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#3090775 - 09/09/10 04:23 PM Re: Military Monday 6 September 2010 [Re: fatty]
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Only if the server has team-switching enabled. Otherwise, you cannot switch seats without physically exiting the cockpit and getting back in. As pilot, you can enable manual fire which gives you control over weapon selection and firing.
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#3090804 - 09/09/10 05:01 PM Re: Military Monday 6 September 2010 [Re: gatordev]
LIONPRIDE
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Originally Posted By: gatordev
... I think what Fatty says above is really the issue. You are absolutely right...a scout shouldn't be in the middle of the tracers. But the AH-6 (as modeled in Arma2) doesn't have the sensors to be as helpful as I think you were hoping. The trade-off, at least as I perceive it, is to make a run-in at high speed, lay down a large amount of suppressive fire (w/ the mini-guns) and then egress. Maybe it was one of those times when the game engine smiles upon the brave, because I didn't really take much damage despite what you may have seen. But standing still and scouting could result in one well-placed bullet into the bubble and the pilot knocked out of play.

NIXER use to fly low - prob only about 10-20-meters off the deck and lay waste to all who should oppose - quickly "jink" and egressing through his entrance route - it was impressive - no extreme forward movement observed - [sorta LIKE THIS] - we need that dude back ... no offence

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Originally Posted By: gatordev

What I find amusing is that the previous mission, where you used the well-armored Apache to scout, as it was designed to do, resulted in you getting shot down. I'm not saying that's the wrong play for that particular platform, just amusing when you consider the balsa and tissue paper construction that is the MD-500 (compared to the Apache).

I found this amusing - popcorn <---- me waiting for Mag to respond

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Originally Posted By: gatordev

As for you being the Squad leader...you're right. I know the general ROE here is that the SL makes the call, period. Right or wrong, it's just different in the aviation community where the aircraft commander has the final say on what happens to his aircraft. So I apologize for not following the local ROE. I don't agree w/ the decision, but I understand that's not necessarily the point. And for what it's worth, that's why I posted the AAR in another thread. Just to give some perspective. I certainly plan to continue playing w/ a great group of people next Monday as long as I'm still welcome (and as long as they don't send me to the boat...which I'm hearing rumblings about).

The Squad Leader (at least the way I perceive it) is and Overarching Commander - that includes vehicles as well as personnel - that being said - you're right - the A/C Commander does have the final say in the Air Frame - but is given specific tasking by their Command and if that tasking isn't clear (I would imagine) the A/C Commander would clarify prior to the mission.

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Originally Posted By: gatordev

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Not trying to be controversial with you, just really want to know... that is the tactic for a scout, little bird now?


Just a quick follow up... I'm not an Army Scout pilot, so I don't know what their tactics are ... But generally, as a helo, your one major defense against small arms is energy, which usually comes from speed. Unless you have really well trained gunners, optically guided munitions are going to be defeated by energy and changing the three dimensional picture rapidly (jinking). You can usually pull that off in Arma2 as long as you have speed.

I would agree with this - if the helicopter was caught off guard - ... BIG IF - great tactic - otherwise combat helicopters (including scouts) tend to use the bob-up method

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#3091338 - 09/10/10 03:27 PM Re: Military Monday 6 September 2010 [Re: ]
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When I post this, it's to address your post and it's not meant to continue an argument w/ Magnum, as we've PM'ed and are good to go, or at least so I perceive. But...

Originally Posted By: gatordev


Just a quick follow up... I'm not an Army Scout pilot, so I don't know what their tactics are ... But generally, as a helo, your one major defense against small arms is energy, which usually comes from speed. Unless you have really well trained gunners, optically guided munitions are going to be defeated by energy and changing the three dimensional picture rapidly (jinking). You can usually pull that off in Arma2 as long as you have speed.


Originally Posted By: LIONPRIDE
I would agree with this - if the helicopter was caught off guard - ... BIG IF - great tactic - otherwise combat helicopters (including scouts) tend to use the bob-up method

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No, they don't.


Edited by gatordev (09/11/10 05:04 PM)

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#3091356 - 09/10/10 04:01 PM Re: Military Monday 6 September 2010 [Re: gatordev]
LIONPRIDE
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Please refrain from making posts in this manner - this is your quote - not mine -
Originally Posted By: LIONPRIDE

Just a quick follow up... I'm not an Army Scout pilot, so I don't know what their tactics are ... But generally, as a helo, your one major defense against small arms is energy, which usually comes from speed. Unless you have really well trained gunners, optically guided munitions are going to be defeated by energy and changing the three dimensional picture rapidly (jinking). You can usually pull that off in Arma2 as long as you have speed.



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Originally Posted By: gatordev
When I post this, it's to address your post and it's not meant to continue an argument w/ Magnum, as we've PM'ed and are good to go, or at least so I perceive. But...


Interesting what you perceive to be an "argument" and what I feel is a discussion ---

Obviously we could play these games all day - the cloak and dagger crap - I'll assume you're a combat helicopter pilot and leave it at that -


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#3091901 - 09/11/10 05:15 PM Re: Military Monday 6 September 2010 [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: LIONPRIDE

Please refrain from making posts in this manner - this is your quote - not mine -


Relax, sunshine. It was a typo w/ the forum code. Obviously the "quote=LIONPRIDE" got bumped up to the wrong place when I was cleaning up the quotes. It has been corrected.

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Originally Posted By: gatordev
When I post this, it's to address your post and it's not meant to continue an argument w/ Magnum, as we've PM'ed and are good to go, or at least so I perceive. But...


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Interesting what you perceive to be an "argument" and what I feel is a discussion ---

Obviously we could play these games all day - the cloak and dagger crap - I'll assume you're a combat helicopter pilot and leave it at that -
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I'm not sure why you think you've been wronged. The "argument" comment was directed at Magnum just so he understood I wasn't arguing against his valid points. It had nothing to do with any of your posts. As for your bob-up question, we can certainly discuss it w/ in the confines of OPSEC, something I have no doubt you are familiar with.

I thought Fatty's post to my Haiti pics made it pretty clear. I wouldn't call myself a "combat" helicopter pilot. There's plenty of other people out there that qualify for that title more than me. But I have spent time studying and then flying Ps diagrams, SAC-T, and even just conducting simple ISR while trying not to be seen or heard by some dudes in a LSV waiting for their next refueling "customer." None of that involves sitting in a hover w/ zero kinetic energy. That's all I was getting at.


Edited by gatordev (09/11/10 05:16 PM)

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#3091920 - 09/11/10 06:30 PM Re: Military Monday 6 September 2010 [Re: gatordev]
LIONPRIDE
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Originally Posted By: gatordev

Relax, sunshine ...

Hey - Hey - only my wife gets to call me names - unfortunately none of them are as kind as yours

Originally Posted By: gatordev
I'm not sure why you think you've been wronged.

Never said I was "wronged" - thought we were discussing combat helicopter tactics - not a pilot myself - but have studied for many years

Originally Posted By: gatordev
It had nothing to do with any of your posts. As for your bob-up question, we can certainly discuss it w/ in the confines of OPSEC, something I have no doubt you are familiar with.

I'm in COMMS - so I know OPSEC - I would LOVE to talk about it some time over a beer - but I don't have that magic "need to know"

Originally Posted By: gatordev
I thought Fatty's post to my Haiti pics made it pretty clear. I wouldn't call myself a "combat" helicopter pilot. There's plenty of other people out there that qualify for that title more than me. But I have spent time studying and then flying Ps diagrams, SAC-T, and even just conducting simple ISR while trying not to be seen or heard by some dudes in a LSV waiting for their next refueling "customer." None of that involves sitting in a hover w/ zero kinetic energy. That's all I was getting at.


Understood ---


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#3092052 - 09/12/10 04:01 AM Re: Military Monday 6 September 2010 [Re: fatty]
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Eh, it's not so much the "need to know," just not needing to blast it out on the interwebs. The beer idea is probably the best solution.

Now, as far as talking helicopters, I'm all in. Even those "ugly" orange ones that I think you're used to seeing.

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