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#3119977 - 10/21/10 09:43 AM Canvas Knights goes payware  
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According to the topic in allaircraftsimulations CK forum, the project will be a standalone commercial game.
We are not too lucky with il2 ww1 mods.
I love IL2, working fine on my machine, via hyperlobby its one of my most accesible sims, so it would have been great to have a ww1 mod to fly multiplayer.
Anyway, is there enough free space on the market beside ROF for another WW1 sim?
It has to be different for me to pay for it. (massive multiplayer with online dedicated server running a dynamic campaign in falcon or eech style would be something I would vote for.)


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#3120070 - 10/21/10 01:20 PM Re: Canvas Knights goes payware [Re: Staniol]  
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Weirdness.

I haven't yet seen a whole lot from them, and going up against RoF will be very hard. They might have had a point making it donationware or even a payware mod (like OFF3) but standalone engine or licensed engine based on IL-2? Not gonna happen...

#3120417 - 10/21/10 06:57 PM Re: Canvas Knights goes payware [Re: Staniol]  
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With all respect to vonDeutsmark, but lets take a close look of the planes he made, to me it appears he did only made some resolution upgrade on old Redbaron birds, all this was state of the art in 2002, but we are spoiled to something like we see now a days in RoF and OFF. I think only time will tell us, if players want to pay for that and who knows CK will be improved to a OFF and RoF level, in which I do hope.

#3120463 - 10/21/10 07:56 PM Re: Canvas Knights goes payware [Re: Staniol]  
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This move surprises me. Yes, donationware, at the most.


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#3120817 - 10/22/10 03:08 AM Re: Canvas Knights goes payware [Re: Pooch]  
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I'm pretty shocked by this too, I have been following CK for a long time now and I never would have guessed this was coming.
I don't know if I would buy it or not. It had better be a SERIOUS, perfectly done mod.
I would have gave them a donation for it, and I had planned on doing so when it came out, but now I will have to wait and see what this becomes.

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#3120888 - 10/22/10 07:30 AM Re: Canvas Knights goes payware [Re: Staniol]  
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I'll stick with my Rise of Flight, thanks.


I refuse to buy a flight sim that I have no interest in playing, on the off chance that MAYBE someday they'll make the one I really want to play.

#3121501 - 10/22/10 09:19 PM Re: Canvas Knights goes payware [Re: Staniol]  
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The only way I would drop a dime for this would be if Oleg & 1C got their obligatory cut.. otherwise I won't spend a cent.


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#3121611 - 10/22/10 11:52 PM Re: Canvas Knights goes payware [Re: Staniol]  
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Weird eh? Full Leather Jacket, that ill-fate FS:SDOE spin-off commercial project, OFF3 and CK all go commercial.

What is it with WWI? WWI fliers have traditionally been more laid back (less so now with the online crowd) and often French (S! first spread from the WWI community). But none of this explains why the modders go commercial. One simple reason might be the limited number of modern (post 1998) WWI sims. This encourages big modding projects and also creates a market.

However, the same thing could be said for Helo sims (which have only spawned EECH2)

#3122141 - 10/23/10 04:59 PM Re: Canvas Knights goes payware [Re: Staniol]  
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Oh man, I miss Wings with Wires...

If it's entertaining, I'll buy it. biggrin


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#3122880 - 10/24/10 08:45 PM Re: Canvas Knights goes payware [Re: Staniol]  
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Should've seen this coming... The Il-2 modding community was such a wonderful thing with so many new possibilities suddently opened to so many great modders, all the enthusiasm, and then petty disputes and personnal interests ruined it all. Now this... Flowers bloom before they fade, and so did this game for me.

It'll be RoF or OFF over this, I'm waiting for SOW.

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#3126495 - 10/29/10 04:32 PM Re: Canvas Knights goes payware [Re: Staniol]  
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Well, I'll play First Eagles then. It offers a far better mod friendly sim. It can be as realistic or unrealistic you want, or as historical-unhistorical you want. And it offers the possibility to make your own campaigns, maps, etc. You can make Italian, Russian or Turkish campaigns if you want. It's a serious advantage over any WWI sim.

#3126910 - 10/30/10 08:06 AM Re: Canvas Knights goes payware [Re: Staniol]  
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one year ago I had a crap computer, I was realy exitet about CK, as the only good choise for a ww1 flight sim. Today things have changed. I have a realy good high end pc, play ROF at everything at max setting with realy good framerate smile . CK lookt good\ok on the IL2 engine, not so on the new. It looks real dated.

For me, ww1 plenes to IL2 was a dream come true. To have one sim, from 1914... - 1950. The possebileties for mission opertuneties was incredible. But now all this is down the drain.

When CK was first anonced, it was going to be 2-3 planes for each side, nothing more at first, mabe more aicrafts later. But then... they got to ambitious. This made me sad, because I knew the changes it whould be relesed shrunk as the ambitions grow.

Why of why could they not relese one and one aircraft as they completed them? One and one map?

Some of the work done was good for a IL2 mod, and whould be a good adision for the game.


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#3133764 - 11/09/10 05:59 PM Re: Canvas Knights goes payware [Re: Staniol]  
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Just looked at a bunch of screens on their forum. As an ROF owner I was not impressed with the new engine/models.

Pass.


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#3135044 - 11/11/10 10:51 AM Re: Canvas Knights goes payware [Re: Staniol]  
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What we all waited for (well at least me):
- Create a map of western front and trenches. Couple of airports bots sides with AAA. Maybe a winter version. Nothing more.
- Create some aircraft both sides. Mainly scout ones, 3 should have been enough instead of 40.
- package the whole thing as a simple mod. Maybe make it a part of the most succesfull modpack.
Is it a huge effort? I really do not know, but all of these I saw on screenshots, even 1 year ago.

After this is ready and published, someone will surely come up with a server, and we all can have our WW1 heaven in hyperlobby, under standard Il2.

Bombers? Later. Buildings,airports and aaa we already have, so targets are ok for them.
Zeppelins, baloons? They can come later.
Campaign? Why not, but really not the first priority, and if you make the aircafts available, community will take care of it, as we can see it happening on mission4today.

I think accessibility is the key word here. I am not planning to buy another ww1 sim.
Its not that easy to build up a working multiplayer community with correct tools around it.

That is why I am a bit sad, seeing CK going into another direction.


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#3139271 - 11/17/10 07:06 PM Re: Canvas Knights goes payware [Re: Staniol]  
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Lets get some facts right.

- because some bad things between mod groups, CK (mod) died off after AAA went under.

- It's not a payware mod of IL2.

- Its being developed with an engine like Steal Beasts Pro or like other military/goverment type of simulation engines. Wich will cost around 40USD, from what i've read.


- the donation "problem" was an idea of the previous owner of AAA, not Deutschmark. Donations were for the forums not CK, everyone that believed by donating would help CK come into life, are just naive.

- Because of a former colaborator of DM, CK (the game) was leaked very early, and as any other game it doesn't look good. But things are already improving, be it GFX or features.

- Will it inferior/superior to RoF? Don't know time will tell.

- If DM was to sell CK (the game) he will have to aim for quality in any aspect of the game, because there's RoF.





On a personal note:

As WWI dogfight is not my thing i'll not buy it, as i didn't buy RoF.

CK forum page: http://www.allaircraftsimulations.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=112

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#3142212 - 11/22/10 03:33 PM Re: Canvas Knights goes payware [Re: Staniol]  
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Just saw the "new and improved" pilot and Dr.I.

Again, not very impressed.


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#3146191 - 11/29/10 07:14 AM Re: Canvas Knights goes payware [Re: VonBarb.]  
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What would definitely work .. WWI with the Multi Play features of IL-2, and the Single Play / Historical aspects of Red Baron II / 3D

Shortly after IL-2 Strumovik was released, UBIsoft ran a poll asking which theatre should be done next, and WWI had the highest percentage, 29%, more than North Africa and Pacific Theatre WWII

WWI in Il2 engine has been talked about since 2003 at the IL2 Center, at the same time IL-2 1946 was suggested .. Oleg said if he got a set of flawless WWI models, he'd do it

Deutchmark publicly claimed to be working on a free IL-2 mod, a project started at the now defunct AllAircraftArcade IL-2 mod site, when for many months now, he has been developing with Quality Simulation's Vehicle Simulator.

The name "Canvas Knights" was chosen by the IL-2 mod community, described and promoted as a free community mod of IL-2, and really, Deutchmark has no claim to it.

I am the owner of CanvasKnights.com, and am still promoting the WWI in IL-2 effort which continues now Special Air Service website. Another name will be determined for that project as we get closer to having a few planes and maps ready for release .. it's expected these will be incorporated into a future version of Ultrapack after being released as mod package

The owner of Vehicle Simulator has asked me to hold the domains for his possible future use, describing the progress there as slow and best described as "a research project"

To kinda bring things around though, Oleg would not mind at all having a high quality team build a commercial WWI CFS from the IL-2 engine, as long as he and 1C do not have to spend any time with it.

There were considerable informal negotiations with Oleg and Maddox Games to the point of fleshing out a design doc in 2009, however it was hoped CK would have produced a 8-10 plane mod release by Summer 2009 to show the popularity, and with Deutchmark supposedly working on the IL-2 mod, it was difficult to assemble a second team of IL-2 modders, thinking it duplication of effort ..

A commercial WWI in IL-2 engine would act as a stop gap and idea tester for a WWI CFS using Storm of War engine. IMO, to do that right in SoW might take 3-4 years, and be timed for release at the 100th anniversary of WWI ... also, a team that could show their skills in a difficult to work with IL-2 and impress Oleg, would have priority consideration for working with Storm of War

If people want to see a WWI mod for IL-2, get over to SAS and encourage the effort that consists of many well known IL-2 modders from several mod groups .. there are really no personal issues between these people, but we'll see how it goes

#3146211 - 11/29/10 09:22 AM Re: Canvas Knights goes payware [Re: Staniol]  
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Thanks for the info Flybert!
This post made the situation clear and also made my day.


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#3152633 - 12/07/10 11:12 PM Re: Canvas Knights goes payware [Re: Staniol]  
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Was only intrested when I heard it was going to be a mod for IL 2 1946. Not at all intrested in another ww1 sim as ROF is going to be very hard to beat. Sorry

#3187203 - 01/24/11 05:15 AM Re: Canvas Knights goes payware [Re: Staniol]  
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Looks promising. Donationware would probably be the best course of action.

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