Up in Canada, prices for many guns are beyond affordable: a Kimber .45 is around $2000, AR-15 pattern typically start at $1500 bone stock, and tricked out m-4's hover between $3-5000. Why? Many reasons, but it seems that a large part of it is the US State Dept: they are getting really restrictive and selective about just what parts and components will be allowed to be exported from your country. Add to that all the extra layers of paperwork, and the prices go up. Soon we may face issues with just getting repair parts for common shotguns from the USA. One guy had a custom shorty 7-8 in bbl M-4 style ultra-shorty, but had one of those ACOG 4x scopes on it...he figured the total cost was about $6000. It felt nice, scope was a revelation, but it belonged on a longer barrel, like 20in.


And this is why Canada is increasingly seeing sales of Chinese firearms: cheap, but parts also not an issue: M-14 clone for $400 new, .45 M1911A1 for just $325, shotguns for under $300. Most of us arent rich, and experience has shown us the Chinese stuff does work well. Maybe not Camp Perry National Match, but well. I'd buy Canadian, but there are no longer any mfg's in this country for civilian sales. I'd buy European, but that's spendy and plastic. I'd buy American but the price difference is very hard to justify. At least ammo is available and reasonably priced!

My buddy recently bought a used Remington 1100, and I have been getting decent at Trap and Wobbles. Tried Skeet yesterday...that's gonna be tough to master!

Here in Norway we have a very limited selection of "IPSC rifes" to choose from. Almost all are AR-15 clones, with some others thrown in.

A BUSHMASTER XM-15 V-MATCH here is currently ~$1800.

Not quite, Dlask manufactures their own civvy legal 1911s and ARs, Alberta Tactical rifle builds ARs and precision rifles, there's a couple of other outfits that build precision rifles as well. That sucks to hear about the rumored State Department shotgun part restrictions, I thought the "military purpose" ammo restrictions were bad enough.

Too bad we can't get Chinese guns, aside from shotguns here.

Would be great if we could still get cheap AKs and SKS ect.

How much is the Dlask 1911?

$1250-$2500 depending on model.

Some of their stuff's good, but most of it is just cut-rate trash that looks like it was made in someone's hut in Pakistan.

I'm with Crane. The metal seems different and I wonder how it will stand up to repeated firing. The rear sight on the M1A that I handled a while back was poor; resistant and then lacked the precise "clicks". The machining of the bolt and receiver are not quite as refined. The wood was the most readily apparent difference; really poor quality wood. But, I hear that they vary and there are some good ones.

On the other hand they make some pretty good optics for the price. I've a couple of their scopes when I was wrestling with my aging eyes. I wanted to try higher variable magnification to see if that helped, but didn't want to drop $1,500 without knowing. So I tried a Chinese made 8-32 x 50. I found that higher variable magnification was able to act like a pair of glasses and eliminate the multiple image problem I have. I also have one of their red dot holographic sights made by NC Star that works great and only cost $45.00. The scopes have had several hundred rounds through them and haven't shot out. They have some construction differences compared to better western equipment. The cross-hairs are a little thicker. That can be good and bad depending. In real life use the thicker crosshairs are easier to quickly pick-up and they don't get lost in background jumble as much as finer crosshairs. However on a sterile range, the finer crosshairs are better. The adjusting knobs have less of a defined "click" to them and are not as confidence assuring when click counting for different ranges. The glass is very good at close and medium range, but after 400 yards you can start seeing that they are not as good as the non-Chinese scopes. But for the average shooter and hunter, I recommend trying them. You can get them at about 1/7 the cost of a higher end scope. It is really a great difference in price for a small difference in quality.

Hornady 5.56mm 75-grain TAP, if you can find it (LE restricted for some retarded reason). Not the 75-grain .223 TAP or match. Argh. I need to get back into shooting, but it's so damn expensive. I have a Colt SBR that doesn't even have a shorty upper on it!

The difference being the slight difference in chamber dimentions? 5.56 Nato chamber vs the slightly tighter SAAMI spec .223 Rem? Or are you talking of something else?




LOL! get on it!

Actually I'm only recently back to shooting regularly, but with shotguns shooting clays in the air: skeet, trap, wobbles. Maybe later this year I'll try "Sporting Clays" too! I put a large green fibre optic "bead" on the rib and it's very nice for seeing it even periferally (sp?), quite bright! Its just a colored transparent plastic stick that collects light for the "bead" to be very visible.