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#3056496 - 07/20/10 05:27 PM Re: F4AF Modification Available ***** [Re: Ed_1]
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Thanks for breaking it down Ed.


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#3056955 - 07/21/10 11:11 AM Re: F4AF Modification Available [Re: Skunk1_Viking]
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Thanks for the advice Ed_1. Will arrange some time with the squadron to test that out. Need to convince someone to install the mod first. =D

I assume that another pilot in a block 52 CCIP should be sufficient to act as a drone?

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#3056969 - 07/21/10 11:22 AM Re: F4AF Modification Available [Re: Zaphael]
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A drone is an aircraft that will fly straight and narrow at a constant speed and altitude regardless of the situation. It does not react. You wont be able to achieve that in the retail version of AF unless that drone is your buddy.


Edited by SW_Viking (07/21/10 11:56 AM)
Edit Reason: clarifed

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#3056975 - 07/21/10 11:28 AM Re: F4AF Modification Available [Re: Zaphael]
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Originally Posted By: Zaphael
Thanks for the advice Ed_1. Will arrange some time with the squadron to test that out. Need to convince someone to install the mod first. =D

I assume that another pilot in a block 52 CCIP should be sufficient to act as a drone?

Yes, that will work , only issue you get with F16 is time/struggle for it to get up to that speed/altitude in my test .
My test was not a in game performance test with respect to guidance/kill %. It was pure flight model performance .

To give you idea, when we did online tests with F16, we tested if my memory is good around 30-35k alt (I don't recall exact speeds for shooter/target). but the results were around 35-36 for lower versions, the C5 was better than 120b and C4 . In max range the scale went like this from short to long aim120C4 , aim120B, aim120C5. we never officially tested with beta tester the C7 .
So you can see my test might be slightly more than you can reproduce but that will be across all versions, so % wise should be there .

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#3057006 - 07/21/10 12:14 PM Re: F4AF Modification Available [Re: Ed_1]
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Hey Ed, I just looked, there's indeed a longer range C7 version in and pre 1.07. The range and missile motor data is different compared to the C7 after 1.08.
actually i remember early AF campaign days where i used to load 12 or 14 of those on a F-16XL and shoot the wall of migs. (I was young and ignorant:D) Rmax2 is 20~23nm at 25k+ or something like that, DLZ is pretty accurate and that's a huge range advantage!!!


Edited by Schwalbe (07/21/10 12:15 PM)

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#3057030 - 07/21/10 12:35 PM Re: F4AF Modification Available [Re: Schwalbe]
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Ok, If it is we modeled it that way, honestly I think it still might be to good (range wise) . The C8/aim120 is suppose to be better than C7 by 50% .
The USAF generally test at very high altitudes with F22, F18 ,F15 .
Lets say 50k version now I could see 70+ nm add 50% you got over 105nm .

I see now few small issues with C7 , some help it others would hinder a bit . I think with other .

Edit: probably before 1.06 the C7 had errors like all other missiles and when we fixed them, you have whats now .Remember this was still beta, not meant for prime time, but its probably close in respect to other versions .

Also the AI launch and no escape DLZ is from the range data of DLZ. you want to keep that on conservative side especially with such long range missile and bubble issues that can crop up .


Edited by Ed_1 (07/21/10 12:46 PM)

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#3057065 - 07/21/10 01:14 PM Re: F4AF Modification Available [Re: Ed_1]
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Ah, I see there is some miscommunication here.

I didn't fire the AIM-120C5 and the C7 during my test. Master Arm was on SIM, I swear. =D

The "drone" was a blue-force F-4 Phantom flying a long CAP steer point. I had like 60 miles between STP3 and STP4. All I did was bug the Phantom with an F-16 loaded with the B, C5 and C7 AMRAAMs. Then I basically compared the DLZ that was displayed on my HUD.

I was looking for any differences in the DLZ between the three models of the AIM-120 when I called it up while bugged on the F-4. There were differences between the B, and the C5. But no visible DLZ changes between C5 and C7. The Phantom was flying level with no evasive manuevering as no missiles were shot. =)

I was only looking at DLZ changes on the HUD.

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#3057082 - 07/21/10 01:26 PM Re: F4AF Modification Available [Re: Zaphael]
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Thats going to be hard to test, with AI , but the DLZ is longer on C7, how much might depend on alt (lower altitudes and speed maybe be close that you can't tell )
The range DLZ is larger I am looking at it right now. the performance will probably show a lot better .Oh don't look at max number on top of DLZ, you need to match up range of Rmax1 , maybe that's throwing you off .

Edit , I see the problem , pointer error . AF is fine .

Ed


Edited by Ed_1 (07/21/10 01:46 PM)

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#3057307 - 07/21/10 06:13 PM Re: F4AF Modification Available [Re: Ed_1]
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Originally Posted By: Ed_1
AF is fine .....

Ed


oooh snap!! ar15 biggrin


Edited by Schwalbe (07/21/10 06:14 PM)

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#3057930 - 07/22/10 04:03 PM Re: F4AF Modification Available [Re: Schwalbe]
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Maybe I'm missing something here, but how do you fly the new planes? I wanna bust out on my A-10!

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