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#3160256 - 12/18/10 06:36 PM
Re: Tron: Legacy
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SPOILERS, do not read if you haven't seen it! I'm still taking it in, but I left feeling a little disappointed. One one hand, this thing has been so long in coming that it might not be able to really live up to expectations, but I just didn't think it was as creative as the original. Clearly set up for a sequel (Dillinger's son on the board, TRON seemed to live after being "magically" redeemed), so maybe this was more of a set up? CLU didn't take the place of the MCP and Dillinger/Sark very well, seemed a little "Hollywood". It wasn't bad, not saying that, just wasn't as deep as I'd like to have seen. Didn't live up to that first trailer for the movie that was so awesome. Visual effects were just plain awesome, can't help but love to look at this movie. Except maybe for "young" Bridges. Smiled too much or something, they could've done better with the expressions and voice sync I thought. Seemed more video game quality than movie quality. Needed more Boxleitner & TRON too.
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#3160318 - 12/18/10 08:36 PM
Re: Tron: Legacy
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Ok, here is my spoiler-free review. I just got back from seeing it in 3D. I believe this film is suffering a bit from "The Phantom Menace" syndrome. What I mean specifically by that is that the hype and the public expectations for this film were in my opinion overstated. Let's look back at the original Tron and recall what it had and didn't have. While it was revolutionary for 1982 in its distinctive visuals, there really wasn't anything extraordinary with the acting, dialogue or characters. The new Tron film shares these same characteristics but unlike the original film this one had heaps of high expectations and hype and so it makes the new film seem worse by comparison. This new Tron didn't really elicit any emotion from me but neither did the original Tron. It was great seeing Bruce Boxleitner again but I wish his role had been a bit larger. And one final observation, I'm sorry but I just dont get how Quorra (a computer program) can somehow end up existing in the flesh after going through the portal. I just dont see how the internal logic of the film could make that plausible. I give Tron 2.5 out of 4 stars.
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#3160335 - 12/18/10 09:32 PM
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I believe this film is suffering a bit from "The Phantom Menace" syndrome. Oh come now, if that were the case it'd have got 0 out of 4 stars, having no merit on any grounds and needlessly tearing asunder every tenet of the canon en-route. But back to Tron.  Not seen it yet, hopefully will see it on the big screen. My expectations are not too high, so I may enjoy it well enough, for the reason that the first one was so damn cool because it was completely unique in its visual style and presentation (with a solid original story). I still get a kick out of watching it. These days no CGI really stands out, it's bound to be more complex and whizz-bang than the simple lines and light of the original, and complex and whizz-bang has been done to death by everyone else. I can just watch films like Inception now and be completely underwhelmed. Plus, unless you're "The Matrix", there's little more you can do to push the bounds of physical camera-work in action scenes. Oh, and 3D is just a gimic. It may be here to stay but to me it adds little if anything to my enjoyment of cinema. Yours, the Grinch
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#3160343 - 12/18/10 10:04 PM
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3D really didn't help this movie. Interesting that they did try to do the Wizard of Oz transition, going from 2D to 3D like that movie did B&W to color, but it just didn't do anything. Really don't think it did much for it and won't be missed on a dvd release.
I do agree about the Phantom Menace syndrome, but at least Phantom had a killer first 15 minutes or so to start off. This movie...kind of started out not liking the son, being on the obnoxious side. With all the advanced fighting, a necessity for these days, you saw no reason for the guy to be able to keep up. TRON should've mopped the floor with him.
With all of the years, and surely scripts, they just could have done better. The original wasn't that cheesy at the time, and I watch it regularly and still enjoy it. We watched today before seeing this one. For 1982, it was still good sci fi, although things happened "conveniently" and quickly. It was still interesting and creative, even if it lacked in a lot of depth. This one lacked depth AND creativity. Funny the Matrix is brought up since I thought of that while seeing the movie. Matrix...awesome. The 2nd Matrix movie not even close. Just repeated a formula. I didn't hate it by any means, just went into it expecting it to have depth that you should get now that was lacking in 1982. You have no doubt about the style the movie should have, being a sequel, but they should've made up for that lack of surprise with a good, deep story. It wasn't bad, it had the right elements, but they should have done a lot more with it than what seemed like an easy few plot turns.
At least we saw the really big door again. LOL
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#3160417 - 12/19/10 03:30 AM
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LOL Raw Kryptonite
I'd forgotten the really big door.
Apparently Kevin Flynns disc had the secret codes to make it possible for digital entities to exist in the real world. Although as said above it's not consistent with the logic for the first movie in which molecules are supposedly suspended in the beam. Bugged the hell out of me but no different I guess from having programs take the form of people that run around.
Bruce had a great reveal, voice from behind a fridge door.
Kinda want to go see it again now.
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#3160474 - 12/19/10 05:56 AM
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Good review Raw. I know that sometimes it is possible to over-analyze a film and we should just sit back and enjoy it for what it is but I'm like you in that I did expect something more especially since the original film came out 28 years ago! I'll most likely end up buying this on bluray eventually just to add it to my burgeoning sci-fi collection. 
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#3160615 - 12/19/10 09:38 AM
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The old MCP would simply appropriate the laser and run it at will. No biggie. None of this mamby pamby "gotta use Flynn's disc" business. LOL
MCP > CLU
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#3160876 - 12/19/10 05:37 PM
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I didn't go in with any expectations and still got disappointed based purely on the fact that it failed to entertain me. The film making was mediocre, uninspired, that's all.
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#3161141 - 12/20/10 06:23 AM
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Looks kinda like a kids' movie I think the biggest drawback to making a movie like this is having it be stuck under the Mouse House Label, it can't be too edgy, can't be too violent, actually it has to be kid friendly.
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#3161145 - 12/20/10 06:26 AM
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I enjoyed it.Story line continued on from the first fairly well.Everything is updated and polished but could have fleshed out a few of the lesser characters more..Maybe a sequel on the cards?It is much less a kids movie then say Transformers 2.. thanks for the info. Yeah, if you read some of the articles in the original OP you will see that Disney is making a big big big push of Tron onto the public for better or worse!
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