MP COOP IN C4", but I thought I would ask

Well, Recluse, simply because CG is a classic that 'the few' have fond memories of and wanted to be able to play again online. And, for the fact that CG, as you know I've told you a thousand times before, models the Comanche much more realistically than in C4. OK so CG is not exactly LB2 for it's complexity, but as you also know from me telling you a thousand times before, the Comanche was so much more easier to fly and operate BECAUSE it was so advanced. In C4 you really are just flying an arcade first-person shooter, but in CG you do actually get to employ real tactics and the sensation of sitting 2 feet above ground level in a valley waiting for a Hind to blindly fly over the top of you before you rack his 'hind with the 20mm is simply unmatched. And graphically, although not hardware-accelerated like in C4, some feel that the graphics in CG are much more 'organic' and you get a really good sense of low-level detail and flight speed.

First of all... thx David for your time with the mod, appricate it bud. Can't wait to check it out.

Well said on your last post flyboy to Recluse, I was really torn apart to see how C4 was planned out and it only stayed on my pc for no longer than an hour... I was kinda upset with the purchase on that one especially when having high hopes with a CG upgrade. Made everyone realize how special this game "CG" was after all the hipe/ trailers of it. As you mentioned, the Cool Desert Night map is favored by me and Grandpa mostly because it is the shortest distance to the fight zone WP1 and I'm mainly a fighter, I like that map the best of all the other choices when it comes to Melee. I'm not saying I dislike Co-op missions and the other maps, I just like to fight in that Comanche around Maui.... and I waste no time getting there to battle it out with Grandpa, thatz what both of us like to do and we are both on the same page when we connect and get in our little room. So basically... my love for the game is in the fight in the Cool Dessert Night map.

And Recluse... I haven't forgot about ya, and I'll say it again as I did years ago, thx for sending me LB2.

Ya'll have great day !

10,001st time is the charm!

David, I joined SimHQ for the sole purpose of saying "THANK YOU!" for your work on this. I haven't actually connected with anyone for a game yet because it apparently doesn't work in Mako's Win98 machine, but I have no doubts that it will work equally to Kali.

What I did yesterday was get a connection between two applications of CG running in this machine. Of course all I could do was establish the connection and get into our usual "Cool Desert Night", but I'm convinced you've done a super job by just that.

You wouldn't believe how many hours I've spent searching for a means of directly connecting CG through the years because Kali, which has been our only way to get a network connection after Novalogic ended their support, has gone down many times as it is right now.

Great achievement! Most appreciated!

If his game is acting upon input from CGoldIP, but a connection fails to occur, then the problem is likely a network security problem. Blocked and/or non-forwarded ports could be an issue. Also, it could be that a software firewall hasn't granted both applications (ie. Comanche Gold and Direct X's network program) permission to access the Internet for both incoming and outgoing connections. The good news is that I didn't do anything too complicated with this program, so Windows 98 should be just fine.



I'm glad you thought of doing this. This was one of my own testing methods. For those who care but don't know already, an alias IP address for your own machine is always 127.0.0.1. This makes such testing somewhat easy no matter what your IP address actually is. Of course, this is only for internal testing from one machine to itself.

Perhaps we should try to get a TCP/IP party going on some time soon -- perhaps on the weekend -- and see how well TCP/IP works for Comanche Gold. We'll probably have to find a decent meeting place, like the SimHQ TS3 server.

One major problem is that Win98 doesn't recognize the P switch (set /p), so the join command has to be executed manually.

Another problem (from our telephone conversation) was that his browser keeps coming up even with those 'update' files deleted, but after my testing I don't think that's a problem. His CG stays minimized after running either the join or host command.

I put those files back here in XP Pro, then just closed the browser when it came up, and it worked perfectly. Also, selecting the client instead of the browser seems to work exactly the same.

I'm going to guess that Win98 just isn't capable, but then I haven't been at the keys of Win98, so I can't say for sure.

Thanks again!

Beat you to it! I was going to perhaps start a new topic for feedback on your program, but, I see posts are still being made here so I won't take the liberty of creating a new topic and will simply add here.


CGoldIP Program Report

Last night, Eugene, Recluse and myself had a chance meeting in TeamSpeak. Well, it was a chance meeting for me to them. Recluse and myself did a test run before Eugene finished what he was doing, and with Recluse hosting, I connected first time and we entered a mission.

Later, with Recluse hosting again, Eugene and I also connected first time (ahem, Eugene didn't quite have it figured FIRST time, but he got there). We played through two missions. Note that both Eugene and Recluse have Windows XP.

Now, Recluse and Eugene both reported some lag, but Eugene later reported pretty strong lag when my game was smooth.

As I was the only one running on Windows 7 - what your program was actually designed for, please allow me to add my side of the report...
Connection was flawless, therefore as far as your program goes - your mission is complete. However, the fact that I had Windows 7 presented its own problems.
* I had to change my desktop screen depth to 16-bit color as otherwise, in-game the whole screen was blues and pinks! (you knew this anyhow, just adding for sake of adding)
* As CG is technically 'broken' on Win7, I had no sound at all.

And because of my infamous router security, I had to turn OFF my router firewall to be able to connect. Just for the purposes of confirmation, I did also try to connect with it ON, but it would simply not do it.

So, summary-wise, here is how it is:

Program: What you promised to deliver you have done, perfectly. Nice job! However, the fact that the program was indeed made to be able to play CG online via TCP/IP on native Windows 7, well, this leads to another problem...

Windows 7/My Router: I, for one, was only able to connect with my router firewall turned OFF, even though I had all suggested ports opened in both my Windows and router firewalls, as well as the required programs allowed access through the Windows Firewall. Players will have to change their desktop color depth (OK no biggie). Players will experience no sound. Lag-wise, it was no better than with WinXP/Kali and in some cases I think it was worse. Switching between windowed and fullscreen, as well as changing screen res in-game, had a noticeable effect on client-side frame-rate drop.

The connection between Windows 7 to Windows XP machines has been confirmed as GO! Therefore the connection of Windows 7 to Windows 7 machines should be a GO! But the entire solution for CG MP via TCP/IP on native Windows 7 has not been met and there are still flaws to overcome. The fact that most of the issues encountered relate to Win7, it would appear that, at least for now, the CGoldIP program is a reasonable, lightweight alternative to Kali for people with, ironically, only Windows XP machines.

That concludes my report!

Hello Flyboy....

After my tests I'm going to predict there is no lag difference, because Kali is doing the exact same thing. Either way you are directly connected to the other player(s) through TCP/IP, only that Kali is using a bridge between IPX and TCP/IP.

Note that the Kali tracker (that's been down for days now) is only for establishing the connection. The IPX protocol used is with the Kali files that are installed in each computer.

When Mako gets this operational on his end I'll be able to report with accuracy because I know exactly how much lag is normal between us....

Take care....

Hi Grandpa and welcome to the forums!

I'm sure you'll be a valuable asset in accurately reporting any lag issues that occur when you're testing, and will no doubt be able to give David higher-quality assessments of his program than I could (from what I've gathered you are capable of).

Well Flyboy, you're probably giving me too much credit, but I have been playing CG on line since the dial-up days.

What you will not believe unless you've used a monitoring program is the extremely small amount of data exchange through an entire game. The speed of connections Vs lag doesn't really matter as I've played near perfect games through dial-up. What does matter that that no packets get lost, because the loss of just a few packets causes an 'out of synchronization', and the worst thing about CG is that it has no built in auto-synchronization. Providing the connection is solid enough the packets will eventually 'catch up', but it will never catch up through a less than stable path.

Since day one the most major complaint about CG has been the lag, which is actually just frame skipping. There has been many ideas, many different things tried, but the lag is part of it and will always be a part of it.

Still, in my opinion CG is the best game ever written. No, it's not so elaborate as most of the latest high-tech games and simulators, but no other offers what CG does.

Take care....

Here is a little modification i made playing with the AI files.

Uh oh, flogger83 has caught DavidC99's bug! He experimented with different player aircraft models, buy did you experience any animation or function issues? You obviously couldn't pull your landing gear up! Am I right?

Another member a short while back, Dolores I believe, found that AI files from Armored Fist 3 could be imported into Comanche Gold. Maybe something worth thinking about. Dolores never came back to tell us more about his/her tests though.

I see that was your first post, so, welcome to the forums!

Thanks flyboy. I was messing around with the playbuff.ai file i switch the comanche model with apache but the game crashed with an error message "attachment point missing" i renamed the apache.ai to the playbuff.ai but the game crashed again so i tried a little trick.
I renamed the apache.ai to deadefam.ai that is the AI file for a crashed comanche with external hardpoints.
The i started a mission, crashed my comanche and quickly turned on "IP Remote Control" on the edit bar then pressed F2 and it worked.
It workes with any AI file. But there are some problems you can't pull up the landing gear, can't fire any weapons and it's difficult to fly.

A few points regarding what some people have said:

• I supplied batch files to make it easier, but the real functionality is obviously in the program. I suppose I could write a workaround for the "set /p" part, but that seems tedious and not really worth it to put a lot of time into this aspect.
• Backing up and removing Browser.htm from the Comanche Gold directory might stop the browser from opening in Windows 98.
• Comanche Gold sound should be fine with Windows 7. You might want to check your Comanche Gold sound settings.
• The program itself doesn't cause any lag or even do anything directly over the Internet. When it minimizes, Comanche Gold essentially searches for instructions on how to proceed; my program merely supplies the desired information and terminates. If you experience any problems with lag or such, it's related to Comanche Gold and not likely anything to do with my program at all.

David, I didn't type any of that expecting extended work from you. It was merely meant to be for your information. Based on my tests it doesn't matter if the browser does come up. Just close it, run your program and it functions the same...

There's too many differences between Win98 and all the following versions to even get into. Of course you already know that, and, that it's very difficult (if not impossible) to make anything work in everything. You've done great!

In case anyone cares, Kali is back up. Just change the tracker address in the setup from "tracker.kali.net" to "tracker.kali.net:2213". Don't change anything else.

Later Y'all....

I was thinking -- I believe I noticed that if Internet Explorer is the default browser, Comanche Gold will open it. Otherwise, if you have Firefox or some other browser set as your default, it may not open it.

Well possibly you're right as I use Firefox, but as I said, it doesn't make any difference in XP anyway because CG opens into the selected join or host after closing the browser and executing the appropriate 'CMD' file. And, it has to do the same in Win98, if it's going to work. My old machine has a hard drive controller problem and won't boot up, or I would have already reported to you what's causing the issue.

Mako's email has been down for the last several days so we've been pretty well cut off on further experimenting. Note that we haven't given up yet.

Wasn't Comanche 4 the last game in the series?I still have it on CD.Wouldn't it be better to commit work on the most recent version or was Gold which I think was one of the older games a better product?I can't remember.Been a long time.

Yeah C4 was the last game in the series, but again, yeah, CG was a much better product. All C4 really had as an advantage over CG was graphics, but then again some old-skoolers even think that the CG graphics are more 'organic' and have more depth and feel than the fairly uninteresting 3D-accelerated C4 ones - especially terrain. This is indeed a very brief summary directly answering your questions, but if you'd like me to elaborate further - please tell me - I can talk about this sh*t for hours!

I found another fan who substitutes comanche with other aircrafts.





:-)

Cool!