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#2980636 - 03/22/10 01:48 AM Re: WIP Sopwith Camel Lt Breadner No 3 Naval Sqn [Re: EAF92_Splash]
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Well, maybe this colour issue needs to be discussed a bit more?
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#2980673 - 03/22/10 04:32 AM Re: WIP Sopwith Camel Lt Breadner No 3 Naval Sqn [Re: Freycinet]
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Nice thanks Splash!

colour issue

We just paint em with whatever paint stock's issued there's a war on Smile2

I can imagine the bods at HQ debating what exact shade of brown ought to be used. The Honourable Poncington-Brewer dancing around shrieking about the exact shade of taupe, the flippertygibbet's khaki. I'd put them all in the Army Smile2

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taupe#Sandy_taupe

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#2980716 - 03/22/10 05:59 AM Re: WIP Sopwith Camel Lt Breadner No 3 Naval Sqn [Re: Brigstock]
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Originally Posted By: Brigstock

There used to be lengthy debates on the colour of the RFC dope, known as PC10,


I will check the net and various forums to see if there are any RGB values that match.

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#2980719 - 03/22/10 06:06 AM Re: WIP Sopwith Camel Lt Breadner No 3 Naval Sqn [Re: Freycinet]
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Originally Posted By: Freycinet
Well, maybe this colour issue needs to be discussed a bit more?


Hmmm...let's see

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The PC10 Recipe

Lets see for 100 gallons (Imperial btw) of PC10 dope
260 pounds nitro Cellulose syrup
74 pounds of pigments in the following proportions
40 pounds yellow ochre
30 pounds umber
2 pounds 8 ounces Red Ochre
1 pound 8 ounces Chinese Blue.

Once that lot was assembled it was added to
20 gallons Acetone or Methyl ethyl ketone
15 gallons Amyl Acetate
15 Gallons benzol
15 gallons Methylated spirit

http://wwi-cookup.com/sopwith/modelling/pc10.html


PC10 is a bit of a slippery colour for historians to nail down as it changed from a brown to green shade as the war progressed. Additionally as it was subject to weathering, it browned in colour. So in my humble opinion It started out as a definite brown shade in the early days of the RFC, progressed to a shade closer to green but went back to brown with weathering/sun bleaching. In summary they either started out brown or green that turned brown. smile
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#2980721 - 03/22/10 06:12 AM Re: WIP Sopwith Camel Lt Breadner No 3 Naval Sqn [Re: Brigstock]
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Originally Posted By: Brigstock
So in my humble opinion It started out as a definite brown shade in the early days of the RFC, progressed to a shade closer to green but went back to brown with weathering/sun bleaching. In summary they either started out brown or green that turned brown. smile


Where in that train of thought do you put the skin? Maybe I need to adapt it in some way.

I knew I should have stuck to the Axis reading

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#2980724 - 03/22/10 06:20 AM Re: WIP Sopwith Camel Lt Breadner No 3 Naval Sqn [Re: Brigstock]
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Hi Splash

I had a quick look

http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/colorcharts/stuff_eng_colorcharts_uk.htm

is a good source for colour references, unfortunately the only colour giving an error is PC10.
It gives it as FS 14087

However I did track down this
http://www.rhinehartdevelopment.com/finishing/content/files/Federal_Standard_595_Paint_Spec.pdf FS

According to that document 14087 = 3C341F
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#2980725 - 03/22/10 06:24 AM Re: WIP Sopwith Camel Lt Breadner No 3 Naval Sqn [Re: EAF92_Splash]
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Originally Posted By: EAF92_Splash


Where in that train of thought do you put the skin? Maybe I need to adapt it in some way.

I knew I should have stuck to the Axis reading

Splash


My thought is they started out an absolute brown and even if they did move towards green at the end of the war, that green turned brown. So brown it is wink

Stick to the Axis.....no absolutely not. It would be a crime
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#2980728 - 03/22/10 06:25 AM Re: WIP Sopwith Camel Lt Breadner No 3 Naval Sqn [Re: Brigstock]
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Thanks mate,

FS 14087? I have the RGB values that correspond to that. I will adapt the skin when I get home from work and could send it to you (PM me your email) or post a pic in this thread.

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#2980736 - 03/22/10 06:35 AM Re: WIP Sopwith Camel Lt Breadner No 3 Naval Sqn [Re: EAF92_Splash]
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I really like the looks of your work there, Splash...very nice. Has that been posted for download anywhere yet?

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#2980747 - 03/22/10 07:03 AM Re: WIP Sopwith Camel Lt Breadner No 3 Naval Sqn [Re: Morgans_Raiders]
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There was no "Axis" in WWI, just Central Powers. neaner
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