No, not looking to start a war about which is 'best', just wondering about a little comparison.

I know they are different animals, but still, they are both helo sims.

I did some EECH awhile ago (still trying to get it to run properly now), so I'm looking for opinions from guys who have played both before (if) buying into Black Shark.

Honestly, I enjoyed Longbow2 more than EECH, and that's not saying one was better than the other, just my take. Although I thought EECH was fun too (except for that nasal ATC woman... man, she drove me nuts!)

So... what do you guys think?

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(Belly laugh) HA-HA-HA.

Methinks you've been hitting too much of the brandy.

**As a simulator--

Well as far as "Heli Flight Simulators" go Blackshark is miles ahead.

**Mission variety--

EECH wins here, with a dynamic campaign engine, a variety of flyable aircraft.

**Complexity--

The DCS pit is in a league of its own regards cockpit systems. That being said though, once your airbourne I think the EECH Apache's variety of combat systems offer more than DCS Blackshark being purely optical.

**Flight Dynamics--

DCS Blackshark of course is well ahead

**AI--

I find EECH's AI to me more reactive to threat. eg: if you assault a FARP enemy aircraft will often be tasked your way, so dont hang around. In DCS if you dont fly the correct course AI triggers can fail result in a stationry enemy, or no enemy at all.

**Terrain--

DCS is a higher quality, but the trees have no collission effect. I like the dynamic weather in EECH as well.

Conclusion-

I still fly both sims, DSC is a joy to fly as a simulator, but lacks mission variety. EECH is a lot of fun to fly, the gameplay being more fluid, and varied.

My thoughts anyhow

Thanks Colonel, nice breakdown.

In my eyes, DCS:BS is nothing but a graphics and flight model demo. I see no point in buying a flightsim that runs on stone-age scripted campaigns.

So would you say DCS:BS is similar to Lockon in the campaign area? That's one of the things I didn't care for in Lockon, it just didn't seem very immersive. Pretty to fly around in, but not much depth.

If DCS and longbow2 like windows,then EECH most like linux,It's specialty and growing.we always get hope.

Yep, exactly.

With that much excess computing power avaiable nowadays it shouldn't be too hard to at least have a turn-based dynamic campaign runinng in the background (like DCG for IL-2).

I mean, even TK could implement one in his "Strike Fighters" series of games, and he's "just" a one-man company!

That isn't entirely correct (in my opinion). The one thing that DCS/Black Shark missions can give you is a mission scenario that is very challenging and hand-crafted to make it more immersive. I mean, I love the dynamic campaign of EECH for longevity, but when you look at the EECH on a more micro level, the missions all fit a very generic template based on the type of mission you are flying. But with a skilled mission designer, the missions in Flaming Cliffs or Black Shark can be sort of very involved and require a lot of skill to perform. The human designing it can think about a lot of contingencies and can craft a story around the mission that just can't really be accomplished with the cookie cutter template of the EECH missions.

Comparing the two or giving a valuation of the two is difficult and subjective. I enjoy clearing a map in EECH for the feeling of accomplishment just like I enjoy figuring out a tricky custom mission in Black Shark. The same, but different..