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#3113299 - 10/12/10 02:29 AM Slave Mav to TGP?  
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Is there a way to slave the Mav seeker to a (SPI) designated from the TGP?


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#3113322 - 10/12/10 03:20 AM Re: Slave Mav to TGP? [Re: TDog]  
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Sure, just make the mav SOI, china FWD long, I guess thats it.


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#3113341 - 10/12/10 04:00 AM Re: Slave Mav to TGP? [Re: TDog]  
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dont forget to make TGP target as SPI(TMS up long) before slewing mav to the SPI.

#3113722 - 10/12/10 05:03 PM Re: Slave Mav to TGP? [Re: TDog]  
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Ok, thanks guys. Once I set the SPI from the TGP, I was just picking a MAV station on the DSMS, not making the MAV the SOI. I'll give that a try tonight.


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#3114537 - 10/13/10 04:39 PM Re: Slave Mav to TGP? [Re: TDog]  
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Nope, this didn't work. When the SOI is switched to MAV, the Maverick "wagon wheel" doesn't slave to the SPI, which is what I was hoping for. Is this not doable?


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#3114551 - 10/13/10 04:49 PM Re: Slave Mav to TGP? [Re: TDog]  
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I did this last night. I don't think it was exactly what is recommended above, but the wagon wheel did slave to the TP diamond (not to the steer point). However, I could not get the Mav to lock. Attempting to fire only resulted in a launch inhibit. I'll try it again tonight and write down exactly what the key presses are if someone doesn't do it sooner.

Another thing that happened is that I could not get the TP to slave to the following steer point after doing the above. I even cycled power to the TP and it was still only slaving to the previous target.

#3114849 - 10/13/10 10:16 PM Re: Slave Mav to TGP? [Re: TDog]  
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I've seen reference to a "slave all to SPI" command but I can't locate what control or key combo to use for it. Anyone know?

Edit: Ok, just found that that command is china hat fwd long as stated above. When I use that, the wagon wheel just stays put and doesn't slew to the SPI. Must be doing something wrong.

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#3114857 - 10/13/10 10:25 PM Re: Slave Mav to TGP? [Re: TDog]  
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Originally Posted By: TDog
I've seen reference to a "slave all to SPI" command but I can't locate what control or key combo to use for it. Anyone know?


See page 88 of the DCS A-10C Flight Manual.

#3115022 - 10/14/10 01:48 AM Re: Slave Mav to TGP? [Re: TDog]  
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Pages 507 and 508 detail how to set the SPI with the TGP. The last paragraph on page 559 says you can use TMS forward short to initiate lock (alternative to releasing slew to initiate lock), but it's not working for me. I can slew a hair and get a lock, but that's not what I want. At least for now, slewing the Maverick for me is erratic at best. The TGP seems to slew a lot easier.
Here, I've selected a target with TGP. The diamond is down in the heading tape.

Now, it's been designated SPI.

Maverick has been slaved to SPI.

Still no lock. Even after TMS up short. DLZ indicates I'm in range.

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#3115124 - 10/14/10 05:22 AM Re: Slave Mav to TGP? [Re: TDog]  
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After slewing the MAV to the SPI, slew your mav off the target and back on then a short TMS up and it should lock.

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Originally Posted By: Scarface
After slewing the MAV to the SPI, slew your mav off the target and back on then a short TMS up and it should lock.


This is precisely what I am trying to NOT do.

#3115272 - 10/14/10 02:00 PM Re: Slave Mav to TGP? [Re: Goblin]  
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Originally Posted By: mfrank14
Originally Posted By: Scarface
After slewing the MAV to the SPI, slew your mav off the target and back on then a short TMS up and it should lock.


This is precisely what I am trying to NOT do.


It's a known bug. Use TMS FWD long, then quickly use TMS FWD Short to lock the Mav, after slaving. Max range ~6.7mls

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#3115493 - 10/14/10 06:46 PM Re: Slave Mav to TGP? [Re: Nate]  
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Originally Posted By: Nate
Originally Posted By: mfrank14
Originally Posted By: Scarface
After slewing the MAV to the SPI, slew your mav off the target and back on then a short TMS up and it should lock.


This is precisely what I am trying to NOT do.


It's a known bug. Use TMS FWD long, then quickly use TMS FWD Short to lock the Mav, after slaving. Max range ~6.7mls


I haven't figured out what I'm doing wrong but I haven't been able to get it to work doing this the few times I've tried. frown


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I'm curious, and may have missed it in the manual, but when you do the TMS Up Long is there any indication on the MAV or TGP MDF that indicates something has happened? When I am targeting with the TGP and do the TMS Up Short I get the box around the target and it says Point but when I do the TMS up Long I don't see that anything has changed and wonder if it's not working. Plus I can never get the Maverick to lock on anything. Is there any indication that appears after doing the TMS Up Long? Thanks.


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#3116014 - 10/15/10 12:45 PM Re: Slave Mav to TGP? [Re: TDog]  
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Sorry I should have been clearer. Lock the target with the TGP, set SPI with TGP (TMS FWD SHORT), switch SOI to MAV, Set SPI with MAV (TMS FWD LONG )and quickly initiate track (TMS FWD SHORT).

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Originally Posted By: Nate
Sorry I should have been clearer. Lock the target with the TGP, set SPI with TGP (TMS FWD SHORT), switch SOI to MAV, Set SPI with MAV (TMS FWD LONG )and quickly initiate track (TMS FWD SHORT).


Thanks, Nate, I'll give that a shot later when I have time and see if I can do any better.


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#3116189 - 10/15/10 04:48 PM Re: Slave Mav to TGP? [Re: TDog]  
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Thanks to everyone who has contributed here. I finally figured out my problem. Didn't have a HOLD (/H) modifier in front of the switch I was using for TMS FWD in my Cougar profile. D'oh!!! duh

So, the MAV tracker slews to the SPI now. Still haven't gotten the hang of the two-step lock yet but I'm sure it'll come.

Also there's a trk file on THIS thread (post #52) that shows a technique for long range Mav locks using the Force Correlate mode, as long as your target is stationary.

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#3116191 - 10/15/10 04:48 PM Re: Slave Mav to TGP? [Re: TDog]  
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Mav slew is WIP (i hope) as it wanders all over the place and only holds ground stabilisation for less than a second

(bugger, didnt see the last 6 posts. my IE didnt refresh. ignore me! wink

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+1 Scarface - the Maverick attempts to lock after slewing: there's no "target lock" button.

The real Maverick sometimes has difficulties locking onto a target, so I think this may be true behavior modeled (a track would help). The Maverick has a Force Correlate mode (in A-10, move the boat switch to center with the Maverick as SOI) that helps force a lock, but double check before you hit the pickle switch as it may not have locked onto your intended target! This mode (in real life) can also result in more misses due to the way the Maverick is locking onto the scene. It should only be used on fixed targets.


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#3116440 - 10/15/10 09:56 PM Re: Slave Mav to TGP? [Re: TDog]  
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Originally Posted By: TDog
Thanks to everyone who has contributed here. I finally figured out my problem. Didn't have a HOLD (/H) modifier in front of the switch I was using for TMS FWD in my Cougar profile. D'oh!!! duh

So, the MAV tracker slews to the SPI now. Still haven't gotten the hang of the two-step lock yet but I'm sure it'll come.

Also there's a trk file on THIS thread (post #52) that shows a technique for long range Mav locks using the Force Correlate mode, as long as your target is stationary.


TDog, thanks for the link to that post and track!!! It showed me that I wasn't doing anything wrong at all but just wasn't waiting long enough/getting close enough at the altitude I was flying at to get it to lock. Now I can actually hit stuff! Though I did have to use the active pause cheat while figuring this stuff out now I hope to not need it. thumbsup cheers Thanks again!


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