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#2976028 - 03/13/10 07:25 PM Re: Building the Perfect M4 CQB Shorty... [Re: Skater]
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An ACOG..you bastage..I'm officially jealous..
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#2976047 - 03/13/10 08:13 PM Re: Building the Perfect M4 CQB Shorty... [Re: BeachAV8R]
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Let me tell you Beach... If I had to buy one now... I wouldn't. I just checked the prices at Brownell's, which are inflated, but they have them in stock, and I nearly fell out my chair... The model I have is $1700. I bought it for under $500 used in 2002 I think it was, but in pristine condition (they guy never even put it on his rifle because he had an A1 and did not like the high-rise look). Back then, new was about $660. I'm just not into paying almost a mortgage payment for optics. Got lucky I guess.

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#2976053 - 03/13/10 08:21 PM Re: Building the Perfect M4 CQB Shorty... [Re: Skater]
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I will probably get the Micro T1 and a LaserMax LMS-UNI-G with a momentary switch for this build by Christmas though. I have enough available optics to tide me over till then or even later. No hurry, but I don"t have much patience for stuff I want. smile

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#2976081 - 03/13/10 09:25 PM Re: Building the Perfect M4 CQB Shorty... [Re: Skater]
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Skater, I have an Aimpoint CompM2. I love it...but... as with all toys I must have...I just ordered an Aimpoint Micro T1 last Thursday for another Sabre Defence M4 I have.

I love the ACOGs too, but I have one and only one (I had two but sold it with another rifle a good bit ago - the rifle and the ACOG I sold then are now both worth more separately than I sold them for! Doh!) and I am the same way about spending $2K for the one I'd want to go on the M4 that this T1 is going to go on....


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#2976434 - 03/14/10 02:13 PM Re: Building the Perfect M4 CQB Shorty... [Re: NH2112]
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Originally Posted By: NH2112
Originally Posted By: Skater
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5.56x45 for $.20/round? I remember buying 7.62x51 for $140/case, shipped!

I'm not a big fan of M855 - out of my 16" it's going so slow that it crosses the 2700fps fragmentation threshold at about 90m, M193 gives me about another 50m. It's why my next AR's going to be a 20". But obviously in CQB you're more concerned with maneuverability and weapon retention than you are with fragmentation velocity. Looks like you've got a great build going on there, too bad it's not select-fire for even more fun! biggrin


I am more concerned with KN at 60-100 feet. I currently have a 16" and a 20", and I am real happy with the performance of those with other round types. What round would you reccommend for a Mk18 type?

-Skater


Well, I've heard lots of good stuff about Hornady's TAP ammo, which I think is 75 grain. Mine's doing well on a diet of 55 grain Wolf, which isn't giving me any problems. If it ever does, I'll probably go to a NATO-spec round in the M193 family.


I know little about 5.56 stuff but you've got to figure that some kind of expanding load like the TAP is the way to go, no need to use military FMJ for HD.

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#2976709 - 03/14/10 11:34 PM Re: Building the Perfect M4 CQB Shorty... [Re: Skater]
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BCM seems to be great for the price.

Going to be a nice rifle.

Reminds me, I am going to be buying a Mosin M38 tomorrow. Maybe go shooting the AR-15 on Wednesday to.

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#2976715 - 03/14/10 11:50 PM Re: Building the Perfect M4 CQB Shorty... [Re: Flogger23m]
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*cough* An ACog here is a mere $2200 %)

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#2976788 - 03/15/10 06:26 AM Re: Building the Perfect M4 CQB Shorty... [Re: EAF331 MadDog]
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Looks like a nice build. You are getting some high quality stuff there. Watch out or before you know it you will have sunk over $2,000 into it; and that is if you don't get the most expensive ACOG; then you could get near $2,500.

I've never been a fan of the real shorty ARs. For up-close the 5.556 is a weak sister. Now I could get interested in one of those specialty caliber ARs in a shorty configuration.
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#2976814 - 03/15/10 07:03 AM Re: Building the Perfect M4 CQB Shorty... [Re: oldgrognard]
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I think I'd prefer 7.62x39 over 5.56x45 out of a shorty because it's not as dependent on velocity for wounding, but I don't really know how reliable the mags are. There's always the 6.8, though.
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#2976817 - 03/15/10 07:08 AM Re: Building the Perfect M4 CQB Shorty... [Re: NH2112]
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or 458 SOCOM. That is one of the great things about the AR platform. You can just buy an upper and drop it onto your existing lower. You can have several different halves and use them on one good lower half. The 458 SOCOM upper is about $650, and completely changes the whole game.
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