Dear IL-2 fans,

Since the release of patch 4.09, Daidalos Team has been working on the next official patch 4.10. We have done a substantial progress already and we would like to start showing you our latest development and gradually revealing the content of the patch until its release.

All the official updates for patch 4.10 are going to be shown in this first post, please use the rest of the thread for comments and questions.

We would like to emphasize that everything we are showing here has WIP status and is not a finished yet. Please take it into account.

Thank you.

Daidalos Team

4.10 Patch Overview - updated weekly
- all listed planning and content is subject to change by DT or 1C/MG



Development Update - 2010-05-28

Well yes... today is Friday! As we are quite busy, we didn't manage to prepare an update for yesterday.
Nethertheless we would like to show you something - RE.2000 cockpit in finalisation status (WIP):











Thanks!


Development Update - 2010-05-20

Dear IL-2 fans. We would like to inform that after several months of negotiations with Oleg, Ilya and MG/1C management, our team has signed a non-exclusive license agreement. Basically this agreement will give Team Daidalos full access to all assets related to the sim, but our work still remains non-commercial. Most important assets for us now is the SFS tools so that we can build the patch independently and don't need to sacrifice MG team's precious time. Also this will speed up the releasing process, since we can do a new build ourselves if we find bugs from release candidate build.

This past month we have been learning the use the new tools which has taken some time. Also we had to build up a proper codebase for the tools and overall adjust our ways of working. So please have patience and excuse us for the delay. We still do this for free as a hobby and not from 9 to 5 and probably everyone has had less time to give to TD than they wanted to give. Good news is that we don't have any major bugs open. Just some integration work left, finishing some WIP default skins, adjusting some small things and testing that we didn't break anything.

Video for today doesn't have any single theme, but it's more like random picks of things not shown on video before. Enjoy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOyQHjkjhHY


Development Update - 2010-04-22

Our work and testing of patch 4.10 continues. There is no need to have any concerns about the patch. It will be released when it is finished. We are aware of our delay and we will communicate our release date to public when we are ready. For now, please stay patient. Thank you for your support. [/B]

Today, we would like to show you 2 new AI bombers.

Do 217 - AI - internal DT development

Do 217 will carry Fritz X and Hs 293. Default skin is still WIP.










Cant Z.1007 - AI - external 3rd party development with DT modelling support

An example of a well built model within DT specifications and with our direct modelling support. The modeller has received a detailed feedback from one of our experienced modellers, learned new modelling techniques and reworked the 3D model. Now, the is ready to be included in the patch. Well done model and skin, thank you!














Development Update - 2010-04-09

Testing & bug fixing continues, so not much news this week either. But we can try to capture on video some of the things we test which haven't been yet introduced. This weeks video is about circling torpedos and Ju-88 variants.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pe6ovQPyiuk&feature=player_embedded

Torpedos:

The "Motobomba FFF" was a circular running torpedo, designed for Regia Aeronautica by Freri, Filpa and Fiore (hence the name FFF), designed to be dropped from high altitude on enemy harbours or amidst enemy convoys.

This bomb was adopted by Regia Aeronautica, but used in very small numbers (large stores of unused bombs were found still in 1978!) but was adopted in large number an employed with success by the Luftwaffe, under the name LT 350.

This bomb was dropped from high altitude (from 500 to 4000m). It had a first small "pilot" parachute to stabilize the speed around 100m/s. At an altitude of about 130 m, a larger parachute opened. Once in water, the bomb had a circular - spiral trajectory, it run at slow speed (22 Km/h) for about 15 to 30 minutes.

Another similar torpedo we have done is the Russian torpedo 45-36АВ-А (45-36AV-A) which was based on submarine torpedo 45-36. Functionality is much like Motobomba FFF, but range is only 4 km with 39 knots speed.

Ju-88 variants:

Existing Ju-88 A-4 has gone through a small facelift and we've also included two new variants. A-17 & A-4/Torp.

Changes include texture mapping fixes so now it's easier to dress up nicely. Cpt_Farrel is doing great new default skins for all variants (still slightly WIP in the video). Damage model has been improved and some bugs have been fix. Also few of the holes in cockpits have been fixed. Both new torpedo variants have ToKG (torpedo-kommandogerät) installed which was introduced already earlier. Also they have a binocular view for better spotting of ships. This helps with determing ships AoB and speed which are fed to the ToKG.

Development Update - 2010-04-01

We are still very busy finalizing and testing patch content, so only simple Hs-129 video this thursday. Don't mind the bad camera work. Video was made in big hurry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfvTrPWiHE8

This video shows some of the new & updated loadout options and details of the cockpit. External cannons/MGs have their own indicator lights that show if the weapon is ready to fire. Bombs have indicator lights also. Cockpit of B-3 variant with BK7.5 cannon has some minor differences, including a own ammo counter for BK7.5. The cannon can also be dropped (causes score penalty) since the B-3 flies very badly with one engine & BK7.5. Even the BK7.5 creates lots of drag and weights a lot, it also increases the stability of the plane, since it's acting like big vertical stabilizer. Drag, weight & stability changes noticeably when the cannon is dropped.

Development Update - 2010-03-18

First we would like to communicate 2 things:

1. We are entering the beta phase of the 4.10 patch, so we will reduce the quantity of development updates and focus on the testing of the patch.
2. We are in a time delay and will will inform you about the new patch release date and update the schedule accordingly.

And some more planes to come in 4.10:

Reggiane Re.2002 (internal DT development)
AI for now.



Fairey Fulmar (external development)
AI for now.



Fairey Swordfish (external development)
AI for now.





Development Update - 2010-03-11

Multi-Crew option on dogfight servers

One of the main advantages of coop mission mode over dogfight servers is the ability for human players to man together the multi-crew planes. We are about to change this. The following video demonstrates work that is currently being undertaken to bring multi-crew option to dedicated/dogfight online games. This feature is still in development but if the testing is successful and we don't find any major issue, we are aiming to release it in patch 4.10. More info to come...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXN7CqgmKY0


Increased DM of bridges + winter version

Rework of bridges includes:

1) Fixed a bug which caused misses up to 100m to register as direct hits

2) Increased toughness of bridges. Rail and Highway bridge types will most likely be immune
to anything smaller than SC250 kg bombs as historical evidence suggests. Still WIP.

3) While we were at it, we added support for bridge winter skins on winter maps and retextured summer skins.











Development Update - 2010-03-04

Structural G Limits & Multiple Joystick Profiles (internal DT development)

At present all aircraft in IL2 have a single fixed Structural G limit of +13G. It only really becomes an issue with aircraft with exceptionally light elevators such as the P51. Pull more than +13G and you loose your wings. The real life situation is a little more complicated. Real aircraft are designed with an Ultimate load and In Service design load. Both are for a defined configuration and weight.

The in Service load is the typical G available to the pilot. As long as this the G is not exceeded then no aircraft damage will occur. Exceed the In service G limit then damage of varying degrees may occur .. like bent airframes etc. Exceed the Ultimate load then severe damage will occur typically resulting in structural failure ... like wings coming off etc.Typically a safety factor of 1.5 is used. So an Fighter aeroplane with a design In service G limit of say +8G will have an Ultimate load of +12G. As external stores and or weight is increased above the design weight both G limits reduce accordingly. Reduce weight (by dropping bombs or burning fuel etc) and your G limits increase. Bomber and Transport aircraft have G limits much lower than fighters.
So if you abuse the limits you damage the aircraft. Once damaged then its structural integrity is reduced so the ultimate load reduces as well. In other words keep bending the airframe and you will eventually weaken it to the point that very little extra G is required to induce structural failure. A bent airframe wont perform as well either.

The DT team have now simulated this for the first time in IL2. Each aircraft has been given a unique Structural G profile for Ultimate load, In service limit, and dynamic Weight based limits . In addition this is dynamically modified with its own G induced damage profile. The basic Design Ultimate load configuration and weight has been defined as Default load + 100% Fuel. The actual Ultimate design load has been based on Historical values where they are known and guesstimation where they are not known. In broad brush terms for fighters have an Ultimate design load of +12G with an In service limit of +8G. Lets abbreviate this to 8G/12G

How does this work in game ? You take your stock standard Fighter MK 1 with Default armament +100% Fuel your limits are +8G/+12G. You add 2 x 500lbs bombs. your limits now reduce to 5G/8G. So prior to the target you need to be a little more careful with your aeroplane. Lets say pre target you pull + 6G, you have exceeded the In service limit, you will hear a damage sound cue and suffer a slight aerodynamic penalty. In addition your G limits have now reduced to say 4G/6G. (Bust these again and further aerodynamic penalties and further reductions will apply). You progress to the target and release your bombs. Since the weight is reduced your limits will increase but since you already bent the airframe you wont get back your original limits. You might then get say +6G/+9G. As you can see if you keep abusing the limits you will end with a very weakened airframe.

In the case of heavy bombers G limits will prevent any real aerobatic manoeuvers. You will still be able to evade quite well but you wont be able to BFM with aeroplanes like the A20 anymore. Bombers will be just that: Bombers. G limits will be applicable to AI planes as well and they will fly in a more realistic way too.

Is G displayed? Unless the aircraft in game is equipped with a G meter then no. So you will need to re think how you fly. Random snatches particularly at high speeds are going to hurt .... just as they do in real life. You will need to be aware of Corner speeds because any time you are faster than Corner speed you run the risk of an Over G event. (We are yet to finalise the display side of things)

Coupled with this is a new Joystick module that allows the player to save and store up to 4 different stick sensitivity routines. These can all be adjusted or loaded in the arming screen. So once you have selected your aeroplane type you can select your customised stick profile.

We understand that such an important development in the sim's FM needs a thorough testing. We are cooperating with a group of real life pilots who are doing a fantastic job testing this new core feature with us. Salute!

Tester 1
14,500hrs flying Command Ratings on the following types
PA28,C172,Winjeel, Macchi MB326,MirageIII,F18,Boeing 767,Boeing 747-400,A330,A380
*Was Fighter Combat Instructor on Mirage III and F18 , now A380 Captain)

Tester 2
7000hrs rated on the following types:
CAP-10,C182,PA28,C152,BE76,Boeing 737,Boeing 767,A380
(Has full aerobatic rating now First Officer on A380)

Tester 3
Unknown number of hours very knowledgeable Private pilot.

Tester 4
Unknown number of hours. Former Military test pilot with ratings on more aircraft than one could ever dream of, and a Graduate of the Empire test pilots School (ETPS).


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qBjYuwhjnE



The Slot map by Team Pacific (3rd party development)

An important addition to Pacific war scenario.








Development Update - 2010-02-18

Re2000 cockpit WIP




New QMB options

First of all QMB is now expanded to 3 windows. First one is same old standard one with just a few changes.



It can be seen on picture that there is a new window "Plane List". Users can chose between 4 different plane lists: Standard,Alphabetical,Custom1,Custom2



That way user don't have to scroll through the huge list, he can simply make a list with his favorite planes only and easily set up his QMB missions. For example next picture show Custom list with American and Japanese planes only, ideal for PTO fans.



Another novelty is FMB button for quick access to FMB. In 4.10 users will be able to add new maps and missions to QMB. Unlike in old QMB in new one there is no limits in number of missions of same type for map. If there are more than one mission than QMB pick one randomly. That way you can have plenty of variety in QMB missions.

Lets see next page.


As you can see number of flights is doubled in 4.10, having 32 vs. 32 fights is lot of fun or maybe 1 vs. 32 :))


That didn't turn out too good but in 1 vs. 4 things were little bit better so we can check another new feature,Stats page.



That's it for today's update, keep in mind that QMB is still WIP and there will be more surprises in final release.


Development Update - 2010-02-12


IL2 4.10 MDS - Moving dogfight server

Developed independently by one of DT members with remote support of our team.

Some might know/use this already but for those that are unfamiliar with it, MDS (Moving Dogfight Server) is meant to enrich players online experiences. Originally, IL2 Dedicated Server does not provide usage of AI controlled units. Only cooperative game mode gives you that. But MDS changes this. And adds few extra things. To sum it up:

- add AI controlled units to your missions
- set up simple or advanced Fog of War conditions for your briefing and minimap screens
- limit your plane setups on your home bases (plane numbers, plane loadouts)
- limit selectable countries on your home bases
- ream, refuel and repair your aircraft
- disable ability for players to hit refly button and force them to fly with their head, instead with their ...
- manage your HUD scoring texts
- capture your home bases and specify planes, their loadouts and country options depending on the capturing army
- place home base on a moving carrier and take off from it
- more stuff...

For a couple of features, see provided movies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vT_e2XoCuuo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yflznGqypyc



More loadout options for Bf 109s

Bf-109F-2:
MG151/20 Nose Cannon (field mod)
1xSC250
4xSC50
1xType D drotank

Bf-109F-4:
1xSC250
4xSC50
1xType D droptank
2xMG151/15 Gunpods

Bf-109G-6:
U4/R3: Mk108 + Droptank
2xWfrGr21
2xWfrGr21 + Droptank

Bf-109G-6Late
U4/R3: Mk108 + Droptank
2xWfrGr21
2xWfrGr21 + Droptank (R3)

Bf-109G-6/AS:
U4R3: Mk108 + Droptank

Bf-109G-14:
MG151/20 Nose Cannon
U4: Mk108 Nose Cannon
U4/R3: Mk108 + Droptank

Bf-109G-10:
MG151/20 Nose Cannon
U4: Mk108 Nose Cannon
U4/R3: Mk108 + Droptank









Henschel Hs 129 - external & cockpit

We are close to finish the cockpit and external model upgrade for this interesting plane. In order to be able to model the cockpit as accurate as possible, one of our member was fortunate enough to spend 6 hours with Mr. Martin Mednis and his Hs 129 cockpit restoration. We have been able to receive first hand data and make several important improvements to our cockpit model. We would like to thank Mr. Mednis for sharing his Hs 129 treasures with us.

Current external model with WIP default skin by Capt. Farrel:








Cockpit (WIP):








Few highlights from Mr. Mednis restoration shop:












For older DT development updates – please scroll down


Thank you. Daidalos Team

Nice of them to make it a sticky for you.
This thread answered my question in the other thread too.

Looking forward to all the developments.
It might be to early to ask this but will this be another free patch from Team Daidalos?
No problem if you can't answer this yet.


Wheels

Impressive. This is a great addition to IL2. Thank you.

Most impressive, really.

OLDER DEVELOPMENT UPDATES BY DAIDALOS TEAM:


Development Update - 2009-01-21

Navigation improvements

One thing that has been requested often is improved navigation. The whole art of navigation in it's all forms is very complicated subject, but radio navigation is one small part that we decided to concentrate on. Currently the balance between playability and realism is such that the waypoints in mission act as sort of radio beacons and repeater compass has a needle that points towards the "beacons". This obviously has two issues. The "virtual beacons" can be located in too favorable and unrealistic positions such as middle of ocean or deep within enemy territory. Also most of the repeater compasses work like radio compasses which they didn't do in real life. Programmable waypoints for aircraft would be post-WW2 technology.

Here's Team Daidalos' solution for this matter:

Non-directional beacon object (NDB):
New stationary radio beacon object that can be placed on map. If any of these are present on map, all navigation instruments work only with beacons and not with waypoints anymore. waypoints are still there as usual (for AI), but they are just abstract points on map and compasses don't know anything about these. Old missions work as usual, since they don't have the new beacon objects.

Each beacon is given an unique two letter ID and also the friendly beacon icons & IDs are always visible in map, since their positions are known. Pilot will have two new keys. Next Beacon & Prev Beacon. These are used to tune radio to selected beacon frequency (based on ID). Beacon will broadcast it's ID as Morse code once in minute so pilot can hear if he is tuned to correct beacon. Also pilot can hear a static (chirring) background noise when beacon is transmitting constantly, but there is no modulated signal. Cone of silence is also included, so pilot knows when he has flown directly over the beacon.

Meacon object (masking beacon):
Meacons were trick to render beacons less usable for the enemy. Meacon basically captures enemy beacon signal and re-radiates the same signal from different location. Therefore confusing the enemy trying to use it's own beacons for navigating. This is a stationary object like the NDB.

ZB/YE "Hayrake" directional beacon:
The ZB/YE system that allied used was one way of finding a way back home to own aircraft carrier. ZB beign the receiver in plane and YE the rotating directional beacon installed to allied aircraft carriers. This device broadcast a different letter of the (Morse code) alphabet every thirty degrees as it rotated. These letters could be picked up by the ZB receiver in a plane as it moved into the radio signal range. From the letter heard the pilot could determine a bearing to the ship. In the corner of each pilot's plotting board was a compass rose. When preparing flight data before starting a mission, the pilot filled in each slice of the pie with letters designated for the YE that day.

In game this works as following way. Root of the orders menu (tab) includes details of all friendly "hayrake" carriers. For example

Lexington CV2 ID: FC Code: EWQ / KPT / VXZ / ADJ

Pilot will use again the Next Beacon & Prev Beacon keys to tune the radio to certain frequency (based on ID). If player would tune his radio to listen this CV2, he would hear Morse code about twice in a minute as the carrier's "hayrake" antenna rotates at 2 RPM and sending the signal. Code after the carrier name is the Morse code pattern that the YE sends to different directions. Each letter in code represents 30 dec segment starting from 0 dec. For example carrier transmits K to 90-120 dec. So pilot hears K (dash dot dash), the carrier is at bearing 270-300. Code is randomly generated, but still same for all online players.

IJN carriers have normal NDBs, since Zeros & Val have fixed D/F-loops and homing indicators. Acccording to our current knowledge, Axis didn't have similar system in use.

YG shore based "Hayrake":
YG was simplified version of the YE which was used on land. This is a stationary ground object like the NDB that can be placed on ground and is always visible in map with ID. Functionality is same as with YE, except the code is fixed and same for all beacons. Carrier's YE code was changed daily in order to protect the carrier in case enemy would have found out the code.

Lorenz blind landing beacon:
This is similar stationary object like the NDB beacon. It must be placed certain way at airports in order to work correctly. Again pilot user the Next Beacon & Prev Beacon keys to tune to correct frequency. Aircrafts approaching the runway in dark or bad weather would tune their radios to the broadcast frequency and listen for the signal. If they heard a series of dots, they knew they were off the runway centerline to the left (the dot-sector) and had to turn to the right to line up with the runway. If they were off to the right, they would hear a series of dashes instead (the dash-sector), and turned left. Key to the easy operation of the system was an area in the middle where the two signals overlapped, where the dots of the one signal "filled in" the dashes of the other, resulting in a steady tone known as the equi-signal. By adjusting their path until they heard the equi-signal, the pilot could align their aircraft with the runway for landing.

Two small marker beacons were also used with Lorenz, one 300 m off the end of runway, the HEZ, and another 3 km away, the VEZ, modulated at 1700 and 700 Hz, respectively. These signals were broadcast directly upward, and would be heard briefly as the aircraft flew over them. To approach the runway, the aircraft would fly to a published altitude and then use the main directional signals to line up with the runway and started flying toward it. When they flew over the VEZ they would start descending on a standard glide slope, continuing to land or abort at the HEZ depending on whether or not they could see the runway.

Many Luftwaffe planes have a combined blind landing & homing gauge AFN-1 or AFN-2 to show a visual indication of the Lorenz beam & markers. There are made fully functional with Lorenz blind landing beacon.

Lorenz blind landing beacon (internal DT development)



Realistic navigation instruments difficulty option:
Currently there are several navigational instruments in game which give too much information for player. For example the standard Luftwaffe & US repeater compasses work like radio compass. Pointing towards next waypoint or NDB. In real life these instruments didn't have any D/F (direction finding) ability. In order to have this, the plane needs a D/F-loop antenna.

Team Daidalos added a new difficulty option to enable more realistic navigation instruments. This is what happens when it's turned on:

-All repeater compasses stop working as radio compass.

-Manually heading indicators in repeater compasses are adjustable with two new keys. In LW compass this is the circular compass rose while the plane icon indicates magnetic heading. In US compass this is the fork like heading indicator which previously was pointing to waypoint.

-AFN-1 & AFN-2 gauges in Luftwaffe planes are operational in their homing mode indicating when plane if flying towards/away from beacon. The limitation of fixed D/F-loop antenna is included, so that it only measures signal strength, but cannot know it plane is flying straight towards beacon or away from it. Also AFN range needle is working. Some level of radio signal attenuation is modelled, so that the signal gets weaker/stronger based on distance, alt, sun and landmasses between transmitter & receiver.

-Similar gauges in other planes are working also as expected.

-In Russian planes these instruments are disabled IF the plane doesn't have D/F-loop. Acccording to our current knowledge, many russian fighters had an option to install direction finding eqipment, but they didn't have these installed.

-Planes that have a real radio compass (rotating D/F-loop), such as B-25, Bf-110, Ju-88, Beaufighter, etc. have their radio compass working as expected. Indicating relative bearing to selected NDB.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ljgmXx07R8

We are going to provide a higher quality version of the following video later this week, Youtube has compressed the original video and too many details have been lost.

I-15bis as flyable (internal DT development, textures with external cooperation)





CW-21 as flyable (3D model unfinished from PF development, textures upgrade and implementation by DT)







Development Update - 2009-01-16

New FMB features - more to come... (internal DT dev.)
Polikarpov R-5 - AI only - 4000 polygons (internal DT dev.)
Henschel Hs 129 - flyable with historical cockpit (internal DT dev.)
Henschel Hs 129 - upgrade of original 3D model + new weapons + new skin - 4500 polygons (internal DT dev.)

Videos:
http://www.youtube.com/user/DaidalosTeam

Screenshots:
http://img695.imageshack.us/g/dt20100116content.jpg/

This looks so awesome!
Looks like I've got a deadline to get my new X45 since the dog chewed through my cable (unless anyone knows about the feasibility of reconnecting the wires).
I'm excited for the new additions, but also, i like that from the landing video it looks like night time may actually be dark now!
Once that gets paired with the AI no longer being able to see in the dark this game will be perfect for night missions.

Thanks for your generous contribution to IL2! Its work like this that will keep the game alive for many years...

That AI AA visibility will be a great thing. You can run and hide in the clouds, or sneak to the target unmolested.

I know this may be beyond what's possible to do as a patch but one thing that annoys me with the IL2 in-flight map is the fact that you often have to go searching for your plane especially when in zoom.

It would be great if your plane was always in the centre of the map by default until you moved it.

Turn off the map and reopen it.
This will recenter you on the map as long as the No Minimap Path setting is toggled off.
http://mission4today.com/index.php?name=Knowledge_Base&op=show&kid=390


Wheels

Daidalos Team -great job on the support and continued upgrade of IL2.

The triple A visibility and change of the high altitude sky are very welcomed features.

Question --will visibility range (size of dot/aircraft) be reworked for higher resolutions in IL2 ?

The default of 1028x728 assures a large dot and visibility but as resolutions go higher especially on new wide screen monitors dot size/aircraft get harder and harder to see. I view this page at 1900x1200 and play FPS games at this resolution but there is no way I could play IL2 at this resoulution and see enemy aircraft approaching.

Question--will .50cal tracers be fixed so they can be seen from inside the cockpit (full real mode)?

Sorry if these questions have already been asked.

Hi Wheels.

Sorry I meant like a moving map so instead of a staionary map where your plane moves across then disappears off the edge or disppears as soon as you zoom in, the map moves and your plane stays central on the map unless you click it to over-ride it.

That way you could open your map and just leave it or zoom in and out and your plane would still be central. If you wanted to look elsewhere on the map you would just drag it like you do now etc.

OK NineLives I understand you now.


Wheels

There is a new update at the banana forums, top stuff as always!

banana forums?

Ive only come accross these updates from the Daidalos Team and I must say they are looking really really fantastic and can't wait for easter to roll around

Nickname for the 1C forum.

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?p=141692#post141692


Wheels

Any chance to get some changes to FMB?
As now the object and squadron list is way too long to go through and find a specific plane or a squadron.

Could it be changed so that aircraft, objects , squads + other FMB stuff would be listed by country.

If there was a select a country option before the object selection where you could select what objects you want to use.It would just filter those aircraft,ships,land units and objects that where used by that selected country.

Hope you understand what i mean.

Any chance of finding out where the next update will be posted (now that the banana forum is extinct/eaten)?

This is so cool,,working radio beacons! I have just been getting into 1930's adf stuff in Fs9 and love finding and following the beacon signal to the field. Thanks very much guys,,great job!

Please, I humbly ask to you to update DGEN.exe...

Odd that DT posted their last update on the 1C forum but not here.... and now the 1C forum is inaccessible. Hopefully DT will pick up with the updates on this site again.

Yes, the forum has been done for at least a day, looked like they were doing a forum upgrade (to another platform???)

It will happen here

1C forum is back up BTW

Without anyone even having a valid email address of Starshoy, not to mention the source code, that wish is going to remain a stillbornI'm afraid.

New update posted on the first page + last week's forgotten update below.


OLDER DEVELOPMENT UPDATES BY DAIDALOS TEAM:

Development Update - 2010-02-04

New ship damage
This video shows some visual enhancements in naval warfare. This is still WIP and all of the new effects and 3d models are just placeholders.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xO42TA8xMPg


Torpedo-Kommandogerät
This device is like simplified torpedo data computer found from subs. Better explanation is embedded in the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKFbIFu4v6o

That Hs-129 looks very very tasty. Can't wait to fly her

Will the FMB triggers be in 4.10?

20mm cannon for G10 and G14 ! Thank you thank you thank you.

Awesome updates, wonderful stuff to look forward to !

Which is a shame.
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Cool update Team Daidalos.


Wheels

Maybe Ian Boys knows how to contact Starshoy. I think they worked together on the Ostfront and Burma Dgen campaigns.

Noone knows, not even Oleg. And if he doesn't know ...

Btw, what the Daidalos team COULD do was to ensure the Hs 129 and other flyables are DGen compatible.
The trigger that causes the 4.09 planes not to work in Dgen is in the code itself, not in Dgen.
Dunno what it is, but it seems the Hs 129 in mods does not work either.

And they could PLEASE fix the COOP wingman bug.

If you are in a flight of 4.
1: human
2: ai
3: human
4: ai

#4 will stick to #3. Never can be sent home, will almost always fly into the ground when 3 is landing, etc.

I might try dogfight servers again!

When will this come out and will it be free?

They try to release it before Easter afaik and yes, it will be for free.

Update posted, btw. Check first page. Thanks for your support guys.

Thanks for the update and heads up about it. Love what you're doing with the QMB! Keep up the good work as it's very much appreciated!!

The QMB improvements are terrific.
This patch looked good to start with but it gets better with each update.


Wheels

Looking forward to this,as well.I especially like the 32 plane setup in the QMB,and the correct loadout options for the 109's.Keep up the good work.

You are doing a super job!!!! Keep it up!

Daidalos Team,
Any chance that you could post more of the pictures from the Martin Mednis visit ?
Thanks

My two pence worth (I hope Daidalos Team read all comments in this thread)

1. AI improvements, such as those listed in an earlier update (which I cannot see in this thread, but read earlier) - i.e. making me truly invisible from AAAs (and presumably ***all*** AIs!) is a MASSIVE plus for me.

On this note I would also like to add that I hope this is extended to: 1) all AIs; 2) when flying in the dark (like at night - unless I am 'lit up' by lights from hostile airfield I should not be seen, let alone shot at); and 3); when AI's are 'blinded' by the sun and cannot see me coming from the same side.

If this is achieved I will be absolutely delighted as I can switch on the puffy clouds again.

2. As far as the clouds go I have a query - as diving into them causes the outside temperature to drop in real life this has a significant 'cooling' effect on the engine. Is this behaviour already observed in the IL2?

3. The QMB improvements are also great and I like the stats (the hit rate % in particular as it gives an indication as to how much of a waster I am!).

4. On the in-flight map I have a suggestion to make (which has been hinted at by earlier poster) - I would like this map, if switched on, to move automatically in the direction I am currently flying, so then I do not have to use the mouse and drag it forward now and again (or press 'm' to hide it and then 'm' again to show it).

Better still, if I could position my plane to be on a particular spot on the map and IL2 'remembers' it and then moves the map in the direction of flying than would be awesome.

The reason for that is because sometimes I need more of the front part of the map (i.e. the direction I am flying towards) to be visible and I am not particularly interested in what happens behind me.

In other words my plane sometimes may not be positioned at the centre of the map and once I position it I would like that position to be 'remembered'. Hope this is clear.

I don't know how much of the above is doable...

Update posted on first page.

Thank you very much for the update and work you're doing!!! Can't wait to try out these new features.

Variable G loading limits will definitely create a new wrinkle for us.


Wheels

This G Limit feature better be able to be turned on/off. It's really going to screw with the AI, NTRK files, etc.

Unless you're saying (even worse) that such G Limits will not apply to AI.

Testers are great, but they all have what everyone else has...
OPINIONS.

Awesome job as always. I'm following these updates constantly and never cease to be shocked by the amount and depth of changes that is being applied. Hats off!

DT,

Damn, end of March is near and so many goodies heading our way. Great work and keep it up!

Can't think of the things you like to add with 4.11 and beyond as so many are already planned for 4.10 ;-) What in heavens name is planned for 4.13?

Rgs,
Mark

G limiting is working just fine under NTRKS

But does the AI deal with the new "opinions" under all the other mission generated/available in the game?

Just one thing wrong with G-limits, you don't get that butt sensation of the plane vibrating.
Hope it's and on/off feature please on the difficulty settings.

It will be selectable, and its not an issue with AI either.

Awesome.
I just, for some reason, get bristled when we start down that path of opinions of flight models and characteristics. Regardless of the lineage of the testers.

I'm okay with Oleg/1C making those determinations, but when 3rd parties do it, it's more of just a MOD. When we were betatesting the wobble problem we had 4 pilots giving 4 different opinions on why/where/what.

turns out, the wobble wasn't the input but the "output" (release) that caused it.

Hahah . . . Thats the Tolwyn I remember! Tenatious as always! Give em hell bro!

Hope all is well.

Daidalos is pretty much the new Oleg in terms of things being put into the game.
Since Oleg is working on BOB your only hope for a supported is Team Daidalos.
I don't know where you're getting this sour attitude from, what's so wrong with the "opinions" of the people working for Daidalos, and how are they any different from those of the people who did testing for 1C?

@Tolwyn: One of the listed testers (T1) is actually Oleg's own external tester who has been evaluating IL-2 FM for years. He will also test SoW. That's as close as you can get I suppose.

Since it's Thursday, update is posted on the first page.

Any chance of getting bridge/s put on the map that were forgot?
On at least one map there is a bridge shown but when you zoom in fully it's not on the map.
The vehicles cross the water like the bridge is there without any problems.
I've never tried to bomb it but the icon for a bridge is there so I guess you could.

Would adding that affect any campaigns made for that map making them unplayable ?
I ran into campaigns made on the v4.09b1m MTO map being unplayable after the changes to the MTO map for v4.09m.
See this post if you want an example of what happened: http://www.mission4today.com/index.php?name=ForumsPro&file=viewtopic&p=64181#64181
The campaign link is in the first post. http://mission4today.com/index.php?name=Downloads&file=details&id=3677
The campaign still works fine if I use the v4.09b1m patch.


Wheels

I'm not being sour, or at least, not trying to be.

I love new features, but worry about changing flight characteristics as they are very "subjective".
@DT. Yeah, me too. That's why I guess I worry about it.
I post because I care. That's all. Love the new stuff you guys are doing, BELIEVE me.

Perhaps this is a fording point? I think there was one map which had these (ie. vehicles driving through shallows).

It would be a problem to bomb in DCG though (mind you, I recall that the Germans tried submerging a bailey bridge in order to hide it from the Soviets - it worked for a couple of days, then it was found and bombed successfully - so not necessarily that much of a problem)

Hear, hear!

My wish list:

Fix Wingman handling in COOPS.
If 1 and 3 are human, #4 cannot be sent back to base. Ever. They will always (almost) crash when 4 lands.
1 cannot control AI4, either.

Fly All (any) Aircraft (I KNOW, I KNOW).
I fully understand and appreciate that this is unrealistic FM and such, cockpits, and such. But dang it, it's so much fun!! Good for movie making, too.

Decrease auto-snap distance to airfield takeoff icons. Make it easier for taxiing to takeoff.
OR: Fix/re-enable 0 height, 0 speed, 0 fuel possibilities. Human-controlled could never start with zero fuel, so they could be started from anywhere. AI would just sit there (set parachute=no).


Weapon view.

New option to lock camera to a specific chief or object (flag in mission builder).


New Objects:

Simple small boxes colored blue, red, green, etc., that can be placed INSIDE buildings to help score points.

(color)_target_50
(color)_target_100
(color)_target_200

(color)_hardened_target_50
(color)_hardened_target_100
(color)_hardened_target_200

(color)_invisible_target_50
(color)_invisible_target_100
(color)_invisible_target_200

(color)_invisible_hardened_target_50
(color)_invisible_hardened_target_100
(color)_invisible_hardened_target_200


where color = any currently selectable army color

That is a possibility but it would be surprising to me.
On the map I am remembering it was the only location that did not have a bridge.
(It has been a while since I saw it and now that I mentioned it I can't find it. )


Wheels

The Burma map has a lot of fording points on rivers or what I would see as shallow river crossings.
There is no bridge icon at these locations in the FMB though and nor should there be. If a river crossing is considered to be shallow then it should be quite ok to cross.

This definitely had a brige icon in the FMB but no bridge when you went into 3d view.
The whole map was covered with the small "bamboo bridges" and I don't remember if it had any full size bridges on the map.
I don't remember any railroads on the map now that I think about it either.


Wheels

I hope they make the structural stress stuff on and off switchable in the difficulty menu. It may be more realistic but I'd like to turn it on or off, thank you very much!! I mean we can switch stall and spins and the like on or off if we want to. Why should we get stress limits shoved down our throats?? My style ( offline ) is to thrash planes around. While that may not be realistic, I sure as heck don't want to have to completely relearn my flying techniques all over again. I'll not apply the patch unless it's switchable and that would be too bad because I'll miss out on new planes.

I'm sure it will be selectable as many people like yourself will want to leave it out. Then there are the people who will want it turned on as it will add a completely new dimension to flying. Hopefully both camps will be happy with the results, I know i am very much looking forward to the introduction of it.

Well then that's ideal as I can still try it and try to get used to it a little at a time. And turn it off again for a while. Once again the Daidalos team comes through for the IL2 fans.

So? where's the patch?

Update posted. Check the first page please.

Thanks a lot! ^_^

Waiting with mouth watering.

Update posted. First page.

Thank you sir! Can't wait to check out what you guys have done.

Looking good.
Using those torpedoes should be interesting.


Wheels

The silence is killing me!

Any hints as to release date?????

Update posted.

Nice Planes.


Wheels

Axis Medium Bombers... very nice. That 217 looks great!

Out of interest... would the DT team be hamstrung by the same IP/Copyright issues that Oleg & his team ran into on Pacific Fighters? In other words, would there ever be a chance of seeing an Allied Medium Bomber such as, say.... the B-26 Marauder (hint, hint ) in a future DT release?

This is WONDERFUL news!

Also, I think it's a wise decision to make those bombers AI. At least for now. They are mainly needed in that role.

Keep up your excellent work, guys!

Yes, Team Daidalos is under the very same restricions, that Oleg have been.
So no official content, that has Grumman any rights on. Sad but fact.

So Lockheed Martin could be a different story?

For now the problem is only with Grumman. I don't have a clue about, what they own and what not.
But, as I often told, rights on american battleships are theirs, unfortunately. Don't know about Lockheed.

I think Northrop/Grumman would have a hard time trying to claim American Battleships. USS South Dakota, for example, was built by New York Shipbuilding from a Navy Design. NYS went bankrupt in the 60's... and I'd love to see N/G try to claim any of the ships built in their yards.

We were told that a lot of US ship types are indeed touched by the agreement between NG and Ubi and we don't have any reason to doubt what Maddox Games told us. And regardless what a more thorough scrutiny of the issue would bring to light: Given the state of affairs with Il-2 and SoW neither Maddox Games nor Ubisoft are willing to spend money on it nor do they wish to rouse sleeping dogs. This is why we stay away from anything that stinks of NG.

I can see what you're saying CSThor... but if that's the case it's highly unfortunate. It'd be like saying no one should model a piano because Steinway doesn't like it. It's unfortunate that an oversight by Ubi is perpetuating a practice that is fundamentally wrong.

What someone needs to do (not TD obviously) is to rouse the Veteran's organisations to make a fuss. Unfortunately, I live in the wrong country to easily get involved.

The machines were bought with public money and citizen's fought and died in them. The idea that the names given to the machines and their depiction remain the intellectual property of a company, many decades and mergers down the line is worthy of ridicule. I'm sure NG would back off if the Vets were giving them enough bad press.

hiya all,
been quietly lurking here for a year or 4 LOL! played the living crap out of il-2 from way back in the demo days through to its latest incarnation though lately not getting much airtime due to life, and my other little passion building and flying R/C, oh and also the frustration of a 5yr old pc that
while top notch back then is somewhat lacking these days. will put a new one together when SOW is released and we have some specs for what it requires.
anyway, enough for my jabbering, i would just like to congratulate the team on their success, and hard work, Oleg created a monster with il-2, it was a ground breaking sim and shows the whole genre in the best possible light, why anyone/corperation would not want to be identified with it, and its representation of history beats me. as previous posters have mentioned the aircraft/ships/vehicles were owned by the government/people who paid for them through taxes/bonds, and i would think that many of the designs themself were commisioned by the respective war departments. in such a case would they not therefor be owned by the government? the whole concept of a corperation sueing for representing their suposed machine from a war 70 years ago that is obviously of no commercial interest to them now smacks of a money grab. how about putting the shoe on the other foot, i am sure that many a brave man/woman died while operating these machines due to poor design, ilconcieved concept, and or just being a substandard product rushed into production built by undertrained semi-skilled workers, i sure bet if the families sued the corperations for loss of family members and such the buck would quickly get passed to the government and the war, and the corperations would wipe their hands of responsibility saying that the machines were not theirs but owned by the government/people.
Sorry about the rant....i just detest corperations, oh and lawyers

Cheers
Craig

ps sorry about the spelling!

What are the chances of patching in object self shadowing (having the tail put shadows on the fuselage etc) into the il2 engine?

0%... we even discussed it, but its technical impossible.
The engine isn't prepared for this.

I've got three reasonable requests I'd like to see:

1. Do-17Z (even if it's only AI)
2. Hs-126 (again, even if it's only AI)
3. The ability to surprise enemy AI aircraft. Especially this one - it'd be nice if just once I could work my way up on someone's 6 o'clock low without them breaking as soon as I reach 0.4km...

Any chance I might get my wishes granted?

Thanks,
Matt

Hi Team,

any more update news on the patch?

Cheers
Hawk 5

Good. It's not a graphics simulator, or a video-card shader simulator.
it's a flight simulator.

No sense wasting FPS on stuff like that.

Dear Grumman.

Stop being a bunch of dicks.

Love, Tolwyn.
Feel free to contact me anytime.

Yes, please! BTW, is there a chance that new maps, especially the forthcoming Slot, get included in the DGen?

"Dear Grumman.

Stop being a bunch of dicks.

Love, Tolwyn.
Feel free to contact me anytime."

This totally cracks me up!

^_^

You're great Tolwyn.

lol!

@ Lagarto

No since only Starshoy has the DGen source code and he hasn't been seen for years now. Nobody, and I mean nobody, has an idea how to contact him so any work on DGen is simply impossible.

4 weeks now... ANY update would be GREAT!!! (please) :-)

Development update video posted + current work status explained.

That sounds very good to me. Basically, all work is in your already-proven-good hands now.
Of course, independent modders and teams won't feel the way I do. If only there was a way to work together...

Wondering If the guided bombs will be available also from the A20 and the PBJ (B25), that will be a great addition.

Thanks for the update.
Looking forward to it!!!

The CW-21 cockpit looks great! I may be getting a little impatient for the 4.10 patch...but I am certainly grateful for all the work your team is putting into this....I guess I can wait a little longer. Thanks DT!
Derek

Great stuff! Thanks for the update and I hope we actually get to play with it this month. S!

Looking good!
The I-15bis wins the "most cluttered gun sight award" hands down.

Yes it does.

Cool update.


Wheels

The lack of support for Dgen is very regrettable, but that's not Daidalos Teams fault.

Starshoys e-mail adress can be found here at SimHQ. Has anyone from DT tried if it still works?

I - personally - did have three mail addresses of him over the years. All been as dead as a doornail for long time. Give it up folks ... unless Starshoy magically reappears there's no chance to do anything.

A lot can happen in 3 to 5 years. Hopefully it's just that he's moved on to other things and not something else.


Wheels

Oh, don't disturb them now!? They're testing the 4.10 version freeze. (AFAIK )

The what? Hope they release the patch soon, I'm looking forward to the guided bombs and the new planes!

It's like testing the final RC of a game, before it goes gold. Does that clear it up?

Yes! Thanks for the explanation.

I am still new enough that I don't have a clue what you just said ??
Google didn't help either.
Care to elaborate a bit, Please. Thanks.


Wheels

Release Candidate is a version of the application being tested that the developer would like to release to the public.

It's the final stage in testing before releasing, the testers will find bugs, they will be reviewed on severity and impact, decided if they are to be fixed or not, then release another RC for further testing until a point is reached that it is in a good enough state to release to the public.

Going Gold = final version of the application is sent to the printers for DVD burning. However, if it is a patch, it's not often burnt to disk, but is used to signify that that it's ready to be shipped to the public.

Thanks for the explanation.


Wheels

Two weeks?

Oh, watch it! Invoking the "Two Weeks" incantation might bring forth trolls. TROLLS!!!

Two more trolls ?

Otherwise known as RTM - Release To Manufacturing

So you could have various Alphas, various Betas, various RC's and finally RTM during development.

Or you could have Betas released as RTM.

"TWO WEEKS"

Excellent movie Monster. I had forgotten about the scene.


Wheels

Actually, I think it might be released pretty soon, maybe in two weeks? This made me think so:
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpost.php?p=170598&postcount=1254

That would be nice but I don't see it happening that quickly.


Wheels

I think TD fell into the Oleg trap by posting a release schedule, We will see it when it's done and I hope that they stay mum on further developments till they can be more sure of the outcome. I like what they are planning to do but they kinda set themselves up for a shot in the foot by telling us their plans.

Hello,

I contacted Lowengrin, maker of the wonderful DCG campaign generator with a proposal to approach DT with the aim of replacing DGen (which is unsupported, as you say) with DCG which is regularly updated. Lowengrin was very receptive to the idea and I think most IL-2 users would be as well if they tried using DCG (I'm not sure if I'm allowed to link his website on the forum here). I'm not sure if he has talked with DT about this yet(he was in contact with them earlier about other stuff). I imagine DT is very busy with the 4.10 beta test right now so I wouldn't expect anything in the way of a yes or no on this until after 4.10 is released. We'll see where it goes.

Cheers,

Fafnir_6

Linking to Lowengrin's site isn't a problem.

Home - http://www.lowengrin.com/news.php
Support Forum - http://forums.oesau.jg1.org/index.php?c=4

He's posted in this forum occasionly.
http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/ubb/userposts/id/803.html


Wheels

Which is good, and all that....

But an update would be even better!

See here:

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=12568&page=137

(Scroll down.)

RedToo.

Thanks Red Too.


Wheels

From the 1C forum - I read that they have one major issue left to solve and a lot of localisation, mainly translating the new navigation manuals into the different languages, which is a lot of work. It's getting there but it will be a good while yet.

It might have been easier for them if they had made a few smaller patches instead of trying to make one large one.
Not a complaint, I'll be happy when it's done because of the amount of content they are adding.


Wheels

Yes I think they've said a few times that they've learnt from this. There's a LOT in this patch:

- new planes
- new weapons (incl. a droppable gun on the 129)
- new guided bombs
- new map
- DM changes
- input changes (for multi-engines)
- whole new class of torpedo
- changes to QMB / FMB
- visibility changes for clouds etc (hate to think how complicated that gets in multi-crew planes)
- Moving DF server
- New radio commands
- New nav beacons
- Morse signals from carriers
- ILS for the B-25

and I'm sure there' more I can't remember atm. Plus they have to learn the new SFS tools. Basically it's a huge amount for a part-time team. I can't imagine how complicated it is just to bring in the new Nav system. You know how many Russian planes need to have the cockpit changed?