I've had a change of tack and decided to do a British machine for a change. (I can picture Ming clapping and cheering )

Still a WIP I have to add the fancy stripes and weather the whole plane.



Comments good/bad would be appreciated.

Splash

NICE!

Jason

Update, added tail markings/weathering




Splash

bonzai!

Splash, can I ask you, in the lower right picture of your montage (first post), which program are you using to view the Camel 3D model?...is it 3DMax? Do you use any plugins to view it?

Go into your Rise of Flight folder on your HDD and open the folder named bin_viewer

Thanks Brigstock!

Glad to see you turn your attention away from the dark side
Nice work Splash, I remember some of the Skins you did for IL2. But you seem to have found your niche with RoF. Keep up the good work

One small thing though, could you tone down the Green to a more brownie green. There used to be lengthy debates on the colour of the RFC dope, known as PC10, back in the RB days.
Your profile example picks up the brownish colour of the Camel and if you see the Old Warden Sopwiths you can see they favour the PC10 is brown approach too.

For example

Hi Recon3, picture is taken as Brigstock says using the User Viewer from ROF itself. I used it in conjuction with FRAPS and then used the screen print button to take the picture.

Splash

No problem mate, the colour used is from the actual template the ROF team released. I wasn't sure they had it correct either but left it as is because my knowledge on WW1 colours is limited, I will amend it when I get the chance.

Splash

Well, maybe this colour issue needs to be discussed a bit more?

Nice thanks Splash!

colour issue

We just paint em with whatever paint stock's issued there's a war on

I can imagine the bods at HQ debating what exact shade of brown ought to be used. The Honourable Poncington-Brewer dancing around shrieking about the exact shade of taupe, the flippertygibbet's khaki. I'd put them all in the Army

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taupe#Sandy_taupe

Ming

I will check the net and various forums to see if there are any RGB values that match.

Splash

Hmmm...let's see



PC10 is a bit of a slippery colour for historians to nail down as it changed from a brown to green shade as the war progressed. Additionally as it was subject to weathering, it browned in colour. So in my humble opinion It started out as a definite brown shade in the early days of the RFC, progressed to a shade closer to green but went back to brown with weathering/sun bleaching. In summary they either started out brown or green that turned brown.

Where in that train of thought do you put the skin? Maybe I need to adapt it in some way.

I knew I should have stuck to the Axis

Splash

Hi Splash

I had a quick look

http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/colorcharts/stuff_eng_colorcharts_uk.htm

is a good source for colour references, unfortunately the only colour giving an error is PC10.
It gives it as FS 14087

However I did track down this
http://www.rhinehartdevelopment.com/finishing/content/files/Federal_Standard_595_Paint_Spec.pdf FS

According to that document 14087 = 3C341F

My thought is they started out an absolute brown and even if they did move towards green at the end of the war, that green turned brown. So brown it is

Stick to the Axis.....no absolutely not. It would be a crime

Thanks mate,

FS 14087? I have the RGB values that correspond to that. I will adapt the skin when I get home from work and could send it to you (PM me your email) or post a pic in this thread.

Splash

I really like the looks of your work there, Splash...very nice. Has that been posted for download anywhere yet?

There was no "Axis" in WWI, just Central Powers.

The PC10 Recipe

Lets see for 100 gallons (Imperial btw) of PC10 dope
260 pounds nitro Cellulose syrup
74 pounds of pigments in the following proportions
40 pounds yellow ochre
30 pounds umber
2 pounds 8 ounces Red Ochre
1 pound 8 ounces Chinese Blue.

Once that lot was assembled it was added to
20 gallons Acetone or Methyl ethyl ketone
15 gallons Amyl Acetate
15 Gallons benzol
15 gallons Methylated spirit

Just mix your colors like this, and it should be perfect. Easy

OOPS! Someone already did that!! How the hell did I miss that?! Sorry.

And Im thought I was being so clever.

Like the centipede that fell over when trying to work out which foot to put first Splash, use your own judgment on brown mate: no one knows what colour anything 'actually' was back then and the colours of models (the source of the colour info) look very different to real-size aircraft colours. Colours look different when they're in smaller or bigger patches, and also a colour changes depending on which colours surround colour-patches, nervous-system thing. Brown will be fine


Their yellow ochre is not our yellow ochre, their Chinese Blue (Chinese Blue?) is not our Chinese Blue and so on

Yellow ochre (earth colour) plus red ochre (earth colour) equals orange ochre plus blue is khaki, umber (earth colour) just darkens the khaki so we're talking about dark brown depending on the strength of the umber

No green anywhere, these are purely secondary colours and mix down to the colour of the output of the digestive system, cacker. That's why they call it khak

Ming

And Im thought I was being so clever

You were mate, but there are so many variables and unknowns in that recipe. Only one thing one can be absolutely sure of, it'll mix down to a brown of some sort. We all learned very early on that mixing red yellow and blue mixes down to brown, in playschool I mean: or in my case Borstal

Ming

That's some whacky skin, interesting pick for an in-game paint.

No, not yet I might put it up if there is interest.

Splash

I haven't as much as sniffed the beta and what with my massive rig I bet shots would be good plus twelve quid and two tickets to the Model Railway at Chessington Zoo. Platform only and bring your own sandwiches

Ming

Of course there is, your skins have been superb so far Splash...must haves in fact. Not only because of the quality but also for the interesting subjects you've chosen.

Well it worked for the "Axis" sorry, Central Powers and their multi coloured Flying Circus.

This guy was a Camel "Ace"

Splash

Might take me to the weekend to finish and upload it, "real" life has kicked in again which is holding me up.

Watch this thread!

Splash

Good stuff Splash and an interesting choice, bit wacky but I like it! Take yer time mate it will be worth waiting for, and thanks kindly!

Brigs I've changed the colour from the original to the new colour specified from you (FS14087)

Below is the original and New PC10 side by side


A picture of new PC10 in crashed and flight


Is it better?

Splash

Is it better?

I think so

The inflight shot is superb....Love it

Wonderful skin. I would tone down the brightness of the red "Sunrays" a little bit.

Updated Lt Breadner




Another one I have been working on "Black Prince" flown by FSL W. J Mckenzie No 13 Sqdn RNAS.

This plane was in service with Seaplane Defence Squadron in Dunkirk in Oct 1917, later (Jan 15th 1918)it was attached to No13 Sqdn RNAS. Flown by FSL Mckenzie it crashed close to Bergues on Feb 19th 1918

I know there was a Sopworth Triplane of the same name.





Splash

Wooaaah, looking forward to the "Black Prince", Its like the Darth Vader of the Camel world, no nonsense lol......The Force is Strong in this One

Glad you changed the main colour too, looks much more accurate and better, well done Brigstock for the suggestion

Keep up the good work Splash, fantastic stuff

The biplane was a fragile piece of equipment and prone to damage, A quick unfinished repair and off it goes.



I was just interested to see what it would be like in game.


Splash

A new patch. I like it. Great work Splash.

Splash, just a few suggestions....Breadners plane - red on nose and on tail (red stripes) should be slightly desaturated and darkened....

on last screenie (Black Prince?) black is too dark...should be less dark

otherwise very good work!

Ok, I will try it and post a couple of screenies, would appreciate your comments.

Here is Mckenzie with the Black adjusted



Breadner Before


After (desaturated and darkened/new template/ new skin colour)




Tvrdi is that any better?

Once inserted into the game I find that the light plays havoc with the skin as it looks different from all angles.
What time of day in game would give the best result?

Splash

Did you increase the wrinkles on the fuselage, or is it this awesome in the original template?

That desaturated version of Breadner looks absolutely awesome. Way to go man !

Yep, happy with that I can say it is endex with Lt Breadner.

Splash

I'm going to release these and try to get it into the game for mods off. The only problem is the translations to the other countries which is required.

French and German translations have been completed, just waiting for the Spanish and Russian now.

If you would like to translate please have a look at (link below)

http://riseofflight.com/Forum/viewtopic.php?f=112&t=8923

Many thanks

Splash

Fantastic work Splash, looking forward to seeing them in game.

WB.

Doing a fantastic job. Your hard work is really paying off. Very impressed

Unfortunately, nobody has come forward to translate the required text into Spanish and Russian.

At least I can fly them, mods on of course.

Splash

Whiskey, if it ever happens mate, I've managed to get the Spanish translation via Nepe. I sent him a PM from the EAF site.

Still waiting for a Russian translation for a game fron a Russian developer with Russian moderators etc etc, oh the irony

IL2 and the multiplayer cache gets my vote anytime. (Well done Oleg)

I don't even know at the moment if I can be ar*ed to carry on waiting to get it in the game.

Hmmmmm back to WW2 I think.

Splash

How about having a go at some 92 Sqn skins to keep you motivated?

WB.

WW1 SE5a's or WW2 Spitfires?

Splash

I know that this isn't a good authority, but I thought I would throw it in to the conversation. It also allows me to rack up some cool points.




More here.

http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/2995330/I_got_to_sit_in_a_Sopwith_Tri_.html#Post2995330

WW1 SE5a's of course. WW2 is SO yesterday!

WB.