I never saw this when it was on TV, but within the last couple weeks I've been getting the discs from Netflix. All I can say is "what a shame it was canceled." This is such a great show! Now I have to watch "Serenity" again - I saw it with a friend and didn't know it was the "conclusion" of the series at the time. I can honestly say that this was probably the only show I've ever watched where I actually cared about what happened to the cast and wondered how they'd grow and develop. I especially wanted to see where River's character was taken, knowing what happens to her in Serenity. And Kaylee could easily be my dream girl, if not for her habit of taking things the wrong way. LOL

Welcome to the club. You now know the pain of many other people that this show did not get a full run. I watch it all the way through once a year and it never fails to delight! Now if you'll excuse me....I'll be in my bunk.

Toooo much information there, Colt!

I think Melinda Clarke shouldn't have been so "Lady Heather" in "Heart of Gold." And when a drugged Mal said "you got a thing on your arm" to Wash in "Out of Gas," why, for some reason that was the funniest god damn thing I'd heard in ages LOL

it was a frakking joke! lol But at least you can get it now, unlike all the poor slobs who haven't seen this great show.

Wonderful show, always glad to hear more folks taking a likin' to it. Me and the boyfriend watch it ever two months or so. Don't plan it that way, just happens!

LOL This is the umpteenth Firefly thread I've seen on SimHQ over the past couple of years but I ain't complaining. Firefly is by far the most remembered and talked about show that lasted less than one full season. I also never saw it when it aired on tv but I've seen it twice now on dvd and the last time on bluray! It looked stunning.

Simon is my favorite character on the show. I really loved his smug intellectualism.

Those people who cancelled it are sure to be going to that special Hell.

Yep.

It's one of the few TV series I actually bought on DVD, along with Rome, Band of Brothers and Hornblower.

Rome is another show that was cancelled before its time. The official word from HBO was that the show ended up being too expensive to produce.

At least with Rome we go two full seasons.

IIRC there's been talk about a Rome movie for quite some time now. Would love to see that.

Yup, me too. There IS an audience out there for well-made films that take place during the Roman Empire. "Gladiator" is proof of that.

Ah, Firefly.

Best. Sci-Fi. Ever.

And so enduringly influential in the genre too.

How many of us would have traded the second season of the underwhelming Dollhouse for a second season of Firefly? (popular conception being Fox didn't want another Firefly debacle on it's hands so let the latter pass, despite poor figures; too late Fox, too late....)

At least Fillion's Castle, which I enjoy, is getting 10m+ viewers a week; safe from the swinging of the numbers axe this time, perhaps.

Sigh.

Screw fox network, Ever since they pulled firefly I have boycotted them .... Yea I still watch it from time to time. I love the clarity on dvd tho.


Bullet

Yes, now that Fillion is on a show with lots of fluff and no edginess or real creativity to it, he has finally found long term employment.

@ Bullet - I'm enjoying Fringe quite a lot on Fox. Walter Bishop is one of the best tv characters I've seen in a long time.

Ditto RE Firefly, great show! Gotta get the dvd's out and watch again...

PM ,I just started watching Fringe, and I am hooked. I need to see it from the beginning.



Bullet

Oh come on, compared to what else passes for mainstream these days it's not that bad.

Harmless fluff has it's place, if everything was dark and depressing TV would be a tedious world indeed. I thought the Indiana Jones themed episode last season was one of the funnier things I've seen on TV this year.

AND he managed to wear his Firefly outfit during the Halloween one!

Plus Beckett is not exactly hard on the eyes!

LOL! I was a bit too harsh. I'v seen clips from that Halloween episode and it was definitely nice getting to see Mal again. I know we all age and stuff but Nathan is looking a bit older and heavier compared to his Firefly days.

I'm glad to hear that you're hooked but you dont feel lost at all? You should definitely rent season 1 and 2 ASAP!

I was thinking that just the other day. The Mal costume might need altering if he wheels it out again this year!

Fringe has completely passed me by, I must confess. Maybe I'll get round to it at some point. I tried to watch the first episodes The Event recently but gave up pretty quickly, I dont think I have the patience for ubertangled story arcs and Lost-esque-haphazard plot development any more.

I read something a while back that noted the decline in audiences for shows like Lost is due to the fact that today's generation of TV consumers prefer self-contained episodes and don't have the patience or commitment for anything more complicated.

I'm probably partially in that camp now, which is why I enjoy shows like Castle and The Office. There are running themes, and some light plot continuity, but you can drop in and out or watch the odd episode out of sequence without wondering what the hell is going on.

Whedon sci-fi like Firefly, Dollhouse and even Buffy also seem to be primarily of this style. There are some underpinning story-arcs, but episodes are principally stand-alone entities.

Sometimes, of course, it's worth the effort with a more complex construct, as per BSG, although even there I loved the more contained installments like Scar.

I'm currently trying to decide whether to bother with a Blu-Ray player to watch some of these old favourites afresh, or just to skip it entirely - I think the days of physical media are rapidly drawing to a close.

With the shapeshifters yea I am lost because it shows 2 different worlds, I really need to see it from the beginning.




Bullet

I think "Scar" is the best of all of the BSG stand-alone episodes. Other ones like "Dirty Hands", "Black Market" and "The Woman King" were average. As for me, I gravitate much more towards shows that have long going mytharcs/storyarcs but I also enjoy shows that consist mostly of stand-alone episodes like the original Star Trek and ST: Next Generation. I'm also a huge X-Files fan and I much prefer the mythology episodes than the "monster of the week" ones even though there are quite a lot of the stand alones that I think are great.

You can't stop the signal. Cancel it? Sure. But stop it? No way. Brief as it was, Firefly has legs. Long ones. Hands down the best sci-fi show (heck, one of the best shows of any genre) I've ever seen (even though it didn't get a chance to develop and deepen like say BSG, there was the odd bum episode like Heart of Gold, goofy laser "pew pew" sounds for some regular guns, and somewhat too literal an emphasis on the frontier/settler theme- they didn't literally have to dress as much like cowboys as they did to convey that), and I'm one of "those people" who considers Serenity the peer of Alien and Blade Runner as the best scifi movie ever made, and Firefly/Serenity by far and away Joss Whedon's best work. To quote Tyrell, "the candle that burns twice as bright burns half as long."

Aside- It took me until last year to get over mourning the apparent death of the Firefly/Serenity franchise via watching the cast in substandard fare (Morena Baccarin in V, Nathan Fillion in Castle, Summer Glau in Dollhouse- though I did think Terminator was a pretty good and watchable show) in a futile effort to recapture some of the charisma that they imbued Firefly/Serenity with. Stupid bean counters at Fox.

I hope fox networks burn down, hell torch the hertics,lol. Seriously I really enjoyed Firefly and it pains me to see them in other fluffy shows, Morena in Stargate and a few others. Intersting I do not watch Castle. I actually watched V, I hope it just takes time for it to mature, that is if it is coming back.



Bullet

I wonder if Jewel and Morena recognize what crap Stargate is compared to Firefly (Okay, perhaps a bit harsh, though I do think that, but the Stargate franchise basically a mediocre tv show that doesn't seem to aspire to more than light entertainment/fluff. Nothing wrong with that, of course.), and feel like they are slumming a bit, quality wise? I guess they are just happy to be working. I would be. Still, once you've been on Firefly/Serenity, that sets the bar a lot higher than other tv sci-fi shows (except BSG) seem capable of or even interested in reaching.

Morena went all naked in a movie so she can do whatever she wants.

V will definitely be back next year with 10 new episodes.

This.

My educated guess is that deep down inside, Morena and Jewel know that what they had on Firefly was special and there's a very good chance that they wont ever work on anything in the future that will match it. However, most actors are just like every day people like us here on SimHQ and there's no doubt they are happy to be getting a paycheck.

This seems appropriate for this thread.

Sheesh. Speaking of earning a paycheck. Must be hard for her not to feel sorry for some of those guys.

Oh my, that was just painful.

Poor Summer.

You see her (and the writers) use it in one of the eps of "The Big Bang Theory".

The smile just seemed forced, roflmao, Was Sara chronicles any good, I never watched em, I thought it was on Fox but I was Boycotting them,lol.


Bullet

The big bang one was halirious. I really have gotten into it that show, I actually know a Sheldon,lol. We give him such #%&*$# about it.... I am surprised he still talks to us low brows,lol.



Bullet

Colt, you just made my day man. LMAO!!!!!

My eyes are still watery from all the laughing I just did.

I like to do what I can.

The guy with the Buffy shirt and the guy with the psycho axe murderer expression take the cake.

I think she wanted to bone that last guy. That's why she had the sexy face instead of the fake smile.

Some guys have all the luck. Sigh...

Yeah, I noticed that too.

Based on that link, sci-fi fanobyz/grlz seem to be the least physically attractive people I've ever seen.

I liked it, but it wasn't what anybody was expecting. It's more of a drama about a single parent facing a terminal disease while caring for her only child than it is a sci fi action show. Well, I guess that's why it got cancelled.


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Man, those photos are sad. If I were going to pay $ for a photo with her, it'd at least be somewhat creative. I'd love a pic of her holding a prop gun in an execution pose with moi. That'd be hilarious!

The fundamental problem with the Terminator franchise is that it has been without James Cameron since T2. Terminator 3 was at best an average film, the Sara Connor Chronicles got average ratings at best and Terminator: Salvation disappointed big time at the box office.

I'd say the Terminator TV show was a pretty solid B (season 2 being better than season 1). Dollhouse being a C+ and Firefly being an A in my book.

Yeah and at least you had two hot chicks to look at every week.

I thought the show (Terminator) was pretty good, though I did miss most of the 2nd season episodes for whatever reason. It's about time for a Firefly re-watch, methinks.

What impressed me the most about Firefly is how it took someone who was essentially a criminal (Malcolm Reynolds) and leader of a criminal gang and made him such a likeable and sympathetic character.

It was just the perfect blend of action, humor, characters, story, just nicely balanced.

Mal was only a criminal because of the authoritarian nature of the government. He is in the same mold as Robin Hood. Not hard to like the underdog.

Yeah but Mal, for the most part, didn't give to the poor. He was just trying to eke out a living. But yes, he was the underdog, and sympathetic. Basically, as Joss once said, Firefly was in some respects like the story of Han Solo before he hooked up with Luke and the rebels.

That is an excellent way of looking at it. Hehe, and not coincidentally the similarities between Jubal Early and Boba Fett were uncanny.

He even had a ship with a very similar configuration to Slave-1.

Wow, I think this is the longest topic I ever started and maybe the only one that stayed civil LOL

The other night I wanted to show a friend the scene from "Out of Gas" that I mentioned way back on page 1, to see if she thought it was as funny as I did (she didn't, but I think you have to know the crew and she's never seem the show.) Anyway, I was going to use "firefly thing on your arm" as my Youtube search term in Firefox, and as soon as I typed "firefly" the first result in the list was "firefly thing on your arm." That freaked me out! I just can't believe that's the most common search starting with "firefly" any more than I can believe the search engine read my mind.

I think Firefly is the best way to introduce a hesitant wife/girlfriend to the wonderful world of sci-fi. Lots of intresting and strong female characters, some guys for them to check out, some good romances, etc. etc.

Yeah but with the exception of (most of) BSG, it's all downhill from there, at least when dealing with tv sci-fi.

Well, Serenity made MUCH more sense this afternoon, and was a MUCH better movie too, since I knew who everyone was and what was going on. LOL

I would, She's hot.

I had the same experience as you. I watched "Serenity" in the theater before I ever saw a single episode of the show and therefore thought the film was just "ok". Once I watched the show and then watched Serenity again I had a completely different perspective.

Ordered both Firefly and Serenity on Blu-ray b/c I have a new laptop (18.4" screen!) that has blu-ray. I'm psyched to see these in blu-ray- they will be the first things I've seen in blu-ray. Is the picture quality really THAT good?

Oh wow, welcome to the 21st century Pepper.

Yeah, Firefly on BR looks amazing. You'll see soon enough.

Yeah, it took me long enough. Looking forward to the extra special features, too.

Keep an eye out for a goof involving Wash in the pilot episode "Serenity". It happens near the end.

where there's no flight stick in his hands?

Correct.

Just because we can never have too many posts related to Firefly:

The Fox show Fringe is moving to Friday nights (the "death slot" that did for Firefly).

In a somewhat tounge-in-cheek move, the first episode on a Friday (January 21) is to be titled Firefly. Not sure how deep the reference will run.

Story link: here

Here's a fan mash-up of the Fringe and Firefly titles.

Unfortunately it's looking like this season will be the final one for "Fringe" unless by some miracle the ratings improve.

I really am getting discouraged. It seems juts as I get into a show it goes away. I am getting to the point where I will not be watching main stream TV.




Bullet

tv scifi is for the most part, cursed

I try to make a conscious effort to not blame the tv networks when they cancel a scifi show that I really enjoy. After all, tv networks are businesses and why would we expect any business to keep putting out a product that is losing money?

However, I DO blame the general tv viewing public for preferring crap like Dancing with the Stars and American Idol over shows that actually have some substance to them.

Just wanted to say I started watching this show on Netflix a few days ago. WOW! Very good I love it so far. I'm a big sci-fi fan but honestly haven't watched too much sci-fi tv shows. I could never get into the less than movie space graphics that tv shows often had. But obviously its more about the characters and story lines, which Firefly has many of.

Great show! Highly recommend it!

ps just got done watching the shows with Saffron...my oh my she is quite attractive.

Yeah, both episodes with Saffron aka "Mrs. Reynolds" are outstanding.

Oh c'mon, they're all outstanding



Not only did Firefly have a good standard of CGI in general (and a wonderful ship design) but it also pioneered styles that later became popular in film and TV - it was the first mainstream sci-fi production to make regular use of wobbly-cam and defocus in space to create a more "familiar, real world" feel, in contrast to the sterile, perfectly sharp camera sequences that came before in the genre.

The constant focus-defocus in exterior BSG shots got a little much, at times, but Firefly was there first

I've been amusing myself this week watching the Firefly Dragon Con panels on YouTube, very entertaining, all the cast are so funny and get on so well. The links below are to the respective "part ones" - watch on YouTube to find the rest.

2010 Dragon Con (Jewel Staite, Summer Glau, Morena Baccarin, Sean Maher)
2008 Dragon Con (Nathan Fillion, Alan Tudyk, Morena Baccarin, Jewel Staite)

Actually, Attack of the Clones got there first, much to Joss Whedon's consternation. He'd already been working on that for the Firefly pilot when Ep 2 came out and he was bummed that although they thought of the idea themselves, Lucas thought of it and implemented it first.



The Jedi Master

All hail ol' Fat Neck!

Firefly sucks.


Or so my girlfriend says. Got done watching my favorite episode, Objects in Space, and she was like "What the #%&*$# was that?"

Ah well, we cant ask for perfection in any partner can we now?

Yeah, guess not. And she is a smart cookie- Phd, taught film, etc. Maybe the Whedon cutsie and wild west theme were too much for her. I know even I found those a bit much a times.

PS- it was pretty funny. I just IM'd a coworker that my GF dislikes Firefly. She said aloud "she doesn't like Firefly?" and like 6 diff't people within earshot were like "Who doesn't like Firefly?!" with a mixture of confusion and alarm. Thus ensued an 8 person conversation about the topic. It was pretty funny that a 2-person IM went viral and involved almost the entire section of part of the office. There were several calls of "time to get a new girlfriend." All of work stopped on this side for about 2 minutes, while we all pondered this new fact. If you wanna alienate/bewilder a room full of techies, just say "Firefly" and "sucks" (without mentioning Fox) in the same sentence.

That is absolutely golden Pepper! I actually met a faculty member who works in the same department as me who is also a fan of Caprica. Those are pretty rare! Lol.

Yeah. The disbelief, tinged with judgement, was palpable. Hah.

You'd get much the same thing in my office, I feel.

I've just browsed our server list, and found both a Kaylee and a Serenity pretty quickly.

Neither mine, unfortunately, I've been landed with Daggit (not my choice)!




Four months apart

I don't recall anything like that from Ep.2 but may have to bite the bullet and watch it again one day. It was actually my least-hated prequel: there was very little in the way of midichlorians, the occasional pause for breath, and it didn't arse about with the canon to quite the degree the other two did. However, I can't think of any recent movies that *look* more like computer games than those prequels, which was certainly the opposite of what Joss was shooting for.

I should probably resolve to cut back on the fatneck bashing this year, it's no good for my blood pressure.

Back to Firefly, I'll have to dig out "Our Mrs. Reynolds" again now you folks mentioned it!

You see the shaky cam and the quick digital zoom several times during the big ground battle on Geonosis.

Thanks, I'll take a peek.

Another thing that is pretty cool is there is no sound in the space shots in Firefly. I think this is more realistic, but usually movies and TV shows go the opposite route and have space sound effects. I think this is pretty cool. There is something haunting about the silence in the space shots I like it.

They definitely used sound in space in SERENITY. They just muffled it big time.

BSG did something similar. Muffled sounds in space. After all, doing a whole space battle with no sound may be realistic, but it makes for less than exciting TV.

Exactly. Sometimes you just can't avoid having to make a concession between realism and practicality. That's why we've never had a submarine warfare film where you never see underwater exterior shots of the sub. While not realistic it adds a tremendous amount to the experience of the audience watching the film.

I agree guys, try watching Starwars with no sound and it's just not the same!

Okay tonight I finished up the series...and watched Serenity. I thought the TV series was amazing but I was pretty disappointed in Serenity. Is this the general opinion of fanbase? While it was cool to the Revers and get their backstory the movie just seemed to lack a lot of subtle humor, character interaction, and western vibe that made the show so cool. Mal just seemed way too serious in the movie, and less Han Solo scoundrel like on the series. Plus there were hardly any scenes with him and Inara. I like their chemistry and tension it has that Solo/Leia ESB vibe but that was missing in the movie.

Maybe the bigwigs made them change the movie a lot to make it more a generic action movie to draw in people who did not watch the tv series?

I have no doubt some of this went on. As the box office numbers showed however, it seems that the vast majority of people who watched "Serenity" in the theater were people who were already Firefly fans. This happens a lot with tv shows that have a theatrical release. The X-Files film that came out in 2008 also did poorly at the box office and that was because only hardcore fans of the show bothered to go watch it.

Well, given the conditions the settlers often lived under - "the Alliance will set them down on a terrformed moon or planet with little more than hatchets, blankets, and maybe a herd" (paraphrased) - it's not hard to see why they'd live a western-type existence. Or maybe the 26th century was just full of SCA types.

The general consesus is that SERENITY was ammmaaaaaaazingomfgbbq!!!!!

And Mal was very serious... and the movie lacked a lot the series had, and I thought River sucked in it and the Reaver story was stupid.

But that atmo battle was awesome and so was the assassin dude. And I liked Mal's moments.

I made the mistake of watching Serenity without ever having watched Firefly first and quite frankly, I felt pretty lost with what was going on for a while. After I watched the show though, Serenity was a COMPLETELY different experience.

I'm not that fond of the film, it was great to see the cast again but the show was really built for the slow burn and not a two-hour quick reveal. I also didn't like the fairly cheap and unnecessary deaths of key characters. Loved, loved the series. My favourite sci-fi. Such a shame we didn't get a BSG-length run. Opportunity lost.

Re: Mal/Inara - they did get to kiss, eventually

The Mal/Inara thing was supposed to have been continued/resolved in another film or TV event or SOMETHING. It wasn't really supposed to stop at Serenity, either, it just turned out that way.
As it was, they resolved the River story (the main arc of the series) and Book's line (but not by explaining it, unfortunately, they just cut it short) and the Kaylee/Simon thing.

The only thing that really bugged me about Serenity was the retcon on Simon's breakout of River from Alliance hands, as the series established he just used his money to pay others to get her out (which was consistent with his character) while the film shows he did a lot himself in addition to spending money. Oh, and the fact that the Blue Hands men were just dropped (although explained in the one comic prequel to the film) in favor of the Operative.


The Jedi Master

I have to say those Blue Hands men were pretty freaky. That device they used in "Ariel" to kill that Alliance guy was pretty gruesome.

Anyone know where I might find some "Earth That Was" back history?

Personally, I liked that Serenity was more serious than Firefly. Whedon's achilles heel as a writer IMO is trying way too hard to be witty, clever, and cutesy. It gets annoying. Heck, I thought that even some of the "funny" moments in Serenity were kind of out of place (such as Mal saying "is HE okay!?" after the chase with the Reaver skiff or the thankfully deleted scene where he says of the operative "What a whiner"). Whedon just can't help himself.


Spoiler....But if you haven't seen the movie yet, really, can you in all honesty call yourself a true SimHQ member? :-)


Anyway, it made sense that Mal and the tone of the movie were more serious. Things weren't going well for him/them in the time since the end of the show and when the movie picked up. Also, the stakes in the movie were way higher than those in the show, and the death of Book lent a grim determination to the proceedings (to say nothing of Wash's death).
So, less jokes, less cheesy western element, and less cutesy= a more compelling story. And heck, there were some choice moments of funny. Nearly every character got a few, especially Kaylee.

NH- there's a podcast called The Signal that will tell you more than you ever wanted to know about The Verse (as well as the somewhat strangerously nerdy Browncoat fanbase, who seem a mite obsessed)

http://signal.serenityfirefly.com/mmx/

I used to listen to it, until it became more about the browncoat community, whom I couldn't give a toss about, than the actual show/movie. Just listen to a few fan songs and you'll hear what I mean. Gag!

I find the parallels between "Serenity" and the Twin Peaks theatrical release "Fire Walk with Me" to be stunning. Both films were much darker and more serious than their respective tv shows and both didn't do well at the box office. Both shows were also short lived.

And both featured the log lady.

Oh. wait. Urm. They didn't.

One thing I'd really like to find out is exactly what Shepherd Book's ID card said that got him medical treatment on that Alliance ship.

"Big Kahuna"

The Hawaiian burger joint?

Huh? You guys lost me.

I just think they should do a season of Castle where every member of the Firefly crash has a cameo as a corpse.

It would be very funny.

Oh yes. Firefly references.

One.



And, two.



There's probably more.

Surely a film aficionado like yourself didn't miss a reference to Pulp Fiction, which in turn came from pepper's answer to my question about what Book's ID said!

Doh! I haven't watched "Pulp Fiction" in a long time so I admit I dropped the ball on that one!

I guess some of the Castle writers were FF fans.

Just watched Our Mrs Reynolds again last night. A great ep!


The Jedi Master

That Saffron is a #%&*$#. A HOT #%&*$# but a #%&*$# nonetheless.

I've watched episodes 1-7 over the past few days, and "Jaynestown" has really grown on me. The first time I saw it I thought it was pretty lame, but maybe only because there wasn't as much action as in "Our Mrs. Reynolds." IMO one of the funniest parts in the whole series was when River got frightened by Shepherd Book's unbound hair and ran off to hide in the smuggling compartment. When Zoe and Book were trying to get her to come out, you could hear her saying something like "...the snow on the roof is too heavy and the ceiling will cave in. His brains are in terrible danger." LOL I'm beginning to find out that Firefly is a lot like MAD Magazine, in that the funniest/best parts are often in the margins and often get overlooked!

"The hero of Cantin, the man they call MEEEE!"

ETA The theme song is great, too. It really is a snapshot of Mal.

Who knows how Firefly would have turned out had it lasted several seasons but the 14 episodes that were made were all great.

Firefly was a great series... I rented Serenity.. liked it.. thought nothing of it.. then one day I was watching SF.. and they had a Firefly marathon.. I think I came in on the one with the guy in the red leather suit who was sent to get River.. but I liked it and caught a few more of the marathon.. then I went off and found the entire series... for $10. Great show... It could have really gone much farther.. BSG was another one that I thought was great.. and as disappointed as I was.. it went out when it should have with hindsight.. I thought Caprica got the axe too soon as well... although I really think they messed up by giving it too much back story... It could have been a great prequel.. My daughter was telling me about Fringe ... I think I'll check it out... V is ok..


The T Chronicles were decent... but T3 SUCKED!!

SUCKED!!

It was a terrible movie in every aspect.. except for that little cutie killer..


What they should have done in T3 was this... (I actually started to outline this premise..)

Opening scene.. a man in silhoutette ... he is smoking a cigar.. and being briefed ... the person talking is dropping pictures on a desk.. of a man in black... with shades.. and a shotgun ... in a police station... in a mall... on the street.. then he says... something like "We know that this is not as it appears to be.... " then Arnold leans into the light.. and says some Arnold stuff... In my version of T3 Arnold is a human... a covert operator..who was sent to find out what was going on by his superiors.. who knew that whoever the guy was in the police station and the mall.. and at Cyberdine was.. it wasn't him.. because he was working in Afghanistan or somewhere at the time.. so they assign him to find Conner.. since there had to be some kind of connection.. and it became his assignment to find out. He catches up with Conner... who is in his early 20s.. In the meantime goons from Cyberdyne are also looking for Conner because they think he is going to blow the whistle on their trying to monopolize internet/weapons technology based on the stolen technology they got from the first two terminators.. (no all of it wasn't destroyed.. ) just around the same time that the Cyberdyne goons catch up to them.. and Arnold of course being the professional killing machine that he is evades them, leaving a trail of bodies, and by the way.. he is now a fugitive too because his superiors were read the riot act about this by their evil globalist puppetmasters.. the terminator makes his apearance in the movie.. While on the run they hide out at a farm.. where a kindly farmer hides them.. and did I mention his beautiful daughter.. Carla... while there the Cyberdyne goons catch up with them ... they torch the farm.. kill the farmer & his wife and only John, Arnold and the daughter barely get away... That's when the terminator enters the fray.. not quite the beautiful swiss army knife of T3 but a bit more sophisticated and deadly than the one from T2 (but the fact that everyone is human now makes up for that all the ensuing action convinces not only the young farmer's daughter but Arnold as well that all the stuff John has been saying is true.. While on the run John & the farmer's daughter have a brief but love filled encounter.. then all hell breaks loose.. they get separated.. John & Arnold go on to fight, thinking Carla is dead... killed in the destruction of their last hideout.. Arnold sacrifices himself to insure John's escape.. and gets captured by the terminators.. however un beknownst to either of them.. the young farmer's daughter Carla urvives the last attack.. and escaped as well.. and she is pregnent... fearing for her life.. she takes her mother's maiden name... Reese... and decides to name her son after her father Kyle and goes into hiding.... and in the end ... Arnold is being tortured at Cyberdyne... and the head of R&D comes into the room... trying to find out how it is he knows Conner... what is their connection... and he tortures him... he thinks Arnold is John's father... and the final scene with a beaten and bloody Arnold in the background... the head of R&D looking over him with his back to the camera turns towards the camera... and his eyes glow red....
Fade to black...

Da dum dum de dum Da dum dum de dum Da dum dum de dum

That was my version of T3 ... all I wrote was an outline.. and I never finished it... T3 came out and that was that... but IMO that would have been a much better film than that CRAP they tried to pass off...

I thought that new Star Trek was great too... especially that last scene where he sits in the chair and does that ShatnerKirk "Bones....."



I agree.. That show was so good on so many levels.. just the fact that there were no aliens.. and another ting I liked about it was the ships were dirty.. As much as I liked Trek.. I got so sick of the ultra clean environment... and all the aliens with bumps and ridges on them..

Bumps and ridges are cheap and fast, which is what network TV requires on a weekly basis. The more complex stuff can only be done rarely as a result.



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Yeah I know... and I understand.. but that was one of the things I lied about FF... It was more an story n a universe where humans have expanded far beyond the boundaries of our solar system.. and we were still unique..

Well, to be fair it was a BSG-type situation where it was a single system filled with habitable planets. It's like Earth was abandoned and man fled to that system but distances were too great for people to move to other systems.



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And yet Babylon 5 managed to have quite complex make up and hair for several alien characters even with their shoestring budget!

Yeah... B5 took a few years to grow on me.. but in the end I thought it was pretty good..

The cheap looking sets and CGI can be jarring at first to a new viewer but if they are willing to stick around long enough, the outstanding story arcs and characters will reel them in.

I think the funniest line for me in Firefly was in "Our Mrs. Reynolds" when Shepherd informs Mal about "Special Hell". The way he pops back in to remind him of Special Hell made me laugh really loud when I was watching all by myself. Then I felt like a huge nerd...then started to daydream of Saffron and it all went away.

I know fans usually mention Wash and Jayne when it comes to the best comedic lines but Book had a lot of great moments too and the one you mentioned is definitely one of those.

Yeah that's what eventually got me .... That and Ivonova. I thought she was so good looking....

Oh yeah, Claudia Christian is great.

Jayne: "Dear diary: Today I was pompous and my sister was crazy. Today we were kidnapped by hill folk, never to be seen again. It was the best day ever."

Baldwin is just as funny on Chuck, where Casey is basically a smarter, more disciplined and experienced version of Jayne!



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Is it "Ariel" where River goes ape shi* and slashes Jayne's chest with a kitchen knife? LOL

if only firefly had lasted half as long as the SimHQ threads about it :-)

Yeah really. Without a doubt, Firefly HAS to be the most talked about tv show ever that lasted less than one season.

Yep, certainly online. It's like geeks feel something protective about it, wanting to cherish and nurture it due to how crappily it was treated in its short unhappy life.

In more topical Firefly 'verse related news, Morena Baccarin is screen testing for a role in the Avengers movie, directed by Whedon, so she's probably in with a good shout.

I'd forgotten some of the funny lines in the past few posts, I really have to dig out the series again. It's not as if it takes long to watch through! (sigh)

Cheers, Spinner

Yup, Ariel has the Jayne-cutting scene followed by the line "he looks good in red."




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It's a pitty that they lost the original Hi Res CGI, for the time it was great but now having it on DVD the CGI it just sucks and not how I remember it when it was broadcast. And it was Mira Furlan that was the hottie on B5

Ever since he was teamed up with Morgan, I think Casey (Baldwin) has gotten to be even funnier than he ever was on FIREFLY, while playing the badass straight-man instead of the fool.

Though, I don't know which character is better overall. It is funny because I got to know Baldwin a little bit and it changed my perspective on Jayne and Casey a lot. Casey is essentially Baldwin. I mean, the guy isn't acting much. While Jayne is very different from the actor. So, it has made me like Jayne a lot more because of it.

Firefly is going to show on the Science Channel. While link says "returns" this doesn't mean new episode:

http://insidetv.ew.com/2011/02/17/firefly-returns/

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I've never heard of the Science Channel. Is it a relatively new cable network?

Well for those of you on UK sky it is being shown (again) on the horror channel.

Its so strange, even though there is only one series it sure as hell is getting played a lot. Makes you think what would have happened if the series at first broadcast was marketed and time-slotted correctly

My favorite scene that I can recall from Firefly was when the bad guy got ingested through the engine, can't remember the plot but I remember that scene and it just seemed like a "that's what I would've done" moment, I was hooked on the series from then on. Serenity just seemed like a condensed version of the series with some details being left out, but Summer really kicked some butt in that one. I still think that Morena is a strikingly beautiful woman but on 'V' I think she just looks evil, guess that says something about her acting ability that she could be so different a character with little more than a haircut.

It's hard to say. As a general rule, science fiction on US network tv is a very hard sell so even if Firefly had been promoted a lot and put in a good timeslot, it still could have had insufficient ratings to stay on the air.

Just in case there are some who can't get it on local programming you can get it here:
http://www.icefilms.info/tv/series/1/181 or here: http://www.hulu.com/search?query=firefly&st=1&fs=null

Great interview in that link. The thing is, if he DID win the California Lottery, phone the other cast members and Whedon and say "how about it", you could bet they'd jump at the chance.

I watch CASTLE because of Fillion. I do hope it gets canceled so he can do other stuff before he gets too old... but that isn't happening for at least another year so...

Well, that and Stana Katic isn't exactly hard on the eye. Both fine Canadian exports!

They can be be pretty funny together, it's the only mainstream show I watch these days (asides from Modern Family, when I remember).

I know if there were, against all improbabilities, a Firefly revisit it just wouldn't be the same - but it's nice to talk about regardless, and Whedon and Fillion always seem happy to do so

Of course what would suck if Firefly were to return is that there would be no Book or Wash unless they include lots of flashbacks!

I really wasn't happy with that situation in the film, for me it was pretty unnecessary (on both counts).

However given that Serenity wrapped up all the major story arcs any "revisit" would most logically fit between Firefly Season 1 and Serenity, giving a full crew compliment.

Although some cast ageing in the interim might be a minor problem I'm sure the audience could forgive!

Well I just finished watching the complete series again tonight, it was great to see River get a lot of lines and be the pivotal crewmember for once.

I got a friend to finally start watching the series yesterday, she's getting it instantly from Netflix and apparently is missing (not hearing) some of the dialog so I guess I'll send my DVDs to her so she can appreciate the show.

One question I have, is that my DVD set mentions "14 episodes, special features, blah blah blah, and 3 unaired episodes." Where are these unaired episodes?? Or is it just a typo that got my hopes up?