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#2980767 - 03/22/10 07:33 AM Re: WIP Sopwith Camel Lt Breadner No 3 Naval Sqn [Re: FiveDigits]
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The PC10 Recipe

Lets see for 100 gallons (Imperial btw) of PC10 dope
260 pounds nitro Cellulose syrup
74 pounds of pigments in the following proportions
40 pounds yellow ochre
30 pounds umber
2 pounds 8 ounces Red Ochre
1 pound 8 ounces Chinese Blue.

Once that lot was assembled it was added to
20 gallons Acetone or Methyl ethyl ketone
15 gallons Amyl Acetate
15 Gallons benzol
15 gallons Methylated spirit

Just mix your colors like this, and it should be perfect. Easy
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#2980769 - 03/22/10 07:35 AM Re: WIP Sopwith Camel Lt Breadner No 3 Naval Sqn [Re: Pooch]
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OOPS! Someone already did that!! How the hell did I miss that?! Sorry.
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#2980770 - 03/22/10 07:35 AM Re: WIP Sopwith Camel Lt Breadner No 3 Naval Sqn [Re: Pooch]
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And Im thought I was being so clever.
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#2980774 - 03/22/10 07:44 AM Re: WIP Sopwith Camel Lt Breadner No 3 Naval Sqn [Re: FiveDigits]
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this was one general recipe and the key was: it was a general one [Ming's punctuation and emphasis]


Like the centipede that fell over when trying to work out which foot to put first Splash, use your own judgment on brown mate: no one knows what colour anything 'actually' was back then and the colours of models (the source of the colour info) look very different to real-size aircraft colours. Colours look different when they're in smaller or bigger patches, and also a colour changes depending on which colours surround colour-patches, nervous-system thing. Brown will be fine Smile2

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74 pounds of pigments in the following proportions
40 pounds yellow ochre
30 pounds umber
2 pounds 8 ounces Red Ochre
1 pound 8 ounces Chinese Blue.

Their yellow ochre is not our yellow ochre, their Chinese Blue (Chinese Blue?) is not our Chinese Blue and so on

Yellow ochre (earth colour) plus red ochre (earth colour) equals orange ochre plus blue is khaki, umber (earth colour) just darkens the khaki so we're talking about dark brown depending on the strength of the umber

No green anywhere, these are purely secondary colours and mix down to the colour of the output of the digestive system, cacker. That's why they call it khak Smile2

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#2980777 - 03/22/10 07:48 AM Re: WIP Sopwith Camel Lt Breadner No 3 Naval Sqn [Re: Ming_EAF19]
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And Im thought I was being so clever

You were mate, but there are so many variables and unknowns in that recipe. Only one thing one can be absolutely sure of, it'll mix down to a brown of some sort. We all learned very early on that mixing red yellow and blue mixes down to brown, in playschool I mean: or in my case Borstal Smile2

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#2980809 - 03/22/10 08:26 AM Re: WIP Sopwith Camel Lt Breadner No 3 Naval Sqn [Re: Ming_EAF19]
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That's some whacky skin, interesting pick for an in-game paint.

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#2980880 - 03/22/10 10:22 AM Re: WIP Sopwith Camel Lt Breadner No 3 Naval Sqn [Re: Morgans_Raiders]
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Originally Posted By: Morgans_Raiders
I really like the looks of your work there, Splash...very nice. Has that been posted for download anywhere yet?


No, not yet I might put it up if there is interest. smile

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#2980934 - 03/22/10 11:46 AM Re: WIP Sopwith Camel Lt Breadner No 3 Naval Sqn [Re: EAF92_Splash]
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I haven't as much as sniffed the beta and what with my massive rig I bet shots would be good plus twelve quid and two tickets to the Model Railway at Chessington Zoo. Platform only and bring your own sandwiches

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#2981008 - 03/22/10 01:22 PM Re: WIP Sopwith Camel Lt Breadner No 3 Naval Sqn [Re: EAF92_Splash]
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Originally Posted By: EAF92_Splash
Originally Posted By: Morgans_Raiders
I really like the looks of your work there, Splash...very nice. Has that been posted for download anywhere yet?


No, not yet I might put it up if there is interest. smile

Splash


Of course there is, your skins have been superb so far Splash...must haves in fact. Not only because of the quality but also for the interesting subjects you've chosen.
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#2981348 - 03/22/10 11:36 PM Re: WIP Sopwith Camel Lt Breadner No 3 Naval Sqn [Re: RSColonel_131st]
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Originally Posted By: RSColonel_131st
That's some whacky skin, interesting pick for an in-game paint.


Well it worked for the "Axis" sorry, Central Powers and their multi coloured Flying Circus.

This guy was a Camel "Ace"

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