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#2975980 - 03/13/10 05:16 PM
Re: Building the Perfect M4 CQB Shorty...
[Re: Skater]
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5.56x45 for $.20/round? I remember buying 7.62x51 for $140/case, shipped! I'm not a big fan of M855 - out of my 16" it's going so slow that it crosses the 2700fps fragmentation threshold at about 90m, M193 gives me about another 50m. It's why my next AR's going to be a 20". But obviously in CQB you're more concerned with maneuverability and weapon retention than you are with fragmentation velocity. Looks like you've got a great build going on there, too bad it's not select-fire for even more fun! I am more concerned with KN at 60-100 feet. I currently have a 16" and a 20", and I am real happy with the performance of those with other round types. What round would you reccommend for a Mk18 type? -Skater Well, I've heard lots of good stuff about Hornady's TAP ammo, which I think is 75 grain. Mine's doing well on a diet of 55 grain Wolf, which isn't giving me any problems. If it ever does, I'll probably go to a NATO-spec round in the M193 family.
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#2975982 - 03/13/10 05:17 PM
Re: Building the Perfect M4 CQB Shorty...
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The rifle seems like it has too much neato to be legal in NY. Aren't there limits on clip size and things like flash suppressors?
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#2975983 - 03/13/10 05:19 PM
Re: Building the Perfect M4 CQB Shorty...
[Re: Bill_Grant]
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Terrible choice for the home. That round will go through your wall, your neighbors house, his neighbors house, and end up in the house 3 doors down from you.
12 gauge with number 3 shot, will knock them down harder, and not kill the neighbors.
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#2975985 - 03/13/10 05:24 PM
Re: Building the Perfect M4 CQB Shorty...
[Re: Skater]
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It's too bad they fell for the "one-piece gas ring" scam, though. I've seen plenty of ARs run with the gaps lined up, or without ANY gas rings - they don't provide a seal, they merely scrape powder residue from the inside of the bolt carrier.
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#2975999 - 03/13/10 06:06 PM
Re: Building the Perfect M4 CQB Shorty...
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That BUIS is really nice. I've debated getting them for my M4..but my optical sight is a simple 1x etched glass..so if the battery fails, or the electronics, I still have a black etched glass aiming point. It's a Leupold 1x14 Prismatic. I liked it because when you look through it, you pretty much cannot see the scope barrel.. PIC.. Can't wait to see it when you finish it!
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#2976004 - 03/13/10 06:35 PM
Re: Building the Perfect M4 CQB Shorty...
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I've always liked the Armson OEG, even though it's been superseded by the Aimpoints and other red dot sights for at least 10-15 years. Having put thousands of rounds through 3 OEG-equipped firearms, and having a fair amount of time on red dot sights as well, it's my opinion that the OEG is quicker because you just don't have the automatic instinct to "aim" with it since you can't see through it. Shoulder rifle with both eyes open, dot's floating in space, put dot on target, and BANG! Target's hit. Every time. It's the next closest thing to firing bullets out of your eyes LOL. Learning to use both eyes takes maybe 15-30 minutes, but you need binocular vision with no serious astigmatism. It even works for shooters who are cross-eye dominant (like me, most of the time.) The main disadvantage is that you can't deliberately aim with it, but it was never intended to replace iron sights.
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#2976014 - 03/13/10 06:43 PM
Re: Building the Perfect M4 CQB Shorty...
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Terrible choice for the home. That round will go through your wall, your neighbors house, his neighbors house, and end up in the house 3 doors down from you.
12 gauge with number 3 shot, will knock them down harder, and not kill the neighbors. Not in my part of NYC... We have old construction, mostly heavy thick brick walls and RC. Pretty much everything under a .50 or .338 will get stopped. I have an Ithaca Deerslayer, but it is too unwieldy, and I am worried about the low mag cap. True though... I hit ANYTHING with it (rifled barrel, so slugs only for that beast), it ain't getting up. -Skater
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#2976015 - 03/13/10 06:45 PM
Re: Building the Perfect M4 CQB Shorty...
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The rifle seems like it has too much neato to be legal in NY. Aren't there limits on clip size and things like flash suppressors? I have a few "special dispensations", but even I can't press my luck too far here. I am really straddling the line with this one. Wait until you see the final mod, but it will sadly be only a temporary one for a photo op only.  -Skater
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#2976017 - 03/13/10 06:48 PM
Re: Building the Perfect M4 CQB Shorty...
[Re: BeachAV8R]
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That BUIS is really nice. I've debated getting them for my M4..but my optical sight is a simple 1x etched glass..so if the battery fails, or the electronics, I still have a black etched glass aiming point. It's a Leupold 1x14 Prismatic. I liked it because when you look through it, you pretty much cannot see the scope barrel.. PIC.. Can't wait to see it when you finish it! Buy the MBUS's from Magpul directly or from USCAV... They are actually pretty cheap, you can both front and rear under $100 delivered. But they have a hard time keeping them in stock. I have seen them as much as $100 EACH elsewhere. Strange. -Skater
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#2976022 - 03/13/10 06:56 PM
Re: Building the Perfect M4 CQB Shorty...
[Re: Skater]
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As for optics, I got an ACOG a long time ago cheaply... Now they are $700-$1500 bucks! I also have/had Aimpoint CompM2, Mepro M21 Reflex (got this for under $300 not so long ago, now they are more than $600), EoTech 553 (too big for this)...
Believe it or not, some really cheap optics are pretty good for short range stuff... I have been impressed with NCStar red dots, reflex, and holo sights lately. How much you want to bet their cost goes up dramatically over the next 2 years, as their newer stuff is excellent.
What I am lusting after for this one though is an Aimpoint Micro T1. Those are NIIIIIIICE!
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