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#2952067 - 02/03/10 03:51 AM Partly OT - The old falcon is hunting again...
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Peter Spoden, former Luftwaffe nightfighter ace, performs a typical Bf 110 attack on a British Lancaster bomber. This time at daylight and sitting as co-pilot in an A-26 twin-mot. The use of "Schräge Musik" (lit. "oblique music" which was used in German to describe "Jazz music")is demonstrated - most interesting imo...

Youtube - Schräge Musik

Spoden´s website - in case you´re interested in more wink

http://www.nachtjaegerspoden.de/seiten/n_probe.htm

What about SM (I mean "Schräge Musik") in EAW?
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#2952281 - 02/03/10 10:54 AM Re: Partly OT - The old falcon is hunting again... [Re: Fran_Zee]
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We can have SM, since EAW1.28. smile

Very nice film and also good reading(pdf´s in german).
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#2952386 - 02/03/10 02:12 PM Re: Partly OT - The old falcon is hunting again... [Re: Knegel]
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That interview is part of an entire Canadian made TV series about "Night bombers".
I have the whole series on several CDs sent to me several years ago by "Karsten" - a researcher who investigates WW2 crash sites.
It is interesting as it proceeds through the whole war, showing how one side would gain an advantage with their technology, but then the other side would turn it to a disadvantage. For example a defensive radar transmission from an aircraft being detected by new technology available to the enemy to pinpoint where that aircraft was.

http://www.bomber-command.de/

wink Jel


Edited by MrJelly (02/03/10 02:54 PM)
Edit Reason: Link added
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#2952445 - 02/03/10 04:29 PM Re: Partly OT - The old falcon is hunting again... [Re: MrJelly]
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Ahh... for the first time in weeks, I can post here!
(For some reason I can sign in to SimHQ, but not to the Forums...Col. Gibbon tells me Ray Otton has the same problem, and GUOD of SimHQ says this sometimes happens).

Mr. Jelly is quite right about the Spy-vs-Spy tradeoffs during the war, when one side would get ahead of the other, only to find that advantage negated by advancements of the other side.

This is from my article, "First Salute to the Jet Age" at Kilroy Was Here, a WWII website:
http://www.kilroywashere.org/009-Pages/Woody/Salute.html

A curious kind of spy-versus-spy fits in here.
Electronic warfare, like jets, had its roots in World War II. A radar device, AN/APS 13, code named "Monica", was developed by the "boffins" of the Bomber Support Development Unit in Worcestershire(England). Monica radar was mounted in the tail of bombers and gave early warning of any fighter aircraft coming down on them.
It was very effective. Bomber gunners had the jump on the German night fighters, some of who had their own radar.

Monica was of keen interest to German engineers when it was found on a crashed bomber and turned over to them. They deduced its use, back-engineered it, and came up with a counter-measure known as the "Flensburg". Just like some of today's electronic wizardry, the Flensburg picked up radar signals without making any of its own. Unlike the Americans, The British flew their bombing missions mostly at night. The Flensburg led the German night fighters straight to the bombers using Monica.

Just how the Brits learned Monica was turned into a double agent serving both sides is not clear, but the likely answer is the code-breakers at Bletchley Park or spies in Germany. At any rate, Monica was soon no longer welcome on bombers.

But it was very welcome mounted in the cockpit of V-1 hunters on night missions.


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#2953868 - 02/06/10 11:00 AM Re: Partly OT - The old falcon is hunting again... [Re: Wudpecker]
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I'd put my money on one of two possible events, the Bletchley Boffins, or, a recovered Luftwaffe nightfighter.
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