So I have been watching the builds on here recently, and getting serious gun envy... I have an M4 and an AR-15, but they are nice, and I don't want to cannibalize them to build another M4, so I decided to go radical and build a very short CQB focused M4 shorty... In effect, a modified NSWC Mk18 PDW.

I just finished my research and purchased all the parts. Here's what's arrived so far...


BCM BFH™ 11.5" Carbine Upper Receiver Group w/ Daniel Defense LITE 10" Handguard (NFA)



BCMGUNFIGHTER™ Charging Handle (5.56mm/.223) w/ Mod 3 (LARGE) Latch



BCM Bolt Carrier Group (MPI) - Auto (IONBOND Finish)



Magpul PMAG 30 Magazine FDE (FLAT DARK EARTH) with Maglevel Window (x10)




You would be surprised how much stuff is out of stock or backordered EVERYWHERE! It was very hard to find M855 62-grain 5.56 NATO. When I did, I had to pay about $.44 a round for it! I remember when I could get 5.56mm for less than $.20 a round.

Anyway, more stuff is on the way, and when it is assembled, I will post some pics of it. These are not my pics, as I am horrible at taking pics. For proof, here is my pic of the upper reciever... Horrible lighting, shadows all over, etc.






I'll post more pics as the build goes along...


-Skater

Oooh! Yummy Monolithic Toprail!

What Lower? Trigger? BUIS? Stock?

In Bloombergistan, do you have to keep the upper, lower, and mags locked in separate safes?

Bill, lets not talk about Bloombergistan... I think you can get arrested for even saying the word "gun" here.

BUIS will be the Magpul MBUS Front and Rear in FDE



Stock is the Magpul CTR (Mil)



Lower is from DPMS, with DPMS hardware...



Trigger is a Wilson Combat Single Stage Tactical Trigger Unit (TTU)




Some other goodies too...

-Skater

5.56x45 for $.20/round? I remember buying 7.62x51 for $140/case, shipped!

I'm not a big fan of M855 - out of my 16" it's going so slow that it crosses the 2700fps fragmentation threshold at about 90m, M193 gives me about another 50m. It's why my next AR's going to be a 20". But obviously in CQB you're more concerned with maneuverability and weapon retention than you are with fragmentation velocity. Looks like you've got a great build going on there, too bad it's not select-fire for even more fun!

No need for a tac-light.
The flash alone from that short a barrel should sufficiently light up any room you use it in.

Looks like that will be one badass home defense weapon!

Yep, that is what it is for... But I intend on getting one of those huge NovaTac flash supressors for CQB shorties that will curb the nuclear blast that comes out the front of these things.

-Skater

I am more concerned with KN at 60-100 feet. I currently have a 16" and a 20", and I am real happy with the performance of those with other round types. What round would you reccommend for a Mk18 type?

-Skater

Here is a copy of NSWC-Crane's presentation (UNCLASSIFIED) on the Mk18 CQBR.

http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2003smallarms/john.ppt

-Skater

Based on the report, "Weapon B" was a lemon.

Well, I've heard lots of good stuff about Hornady's TAP ammo, which I think is 75 grain. Mine's doing well on a diet of 55 grain Wolf, which isn't giving me any problems. If it ever does, I'll probably go to a NATO-spec round in the M193 family.

The rifle seems like it has too much neato to be legal in NY. Aren't there limits on clip size and things like flash suppressors?

Terrible choice for the home. That round will go through your wall, your neighbors house, his neighbors house, and end up in the house 3 doors down from you.

12 gauge with number 3 shot, will knock them down harder, and not kill the neighbors.

It's too bad they fell for the "one-piece gas ring" scam, though. I've seen plenty of ARs run with the gaps lined up, or without ANY gas rings - they don't provide a seal, they merely scrape powder residue from the inside of the bolt carrier.

That BUIS is really nice. I've debated getting them for my M4..but my optical sight is a simple 1x etched glass..so if the battery fails, or the electronics, I still have a black etched glass aiming point.

It's a Leupold 1x14 Prismatic. I liked it because when you look through it, you pretty much cannot see the scope barrel..

PIC..

Can't wait to see it when you finish it!

I've always liked the Armson OEG, even though it's been superseded by the Aimpoints and other red dot sights for at least 10-15 years. Having put thousands of rounds through 3 OEG-equipped firearms, and having a fair amount of time on red dot sights as well, it's my opinion that the OEG is quicker because you just don't have the automatic instinct to "aim" with it since you can't see through it. Shoulder rifle with both eyes open, dot's floating in space, put dot on target, and BANG! Target's hit. Every time. It's the next closest thing to firing bullets out of your eyes LOL. Learning to use both eyes takes maybe 15-30 minutes, but you need binocular vision with no serious astigmatism. It even works for shooters who are cross-eye dominant (like me, most of the time.) The main disadvantage is that you can't deliberately aim with it, but it was never intended to replace iron sights.

Not in my part of NYC... We have old construction, mostly heavy thick brick walls and RC.

Pretty much everything under a .50 or .338 will get stopped.

I have an Ithaca Deerslayer, but it is too unwieldy, and I am worried about the low mag cap.

True though... I hit ANYTHING with it (rifled barrel, so slugs only for that beast), it ain't getting up.

-Skater

I have a few "special dispensations", but even I can't press my luck too far here. I am really straddling the line with this one. Wait until you see the final mod, but it will sadly be only a temporary one for a photo op only.

-Skater

Buy the MBUS's from Magpul directly or from USCAV... They are actually pretty cheap, you can both front and rear under $100 delivered. But they have a hard time keeping them in stock. I have seen them as much as $100 EACH elsewhere. Strange.

-Skater

As for optics, I got an ACOG a long time ago cheaply... Now they are $700-$1500 bucks! I also have/had Aimpoint CompM2, Mepro M21 Reflex (got this for under $300 not so long ago, now they are more than $600), EoTech 553 (too big for this)...

Believe it or not, some really cheap optics are pretty good for short range stuff... I have been impressed with NCStar red dots, reflex, and holo sights lately. How much you want to bet their cost goes up dramatically over the next 2 years, as their newer stuff is excellent.

What I am lusting after for this one though is an Aimpoint Micro T1. Those are NIIIIIIICE!

-Skater

An ACOG..you bastage..I'm officially jealous..

Let me tell you Beach... If I had to buy one now... I wouldn't. I just checked the prices at Brownell's, which are inflated, but they have them in stock, and I nearly fell out my chair... The model I have is $1700. I bought it for under $500 used in 2002 I think it was, but in pristine condition (they guy never even put it on his rifle because he had an A1 and did not like the high-rise look). Back then, new was about $660. I'm just not into paying almost a mortgage payment for optics. Got lucky I guess.

-Skater

I will probably get the Micro T1 and a LaserMax LMS-UNI-G with a momentary switch for this build by Christmas though. I have enough available optics to tide me over till then or even later. No hurry, but I don"t have much patience for stuff I want.

-Skater

Skater, I have an Aimpoint CompM2. I love it...but... as with all toys I must have...I just ordered an Aimpoint Micro T1 last Thursday for another Sabre Defence M4 I have.

I love the ACOGs too, but I have one and only one (I had two but sold it with another rifle a good bit ago - the rifle and the ACOG I sold then are now both worth more separately than I sold them for! Doh!) and I am the same way about spending $2K for the one I'd want to go on the M4 that this T1 is going to go on....

I know little about 5.56 stuff but you've got to figure that some kind of expanding load like the TAP is the way to go, no need to use military FMJ for HD.

BCM seems to be great for the price.

Going to be a nice rifle.

Reminds me, I am going to be buying a Mosin M38 tomorrow. Maybe go shooting the AR-15 on Wednesday to.

*cough* An ACog here is a mere $2200 %)

Looks like a nice build. You are getting some high quality stuff there. Watch out or before you know it you will have sunk over $2,000 into it; and that is if you don't get the most expensive ACOG; then you could get near $2,500.

I've never been a fan of the real shorty ARs. For up-close the 5.556 is a weak sister. Now I could get interested in one of those specialty caliber ARs in a shorty configuration.

I think I'd prefer 7.62x39 over 5.56x45 out of a shorty because it's not as dependent on velocity for wounding, but I don't really know how reliable the mags are. There's always the 6.8, though.

or 458 SOCOM. That is one of the great things about the AR platform. You can just buy an upper and drop it onto your existing lower. You can have several different halves and use them on one good lower half. The 458 SOCOM upper is about $650, and completely changes the whole game.

Up in Canada, prices for many guns are beyond affordable: a Kimber .45 is around $2000, AR-15 pattern typically start at $1500 bone stock, and tricked out m-4's hover between $3-5000. Why? Many reasons, but it seems that a large part of it is the US State Dept: they are getting really restrictive and selective about just what parts and components will be allowed to be exported from your country. Add to that all the extra layers of paperwork, and the prices go up. Soon we may face issues with just getting repair parts for common shotguns from the USA. One guy had a custom shorty 7-8 in bbl M-4 style ultra-shorty, but had one of those ACOG 4x scopes on it...he figured the total cost was about $6000. It felt nice, scope was a revelation, but it belonged on a longer barrel, like 20in.


And this is why Canada is increasingly seeing sales of Chinese firearms: cheap, but parts also not an issue: M-14 clone for $400 new, .45 M1911A1 for just $325, shotguns for under $300. Most of us arent rich, and experience has shown us the Chinese stuff does work well. Maybe not Camp Perry National Match, but well. I'd buy Canadian, but there are no longer any mfg's in this country for civilian sales. I'd buy European, but that's spendy and plastic. I'd buy American but the price difference is very hard to justify. At least ammo is available and reasonably priced!

My buddy recently bought a used Remington 1100, and I have been getting decent at Trap and Wobbles. Tried Skeet yesterday...that's gonna be tough to master!

Here in Norway we have a very limited selection of "IPSC rifes" to choose from. Almost all are AR-15 clones, with some others thrown in.

A BUSHMASTER XM-15 V-MATCH here is currently ~$1800.

Not quite, Dlask manufactures their own civvy legal 1911s and ARs, Alberta Tactical rifle builds ARs and precision rifles, there's a couple of other outfits that build precision rifles as well. That sucks to hear about the rumored State Department shotgun part restrictions, I thought the "military purpose" ammo restrictions were bad enough.

Too bad we can't get Chinese guns, aside from shotguns here.

Would be great if we could still get cheap AKs and SKS ect.

How much is the Dlask 1911?

$1250-$2500 depending on model.

Some of their stuff's good, but most of it is just cut-rate trash that looks like it was made in someone's hut in Pakistan.

I'm with Crane. The metal seems different and I wonder how it will stand up to repeated firing. The rear sight on the M1A that I handled a while back was poor; resistant and then lacked the precise "clicks". The machining of the bolt and receiver are not quite as refined. The wood was the most readily apparent difference; really poor quality wood. But, I hear that they vary and there are some good ones.

On the other hand they make some pretty good optics for the price. I've a couple of their scopes when I was wrestling with my aging eyes. I wanted to try higher variable magnification to see if that helped, but didn't want to drop $1,500 without knowing. So I tried a Chinese made 8-32 x 50. I found that higher variable magnification was able to act like a pair of glasses and eliminate the multiple image problem I have. I also have one of their red dot holographic sights made by NC Star that works great and only cost $45.00. The scopes have had several hundred rounds through them and haven't shot out. They have some construction differences compared to better western equipment. The cross-hairs are a little thicker. That can be good and bad depending. In real life use the thicker crosshairs are easier to quickly pick-up and they don't get lost in background jumble as much as finer crosshairs. However on a sterile range, the finer crosshairs are better. The adjusting knobs have less of a defined "click" to them and are not as confidence assuring when click counting for different ranges. The glass is very good at close and medium range, but after 400 yards you can start seeing that they are not as good as the non-Chinese scopes. But for the average shooter and hunter, I recommend trying them. You can get them at about 1/7 the cost of a higher end scope. It is really a great difference in price for a small difference in quality.

Hornady 5.56mm 75-grain TAP, if you can find it (LE restricted for some retarded reason). Not the 75-grain .223 TAP or match. Argh. I need to get back into shooting, but it's so damn expensive. I have a Colt SBR that doesn't even have a shorty upper on it!

The difference being the slight difference in chamber dimentions? 5.56 Nato chamber vs the slightly tighter SAAMI spec .223 Rem? Or are you talking of something else?




LOL! get on it!

Actually I'm only recently back to shooting regularly, but with shotguns shooting clays in the air: skeet, trap, wobbles. Maybe later this year I'll try "Sporting Clays" too! I put a large green fibre optic "bead" on the rib and it's very nice for seeing it even periferally (sp?), quite bright! Its just a colored transparent plastic stick that collects light for the "bead" to be very visible.

I'd only get the Chinese guns for range toys.

But, I've heard their AKs are of good quality.

I find glowing beads too distractive most of the time.

The gun should shoot instinctively where you're pointing at and not where you're specificially aiming, a bead in that kind of shooting should be thought of as more of a reference point than anything.

What Rick is saying is a way to aim quickly and accurately by focusing on the front sight. It's really, really basic and fundamental to good shooting. It is about as fundamental as it gets as far as quick target acquisition and the dispatching of the same. I've taken numerous "advanced" shooting/tactical defense courses and that is just about the first thing they remind you in all of them. I'm sure anyone here will tell me if they have had different experience in private or military training.....

I'm not sure what you mean by the gun shooting "instinctively where you're pointing."

As an aside, and not to hijack at all, but I always read these threads and wonder how many of the gun owners are NRA members. If you're not, I would ask you to consider it as we need you now more than ever. I'm a life member and have been in NRA since 1990 or so....

Don

"Wingshooting" a different game than regular marksmanship, when dealing with moving, aerial targets you need to *point* a shotgun not aim it. The focus should be on the target, not the sight{s}, and the gun should shoot where you're looking at if your form and gun fit are good.

Now if you're dealing with slower moving or immobile targets on the ground, then conventional sight picture marksmanship comes more into play, but if things are close, fast and sporty then an experienced shotgunner will still be found pointing more than aiming.

Well, with skeet, where you hold your head is key. I basically have my head on the stock so the bead is right there but obviously you are having to lead and from that standpoint you need a little more target focus but to me anyway, the target is still somewhat a blur in shooting, for example, pheasant.

But, I see what you mean now anyway.

Also, why are you going with 10 inch rails/handguards?

Do you really need all that room? Just wondering.

I kind of like my plastic handguards. :p

Crane and Airdrop, you both make good points. Thing is, I have far too many years of closing one eye rapidly for marksmanship, when shouldering, that seeing SOMETHING from the front is important for me: I'm not using stereoscopic vision...but, with the green fibre glowing, I can see it fairly easily even when focused on the orange clay, and am getting good at judging the correct lead. Most can probably do with a simple white or brass bead and both eyes open, but I can't and probably never will! Just too ingrained response.

Nodding on the "instinctively where you're pointing."

About a zillion years ago a kind old retired Sergeant Major took pity on the poor Private that couldn't hit the broad side of a barn with a .45 on the familiarization course and taught me some really neat stuff, most of it "out of date," including firing using one hand only.

His first lesson was to have me point with my finger at the target. I did. "Did ya miss?" he asked, and then followed up with "then why didn't you point the pistol like it was your finger?" The second lesson was on how to hold the pistol so that I could point it correctly.

I can consistently hit center mass on a man sized target at 25 meters - gooder enough for me.

The downside is that I can't shoot two handed to save my life. Squaring up seems weird and awkward after learning and practicing holding a pistol out to the side, presenting the smallest silhouette to the target.

It's just tough to switch from a wingshooting background to conventional marksmanship or vice versa.

In the book Inside Delta Force by Eric L. Haney, it mentions how the early Delta guys at least were taught to dynamically wing/point shoot with all their weapons in a CQB type environment and were extremely good at it. However when they were subjected to an outside assessment for range shooting skills they were found to be mediocre appearantly.

Different ballgames.

I usually run rifle sights on my go-to 870, and they way I use that is to use them as a makeshift OEG sight up close, literally looking through the rear sight, and as normal for further or finer targets. For shooting stuff out of the air I'll take my longer bead sighted barrel any day though.

Any experienced shooter will tell you that differnt shooting involves different techniques. Also some of the teaching "styles" come and go with time and vogue. When I was taught quick fire, it was all about quick acquisition and putting the front sight on the target. Later they taught us the point and shoot for anything under a hundred yards. Then they changed that to 50 and under. In The School it was all about range and precision - and scopes changes it all.

I never was good with pistols. First military training with pistols was to shoot one handed since they said that was the way you would do it in real life. Then two-handed became the preferred method. Then the really good shots emphasized point and shoot. The high-speed guys I worked with kind of discarded all grip and stance training and it was all quick fire while moving, from cover and while doing entries. There is always the competing desires of speed versus accuracy. It is always a trade-off. Watch a benchrest shooter, a long-range military shooter, a hunter, a close combat military shooter, a law enforcement shooter, etc. They have different approaches to firing.

Look at how weapon carry has changed. When I was in we carried butt under the arm. Look at all the photos of troops now. It is all butt high over the shoulder. The ACOGs seem to have shooting styles changed as well. They were in their very infancy when I was in the game, and we were untrusting of them so stayed iron sight for close work. The wide adoption of collapsible stocks has changed things.

When I was working we had 3-9 ART scopes and Mil-dot was a sideshow. Now I find that the new higher powered variables with Mil-dots wotk better for me. I look back and wonder how we got target with 3-9 at 700 yards and beyond.

I have so little exposure to shotguns that I have no input.

So, I guess what I'm saying is that there are a lot of different techniques and styles depending on when, where, why, and who taught you. It is good to explore the differnt ways and find the one that works for you. Then work at it. A bad technique that is well practiced and familiar will outshoot a better technique that isn't continuously worked at.

Let the target prove what is effective.

edit: then there are physical issues to factor in. My eyesight is declining with age and my equipment and style is changing to match it. people with either large or small hands will do things a bit differntly.

I would like to expand this thought a bit, my friend.

"Practice makes perfect" - What a misleading quote.
Continually practicing a 'crappy technique' will make you a Crap Master at best.

If you are going to practice, practice perfect.

Remember the saying that applies: "Slow is smooth, and smooth is fast."
A friend constantly reminds me "1 slow hit is better than 3 fast misses..."

+1

In trap, you can't take your eye off the clay pidgeon!
You focus on that, and you will naturally point your arm (shotgun) at the target.
This is where I find the fiber optic front sight to be a boon, as I will watch the clay, and when I see that the sight is positioned accordingly I shootski.

Surprisingly, that 10" is eaten up pretty fast. It is not a lot of room at all.

I barely have room behind the the red dot mounted now, for the rear MBUS, and then there is the front MBUS as well.

I will be mounting a tac lite on the left rail, and a green micro laser and a Magpul RSA on the right. There is a Tango Down vertical shorty mounted on the bottom rail. As short as this weapon is... That is about all of the available room.

Total length of this weapon will be about 22"-24" with the stock collapsed.

-Skater

CTR stock, MBUS Front, and Magpul's arrived yesterday. I installed the Magpul's on the MagLevel PMAG's, and the MBUS-F looks good on the top rail.

The rest of the Magpul stuff is backordered. Getting there, but it might take a while.

-Skater

A light on the verticle grip may save you some rail room. I can't speak for them since I've never used one.

Bill, I agree with you, but still stand by a lessor technique well honed will outdo a good technique that is not worked on. Technique may be a 15% part of the formula, but honing your skill is three times that.

Back when my Dad and I still went out shooting, we started trying instinctive shooting, meaning off the hip with a handgun. That is tough to do! We'd set a tin can about ten yards out in front and draw and fire on it. No aiming. From what I've read lately, the real cowboy street shoot outs didn't happen that way. They were close in and aimed. Oh well, still fun, and a fast way to shoot up ammo.

I don't know how much longer I can continue to read this thread though. My jealousy meter is pegging red already.

Thought about it OG... But this thing is small... I am a big guy, and thi thing is like damn small... The grip with the light would be too long and cumbersome. It would be almost half as long as the barrel.

Aesthetics and ergonomics play a part here as well.

-Skater

Well, waiting to see the finished upper.

10 inches seems like a lot of room to me, but I guess you would know.

I also like the Daniel Defense fixed rear sight. It does not flip down, but it hardly takes up any room at all. Very light to.

I need to get a tac light for mine, but I'd really like to stay away from rails if possible. I'd consider one of the 2 or 3 slot rails that mount in the handguard holes, I've tried a few different setups and like the light mounted below the barrel so I can bump the tailcap with my support hand to turn it on or off. The tape switches can be hard to manipulate with gloves on (I try EVERY weapon accessory with winter gloves before buying.)

Know what, just got a Colt Model 723 upper clone (or smilar). The hand guards are the plastic ones, but they are 6 1/2 inches long I think.

Really short!

My midlength (9 inches) feels great though.

I guess I can see why you want the 10 inches.

UPDATE: Still waiting on a few parts... Magpul still needs to send me the CR123 core for the MOE grip. I've got a titanium firing pin from Bushmaster on order. And I am still waiting on a DPMS lower (I admit, it is slightly customized) to arrive at my local gun store.

I have both the front and rear Magpul MBUS sights. I have the Magpul MOE grip, and the Magpul ASAP sling plate and MS2 sling. I bought a UTG tactical flashlight with a mount and momentary switch, and the unimax green laser in on order (I told you I was not going to be able to wait.).

I have 10 loaded Maglevel PMAG's with Magpul's on them sitting here waiting for the first range day...

Just a few more parts, and I am DONE.

I really hate waiting for backordered parts.

-Skater

I have a story about Skater's M4 that is nuts but I am not sure if we can still go to jail for it.

Marshall, you shoot skeet with a rifle? I assumed you were good but...

You know... I'm not liking the red dot sight I have on this one... I think I am going to get one of those new mini red dot or mini reflex sights.

-Skater

Ok, just ordered an Aimpoint Micro T-1 with a QD riser mount (Larue Tactical LT-660).

I think this will fit much better on the limited real estate up top.

-Skater

I hope my stuff isn't all backordered. I just placed an order yesterday for an upper kit for a 5.56/.223 AR-15 (I already have the stripped lower). Not all the fancy bells and whistles you listed since it's my first.

16" chrome lined barrel, 6 position stock, and the rest is standard A2 stuff plus two 30 round mags that should be fun to fill when I can afford the ammo...lol!

Well, after a long time gathering the right parts... Here it is after final assembly, and with a "special addition" that I won't actually attach in public.



Right side


Left Side


Left front detailing Green Laser


Left top detailing Aimpoint T-1M and LT QD riser mount




Left side detailing Magpul BAD Lever




Left side detailing Tango Down Vert grip and laser remote switch


Right side detailing Daniel Defense rail, magpul flip iron sights and xenon tac lite remote switch


Right side Magpul MOE grip, Magpul ASAP sling plate, and Magpul PMAG with Ranger Plate







And a little something that I won't go into detail about...










There are a couple of things left that I may do, including changing of the flash suppressor to a Noveske KX3, but maybe in the fall. She's pretty sweet the way she is right now...

-Skater

man that looks sweet! I wish I had the money for all my interests...I would definitely be buying/modifying some guns!

That is one AWESOME peice of kit Skater!

But I still want my FN FAL when I get stateside

AJ

Oooh! Me Like!

What are the iron sights on dem der weapon?
Looks like the perfect length for Homestead Defense.

Nice build Skater!

Waiting for the range report...

Thanks, there are some really nice modernized FN FAL kits out there. Pick up a copy of The Shotgun News when you can. You'll be drooling in seconds.

-Skater

Hoping to get to the range this weekend.

-Skater

And Skater;

Not meaning to throw your topic, but do you have an opinion of the FN FAL my friend?

Cheers

AJ.

The iron sights are Magpul MBUIS Front and Rear in Flat Dark Earth.

The length was the main reason in choosing that upper/rail combo. It's an 11.5" barrel. A little too short for OG's tastes I know. LOL

-Skater

"Ayed's Room Broom"

"Specializing in stopping cold things that 'go bump in the night.'"

Incredible gun!

I'm interested in seeing how the Ionbonded BCG runs {and cleans up}, I'm not too familiar with Ionbond but pretty much all these new tech gun metal coatings and treatments I've seen are the best things since sliced bread IMO.

" A little too short for OG's tastes I know. LOL"



You all just make fun of me because I like my guns like this:






11.5 inches is a fine length ... for a pecker. Not for a rifle.

ROFLMAO!

Looking nice.

I got a BCM M4 upper as well, and the fit/finish is better than my CMMG.

Have not shot it yet. Need to get an M4 stock now.

I just measured it against mine... You're absolutely right. LOL

-Skater

Nice SBR and suppressor, Skater. How the heck did you get NYC's CLEO to sign off on the form 4???

I come from a long line of people who know somebody who knows somebody (pushes tip of nose to the left)... Capice?

-Skater

LOL!

Admit it, Skater--you hired that Ashley Dupre girl for Raymond Kelly, didn't you?

I have to say that I'm impressed. NYC doesn't even like giving out rifle permits. I can't imagine all the hookers and blow it would take them to approve a NFA transfer!

By any chance did you pick up the M1/M14 special edition from Guns and Ammo. There was an IR sight used in WWII that is literally not very far away from that.

Oh you and your M4s.

I will never forget what happened that one time... in LANMeet camp.

Radar, no, I missed it.

I will try and find it on the net. If not, I will scan it.

It is a "sight" to behold

pun intended

I just installed a Noveske KX3 on it. Very nice. I also installed a Daniel Defense push-button Rail Sling Adapter. I like that I can use it whenever I need a 2 point sling, but quickly switch back to a single point if I want to.






-Skater

Next up is an EOTECH XPS3-2. Really like the 2 MOA dot solution. I used one at the range this past weekend and like it a lot. Great small package with a wide field of view (relatively) too.

Range report: Fired about 1000 rounds through it so far. Accuracy went up markedly at about the 400 round mark. Guess these things need to be broken in... This past weekend, iron sights only, accuracy was phenomenal... The old man still has it in him! LOL Put 30 rounds through the center of the head of a silhouette (well, just off-center actually) at 200 yards. Grouping was 1.58 inches across. Just made a big damn hole in the head. Not a single jam or misfire yet. Using only Lake City 62-grain M855.

Cleaning is also a snap. The grit just seems to not stick to this weapon. A little cleaning solution sprayed in, scrub down lightly with a brush, spray more cleaning solution, wipe down, lubricate with a few drops of oil, run a snake and brush through the barrel, and done.


-Skater

Excellent accuracy with irons!

Tell me, have you ever considered competing in CMP matches?

I like the flip up BUIS...something I don't have on my relatively clean M4, but would like to have.

Nice stuff there Skater..

Thanks Beach/Shan... No never thought about it before... Might have to look into it, but I would probably get hassled in NY trying to take my guns across state lines. They are such retards up here.


The MBUIS are excellent and cheap too... I think like $40 or so. Check out eBay. Lots of good Magpul stuff on there.

-Skater

I just purchased this sight for the M4...

XPS-2-2 OPMOD with QD lever. Can't wait to range test it.




-Skater

Good choice. I have the 516 and the quick release lever on the battery compartment opens under recoil. Not the best feature.

Seeing as you live in NYC, where do you go for range testing?

I usually go to the ranges in Calverton or Central Islip. The Calverton Range is an old rock quarry... With, shall we say, lax rules.

-Skater

Yeah, that problem was corrected on the 553.

This one is really small in comparison, with a raised battery compartment so you can mount it close to the end of the forward end of the top rail on an M4 and still clear the delta ring. I don't have a delta ring on my M4, so I am good, but I like the fact that it only takes up about 2.5" to 3" of rail space.

-Skater

The current build state...



And what it does at 200yds with 30 rounds of SS109...




-Skater

Nice!

Are you going to put a sling on it?

Dumb question, but do they allow SBRs in New York?

And if so, do they get around the assault weapons ban there?

Two totally different things, Flogger.

The AWB applies to cosmetic features on rifles like flash suppressors, bayonet lugs, and pistol grips.

The National Firearms Act applies to short-barreled (less than 16 inch) rifles. You can get one, but you need the chief law enforcement officer in your district to sign off on the application/transfer form.

My theory is that Skater supplied hookers and blow to the chief.

I have a sling on it, just took it off for the pics. It's a Magpul MS2 sling.

-Skater

@Shan LOL

Yes, I have an NFA chit.

-Skater

I love Magpul. They're like the Apple of the firearms industry.

Here's my sling:

http://www.skdtac.com/Emdom_E_MM_Gunslinger_Sling_p/e2m.101.htm?1=1&CartID=1

There's no good place to attach the sling plate on my rifle.

edit:

So I have to use other means to attach the anchoring point.

Can anyone in NY get SBRs with the tax stamp?

I wish we could here in CA.

What kind of rifle Shan?

I see we shop in the same places and visit some of the same sites (Particularly MM and SKD).

-Skater

Technically yes, as long you meet the requirements. In reality... No. This is Bloombergistan... If I did not have family in the NYPD, FDNY, and a fraternity brother who is a Deputy Inspector in the NYPD, that NFA chit would all be just a dream.

-Skater

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kel-Tec_RFB

That's what the sling is on. I've got another one on order for this varmint slayer:

http://www.sigsauer.com/products/ShowCatalogProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=66&productid=249

Right now, I'm bidding on:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=194918011

Which will replace:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1A_rifle

Once I get my builds completed, I'll send you some pics.

That is what I was thinking, just wanted to make sure. Enjoy that rifle of yours.

I was checking out that Sig rifle... Pretty nice.

The CP1 Prismatic scope they have is really nice too... AWESOME price at $150..

http://www.sigsauer.com/SigStore/ShowProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=0&productid=395

Wait... WHAT???

You have an M1A??? And you want to sell it??? I want it. Please. Let me buy it from you.

-Skater

Damn that SCAR is sweet!

-Skater

Umm...the M1A isn't exactly in stock configuration:



And besides, it's spoken for already. A buddy of mine called dibs on it. The nice thing about this version is that you can suppress it without too much trouble. Notice the bleed hole and the offset (shortened) gas system? There are only a few of them in the wild and they're collectors items. Because of it, I hate shooting it. It's simply too valuable. (LRB used to make them, but they were cost prohibitive.) When I first got it, we loaded M118LR and clamped the sucker down onto the table in a 50 yard indoor range to test accuracy. The darnd thing shot through the same hole. I guess it was close to 0.2 MOA.

The only thing I don't like about this system is the weight and the slow magazine change. I've already tried the SCAR-17. It's wonderful.

You'll laugh, but I'm going to put a KAC M4-QD and a Nightforce NXS 3.5-15x56 NP-RR (MOA reticle and turrets with zero stop) for varmint work on the 522. My dealer is supposed to call soon about the 522, but haven't heard a peep from him, yet.

{DROOOOL] Now... I simply MUST have it and I won't take no for answer... What does your buddy who called dibs on it want for it?

Name his price.

-Skater

I dunno. I'll see him tonight and I can ask.

Just to warn you, it's a nice collector's item...but the SCAR blows it away in terms of weight, balance, and ease of maintenance...if not durability and accuracy.

I'll get a SCAR eventually... But I am just totally enamored by the M1A and M-14. Those are my lust-guns right now, and that one is super exotic. Gotta have it.

-Skater

Can I get some profile and/or detail pics of that Scout Shan?

-Skater

Sure! Clear your PM box, Skater. I'll send you the pics.

Wow, I had no idea that it could get full... Done. Box cleared.

-Skater