See the new Developers Diaries section as to why....

http://forum.yuplay.com/index.php?s=62dfa175fa7a801467322d132a9c8a0d&showtopic=2297

So after being told that the game will be supported it's now not going to be and we'll need to buy the sequel to get the stuff that was promised, I'm out.

Sequel will be much more online oriented, with unseen before level of supporting of user-genereatd mission. Online orientation doesn't mean that the game wont be playable in single-player.
* sequel will have lots of downloadable content addons from the begining. For example each location with planes from WoP will be presented as DLC (and it is going to be free for all users who bought WoP of course).
* sequel is going to have total 2-3 times more content then original WoP.
* we are planning to release sequel this year.

Hmmm, for me it will depend how much is 'free for all users who bought WoP' and how much they are charging to move to the sequel. I want desperately to like this game, but I have already paid 75 USD for game plus add ons: I was willing to pay an add on type fee to get the mission builder, but if I have to pony up the price again for a whole new game/sequel, I think I too will pass.

But if there is a special price for registered WoP owners, I may soften that stance...

It's funny you should say that I just made the same suggestion.

I think it's just great news. I had anticipated that the rework would cost much more than first thought and bought WoP for what it was then. It's worth its price in its present form, so if I get more later this year I don't mind paying more.

+1

Its is clear that WoP just wasnt commercially viable to redo almost completely, a new game will provide devs with more time and money which means more sim for us:) Great news!

I only hope they understand that second time round and with it being a new game the expectations will be higher still- simple missions editor will no longer cut it (by itself)- we need revamped FM and completely new DM, much better AI to name but three most important things. Otherwise-... it will be WoP history repeating.

It may be worth the money in it's current form, but that doesn't excuse the fact that people bought it on the promise of contiuned updates and support for the original WoP, a mission builder and dedicated servers being something that was said was in development a long time ago, now they tell us that we need to buy the sequel for those things, that is NOT supporting the original WoP as previously mentioned.

Yes, they did promise, but they also said "if we achieve even 1/10 of IL2 sales" (or something similar)! And when you buy, you buy a finished product, patches are ONLY a nice bonus. Even Il2 has released something like 15discs during its span. The "everything DLC" RoF path is another alternative, but one cant expect big labor-intensive patches for free for game's lifetime when games sales dip( which something some wop buyers do- not directed at anybody particular)!..

I stopped expecting anything really from WoP after the "spring mega patch" debacle, but I do understand that money (as usual) was close to the centre of problems...

Its a good thing if they rethink, redo ,remap, redesign the core parts of WoP and release it as sequel, there is plenty of material there that is just too good to go to waste.

That came later, so no.


Patches are a nice bonus, promised content is promised content not a patch and no, a lot of us did not buy a finished product, we bought a beta with a lot of unfulfilled promises.

Glad to hear of a sequel, I never pay attention to promises

I got exactly what I was expecting; a fun game

Yeah, I think the developers were getting a bit carried away with "big future" plans and promises, and the game simply ended up being a port of xbox's BoP, something that was certainly not promised;) haha

I'm surprised they (allegedly) had so much problems with updating AI to work in missions editor- it is very similar to IL2's, down to endless defensive barrel rolls. Certainly looked lifted straight from IL2 together with FM... And yet its one of the main reason that the FMB is abandoned now for wop...

Oh well:) Just hope for sequel to have more beautiful maps (Afrika!), immersive campaigns and with added improved DM and tuned FM it could relieve us from monotony of English fields and meadows in (by then released) SoW (hm... not sure i believe that myself -SoW gonna rule the world with its physics and immersion:)

I have read many comments and made one or two but here's another for thought:

I don't think it's a lot unlike IL2s development, but this time (IMHO) and I repeat what I stated at an earlier time on SimHQ - this is a beta test bed for Storm of War. I feel (although and despite all iterations being considered "a good game"!) that unlike IL2s more natural progression the same process still took place.

This development is being "eked out" and drip fed until SOW is fully ready for release. It's a funny old thing both Gajin and 1c co-operated to such an extent. Perhaps the developers might like to comment but I have my opinion and time will tell.
Also the slightly "tamer" DRM is being fielded and so far enough consumers have accepted it. Not contraversial as I am not saying whether I agree or not - just stating an opinion on marketing.

I won't purchase this product until I see what the developers next step is. i.e. the one after
they have released WoP (Beta?) version 2! A mission builder would be excellent but this carrot is tied to an increase in required resources to run (maybe nearer to SoW standards - Perhaps??).

Anyway chaps just some thoughts so don't shoot me as I said I've got cynical over the years and I'd love to see myself proven wrong. Well see.

All the Best - Mort

Guys, sequel ANNOUNCE to be sometime later this year.
No timeline for the game itself.

Thanks for honest clarification!

Yeah Dano.. but I think that what happened was that they realized that they could not do the upgrades without radically changing the code.. sort of like the IL2---> Forgotten Battles upgrade if you go back that far. I understand that scenario. We shall see. I will continue to support the sim.. and IMO if they were smart they would offer a sliding discount say of 20-50% for people who have already bought content for WoP considering the way this all developed. That would go a long way towards easing some of the gripes that many have. IL2 was pretty well supported before FB came out and it had all the features that WoP current;y lacks. If it did not we probably wouldn't be flying it today.

I won't buy it either unless it contains the mission builder, missions, campaigns, more planes, more cockpits, and better tuned FM and DM. The Force Feedback needs to be implemented much better.

I passed on the Luftwaffle update, it's simply not worth the price of admission. I work hard for my money and don't like to waste it.

+1 Nice and short summary of my thoughts on the subject:)

Exactly...what they said!

Regards,

J. P. Kelly

ditto

this sim has such great potential, but still no snapviews, a weird user interface, and huge software addons that won't work unless paid for...

big disappointment from such an incredible game engine.

OK, I see some greed in action. I spent 40 bucks on WOP expecting some updates. There better be a BIG discount for us suckers who bought WOP and made the "sequel" possible.

And whats this BS about a mission editor requiring changes to the Flight Models...BS detectors are on full REd alert...or is it Brown Alert?