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#2981416 - 03/23/10 04:38 AM Re: The Pacific is on now! [Re: Dart]
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Originally Posted By: Dart
In Band of Brothers, the focus was on the men - hence the long, very long wind up (Curahee) before the pitch (Normandy) and the tight scripting to make sure we understood not only who was who, but how they interacted with each other and why it was important. The pivotal events in Bastogne weren't of stopping the Germans or the battle scenes - it was Toye and Garnier (sp!) getting hit, Buck suffering battle fatigue, and Spears taking over the platoon in the attack on Foye.

The Pacific seems to be more about events, and how small actions led to larger successes. They've focused on a few guys, but we're forced to play catch up in how they fit in and their relationships with one another. They put stuff in context quite a bit - why they were where they were doing what they were doing, something that was glossed over pretty quickly in Band of Brothers.

So I'm taking Band of Brothers to be a narrative of just one select group of Soldiers and The Pacific to be the story of every Marine, if that makes sense.

I wouldn't say it is better or worse, just different.


Interestingly, the narrative fits with the history of the US involvement in the Theatres of Operations. In continental Europe the US ground forces arrived quite late and took a good while before they went into action. In the Pacific they were thrown into it from the get-go. Same with the series.
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#2981417 - 03/23/10 04:42 AM Re: The Pacific is on now! [Re: nibbio]
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John Basilone meets Fiorello La Guardia... priceless

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FsKhy2uM9w


Priceless, yep. And it also shows the big difference between politicians then and now. "You must make SACRIFICES to buy war bonds!" La Guardia says ...Compared to doling out huge tax cuts when going to war with Terrorism 60 years later...

La Guardia was a WWI vet by the way, he flew bombers in the Great war.
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#2981429 - 03/23/10 05:30 AM Re: The Pacific is on now! [Re: Bluefish]
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Originally Posted By: Bluefish
I've watched both episodes and I'm having the devil's own time telling the characters apart (other than the fact that Basilone is the one hauling the Browning MG around) and keeping track of the plot line. OTOH I haven't read either of the books on which the series is supposedly based- is it easier to follow if you have?
I haven't seen The Pacific yet, but this is a problem I have with a lot of war movies/series. With their helmet on they all look the same to me smile
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#2981655 - 03/23/10 10:53 AM Re: The Pacific is on now! [Re: ForSquirrels]
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This second episode reminded me of something from MOH-Pacific Assault..

Seriously however, both my 18 year old son and I watched it together.. When I asked what he thought, he says "well, it's kind of hard to follow"..

I wasn't necessarily surprised at his reaction. I'm leaning toward a disconnect on the characters too as Bluefish suggests.. although I think it will come with time.

Band of Brothers was an easier story to follow because it dealt with a particular unit where the characters remained fairly intact throughout the episodes. In this one, there seems to be new characters appearing at random and you feel like you should know who they are - or rather you feel like you've missed something... maybe reading the books beforehand would help. I'm kind of getting "Flags of Our Fathers" vibes from it as well.

The strongest point it has so far is the production quality. It seems to project authenticity better than most war flicks - certainly better than those cheesy ones from the '70's.
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#2981686 - 03/23/10 11:35 AM Re: The Pacific is on now! [Re: Boilerplate*]
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jeez how is this hard to follow ? then you people complain of dumbed down movies and series........

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#2981770 - 03/23/10 01:30 PM Re: The Pacific is on now! [Re: Blade_RJ]
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Bravo.. brilliant reposte..smile

If you have to ask, then you didn't read..
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#2981776 - 03/23/10 01:39 PM Re: The Pacific is on now! [Re: Boilerplate*]
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It will be a long wait for the DVD release....I'm really enjoying it.

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#2981861 - 03/23/10 04:23 PM Re: The Pacific is on now! [Re: Boilerplate*]
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Anyone that has spent any time watching "The Military or History Channel" should already know who Basilone and Sledge and Puller are.

Also, Chesty wrote a book Called "Once a Marine" that should be read if you are interested in the Marines.
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#2981936 - 03/23/10 07:21 PM Re: The Pacific is on now! [Re: iron mike]
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Originally Posted By: iron mike
Anyone that has spent any time watching "The Military or History Channel" should already know who Basilone and Sledge and Puller are.

Also, Chesty wrote a book Called "Once a Marine" that should be read if you are interested in the Marines.


With all due respect..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Phillips

was my great uncle..

Actually I missed the 1st half hour of the program last weekend. Perhaps that's when they introduced the characters? I haven't really picked up on the names too much from the program until now... that might be one of the problems. You see, I read the book "Band of Brothers" before I saw the series.

And you're right, I wouldn't have known those names until you pointed them out to me. Though probably sometime in the distant past I read a dry text of their actions - (I'm finding with OA, I'm not good with names anymore) Certainly if I were a scholar on the Marine campaigns in the Pacific as you seem to portray yourself as then yes, they would ring a big bell. But most of my reading was confined for years to military aviation history and more recently, the American Civil War.
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#2982042 - 03/24/10 01:28 AM Re: The Pacific is on now! [Re: Boilerplate*]
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ouch i feel bad, just read on magazine about the show, that my favorite character so far that i guessed would be dead by ep 4 , is actually someone who died in 45 in iwo jima landing, so is very possible the character will die by ep4 or 5 :/

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