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#2976425 - 03/14/10 01:54 PM Posted by Waggs on theDCS forums
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Dear all,

As most of you are aware, the development of Flaming Cliffs 2 has taken much longer than expected. What was originally planned as a two month development cycle has turned into a nine month development cycle. This was primarily due to including much more new content than we had originally planned and an extended beta test period to clean up the product. We wanted to address as many community concerns about Flaming Cliffs as possible.

Unfortunately, time is money and the cost of development has far exceeded what was budgeted. As such, in order for us to at least break even on Flaming Cliffs 2 we have had to increase the sales price to $29.99 USD. This software will both upgrade Lock On to Flaming Cliffs 2 and Upgrade Flaming Cliffs to Flaming Cliffs 2.

We understand that some of you will be upset given the earlier sales price announcement and we apologize for having to make this alteration of our original plan. We do believe though that Flaming Cliffs 2 will be a great product and well worth the cost of admission.

Thanks,
Matt

I will stil be buying it on release !

Simbo Sim123


Edited by Simbo 123 SQDN (03/14/10 01:55 PM)
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#2976426 - 03/14/10 01:55 PM Re: Posted by Waggs on theDCS forums [Re: Simbo 123 SQDN]
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Beat me to it, it seems the product is now Lock On to FC2, rather than FC to FC2.

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#2976490 - 03/14/10 03:44 PM Re: Posted by Waggs on theDCS forums [Re: Nate]
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It will upgrade either to FC2, both LO and FC1.
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#2976491 - 03/14/10 03:45 PM Re: Posted by Waggs on theDCS forums [Re: Nate]
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I'll buy it because there is nothing much better out there otherwise no money to their wallets.
We all are gonna pay for a PATCH nothing else. No new airplanes no new map, no nothing, nadita de nada. biggrin
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#2976495 - 03/14/10 03:47 PM Re: Posted by Waggs on theDCS forums [Re: jt_medina]
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It isn't a patch. There is plenty of new capability in the software, far more than a patch would confer.
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#2976511 - 03/14/10 04:14 PM Re: Posted by Waggs on theDCS forums [Re: GrayGhost]
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Originally Posted By: GrayGhost
It isn't a patch. There is plenty of new capability in the software, far more than a patch would confer.


Quote:
- Runs under DirectX 9C
- Improved Mission Editor with trigger system
- New terrain area to include much of Georgia. This will be same map as used in DCS: Blacks Shark. As such the Crimea has been replaced with the addition of Georgia.
- More detailed terrain to include more ground objects, larger forests, and higher resolution elevation data
- Improved clouds
- High resolution airfield textures
- Improved multiplayer system with embedded game browser
- More robust online cheating prevention
- New and improved menu system
- Numerous new, highly detailed ground units including infantry
- Improved flight performance for player-controlled aircraft
- Improved flight models for all artificial intelligence (AI) controlled aircraft
- New, more realistic G-tolerance modeling
- Limited 6 DOF cockpits that move up, down and sideways according to maneuvering
- New and highly-detailed Su-25 model
- Advanced ballistics are implemented for all flyable aircraft, including ricochets of AP rounds
- F-15C locked target IFF indication
- More realistic ranges, seeker guidance and fuzes for air-to-air missiles
- More realistic electronic countermeasure operation and performance
- New and improved sound engine
- New radio message voice-overs

Quote:
By using the DCS environment, Lock On: Flaming Cliffs 2.0 users will have improved terrain, mission editor, AI flight models, 3D objects, artificial intelligence (AI), and multiplayer. The aircraft of Lock On: Flaming Cliffs 2.0 will include:

• Su-25 (new 3D model)
• Su-25T
• A-10A
• Su-27
• Su-33
• MiG-29A
• MiG-29C
• F-15C

Several new missions and campaigns will be included in Lock On: Flaming Cliffs 2.0.


Sorry but it looks a patch to me. Most of them are fixes and improvements the higher maps resolution is an upgrade of the poorly optimized lockon engine.


Edited by jt_medina (03/14/10 04:17 PM)
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#2976525 - 03/14/10 04:35 PM Re: Posted by Waggs on theDCS forums [Re: jt_medina]
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Quote:

- Runs under DirectX 9C
- Improved Mission Editor with trigger system
- New terrain area to include much of Georgia. This will be same map as used in DCS: Blacks Shark. As such the Crimea has been replaced with the addition of Georgia.
- More detailed terrain to include more ground objects, larger forests, and higher resolution elevation data
- Improved clouds
- High resolution airfield textures
- Improved multiplayer system with embedded game browser
- More robust online cheating prevention
- New and improved menu system
- Numerous new, highly detailed ground units including infantry
- Improved flight performance for player-controlled aircraft
- Improved flight models for all artificial intelligence (AI) controlled aircraft
- New, more realistic G-tolerance modeling
- Limited 6 DOF cockpits that move up, down and sideways according to maneuvering
- New and highly-detailed Su-25 model
- Advanced ballistics are implemented for all flyable aircraft, including ricochets of AP rounds
- F-15C locked target IFF indication
- More realistic ranges, seeker guidance and fuzes for air-to-air missiles
- More realistic electronic countermeasure operation and performance
- New and improved sound engine
- New radio message voice-overs
- New single player missions
- New Campaigns
- New Training Missions


Many pieces of this software are completely new to FC; as such that is no longer a patch. Patches fix bugs. This is an upgrade - it adds a significant amount of functionality.

And even things that one might consider to be on 'patch' level such as the FM adjustments - I know from personal involvement that many, many hours went into tuning those, including alterations to the flight model required to make things work correctly, as well as testing.

The amount of work and type of enhancement precludes this from being a mere patch.

I don't recall where this 'unoptimized engine' bs myth keeps coming from, but that's exactly what it is: a bs myth.

And EVEN just the textures and additional area took someone's time to do - significant time.

Would you like your work to be undervalued?
The price is what it is due to time and effort spent on the product; it is not based upon your (incorrect) impression of what it is.


Edited by GrayGhost (03/14/10 04:38 PM)
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#2976532 - 03/14/10 04:48 PM Re: Posted by Waggs on theDCS forums [Re: GrayGhost]
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This is a Patch biggrin

Where are the REAL new maps, airplanes, air to ground radar, real optimized multiplayer, a truly next gen engine?.
For a 5 year old product this is a patch.
Please, Don't offend my logic.

For a five year old product paying for those fixes 30 euros is a ... I am gonna save what I really think. screwy



The good news is that, Hey!!, I'll buy it!!. biggrin
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#2976537 - 03/14/10 04:56 PM Re: Posted by Waggs on theDCS forums [Re: jt_medina]
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Originally Posted By: jt_medina

Where are the REAL new maps, airplanes, air to ground radar, real optimized multiplayer, a truly next gen engine?.



That sounds like a new Full Sim to me, not an addon to a current sim.

Nate

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#2976540 - 03/14/10 05:02 PM Re: Posted by Waggs on theDCS forums [Re: GrayGhost]
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Originally Posted By: GrayGhost

I don't recall where this 'unoptimized engine' bs myth keeps coming from, but that's exactly what it is: a bs myth.

And EVEN just the textures and additional area took someone's time to do - significant time.

Would you like your work to be undervalued?
The price is what it is due to time and effort spent on the product; it is not based upon your (incorrect) impression of what it is.


I passed it! biggrin

My incorrect impression is the impression of many of us.

And yes the simulator is poorly optimized given that in order to run it properly it has passed nearly 5 years before you can have a decent performance on cities.

Listen to who is gonna buy your product.
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