Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Rate This Thread
Hop To
#2934228 - 01/07/10 05:57 AM Saitek X52 vs. X52 Pro (And issues with modern X52's)  
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 71
Brendan Offline
Junior Member
Brendan  Offline
Junior Member

Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 71
Hi folks,

After a leave of abscence of over ten years I'd like to get back into flight sims. Other than the occasional attempt to play IL2 with a dodgy Logitec joystick I haven't played anything so I'm really out of things at the moment.

I've been trying to find a decent HOTAS set up and the X52 series is starting to look promising. Unfortunately I'm going to have to import whatever I decide on which is going to vastly increase to cost of the thing as well as ensure that I don't get the chance to test one out before buying it. Obviously any stick I buy will have to last me for a few years and reliability is an issue.

Keeping all this in mind I'm a little bit concerned about talk of deadzones and reliability issues with the stock X52, Unfortunately I can't find any up to date information about the standard X52 and whether Saitek has tweaked their manufacturing processes over the years to iron out the kinks. Can anyone tell me how new X52's handle these days? Is the reliability, quality and performance much worse than the X52 Pro?

I currently have Bob II, Falcon 4 : AF and EECH on order but historically I've always preferred WW 1 and WW2 sims which is why talk of a deadzone concerns me greatly.

Thanks in adavance for help you can give me.

Inline advert (2nd and 3rd post)

#2934268 - 01/07/10 09:11 AM Re: Saitek X52 vs. X52 Pro (And issues with modern X52's) [Re: Brendan]  
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 1,600
Tbag Offline
Member
Tbag  Offline
Member

Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 1,600
Haslemere, UK
I had a CH Fighterstick before I got my X52pro. I must have been really unlucky with the Fighterstick because after a year some of the buttons stopped working which is unusual for CH Products. But the button-issue aside, I prefer the X52pro because it gives me smoother control then the CH stick, especially around the center. The X52pro is a great, precise stick with lots of functionallity and I can highly recommend it.

Depending on what you want to spend, it might be worth waiting a little to see how the Saitek X65:

http://www.saitek.com/uk/prod/x65f.htm

And the Thrustmaster Warthog:

http://www.thrustmaster.com/


The knack of flying is learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss. - Douglas Adams
#2934295 - 01/07/10 11:18 AM Re: Saitek X52 vs. X52 Pro (And issues with modern X52's) [Re: Tbag]  
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 71
Brendan Offline
Junior Member
Brendan  Offline
Junior Member

Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 71
Thanks TBag. Unfortunately budget is an issue. Exchange rates and shipping generally mean I spend doyble for items like this. The X52 Pro is already reaching the bounds of divorce worthy which is why I'm hoping to get away with the standard X52. Spending that sort of cash on a dud that I'm not going to be happy with is a major concern.

#2934305 - 01/07/10 11:47 AM Re: Saitek X52 vs. X52 Pro (And issues with modern X52's) [Re: Brendan]  
Joined: Oct 1999
Posts: 6,034
Allen Online content
Hotshot
Allen  Online Content
Hotshot

Joined: Oct 1999
Posts: 6,034
Ohio USA
I have Cougar, X52Pro, and a cheap Thrustmaster PS3/PC T-Flight Stick X ($30).

All three work very well indeed.

The Cougar has a "feel" advantage due to the all metal construction, weight, and aftermarket "force sensors". Force sensors lead to very accurate control after a learning period. Cost a fortune.

The Saitek X52Pro is nimble and has the most spring-stick control because of its neutral joystick springing and many analog dials etc. Most ergonomic stick as it is adjustable to your hand -- and, the throttle feels great. I like the lights for night flying (in a dark room). More than enough programmability for a normal person (but not everyone on this site) smile

The T-Flight is cheap. Yet, it is precise as the Saetek and Cougar for all practical purposes and a darned good controller, I think. I've bought 3 -- one for me two for relatives -- they used to be called Top Gun -- the new model has an extra button.

My point. If money really is tight, the T-Flight is a good choice. It is not very programmable, but it flies the planes and you can set it up for using in-game mapping.

However, the Saetek X52Pro probably represents the most "high end" stick for the money -- if its in the budget. At the time I bought, I considered the standard X52, but decided on the Pro (heck, it will last a real long time, hopefully, due to Hall Sensors -- much longer than an expensive graphics card or CPU upgrade). Since I don't own the standard X52, I can't compare them from my own experience.

Cougar and CH topoftheline stuff winds up expensive due to the rudder pedal requirement.

Just my opinions FWIW.


Sapphire Reference RX-480 8GB - Eyefinity 24P-32L-24P, Samsung SD850 1440p+ 2x 1200p, AMD Ryzen 7 1800X, 32GB G.Skill DDR4 Trident Z, Gigabyte GA-AX370 Gaming K7 MB, Samsung 960EVO + 840EVO SSDs = 1TB, 5x Seagate HD = 18TB, ASUS BluRay, Rosewill 1000W PSU, Rosewill R5 Case, ASUS AC66U router, TM Warthog HOTAS, TM T-Flight Stick X, TM Cougar+FSSB & CH Pedals, Saitek X52 Pro & Pro Combat Pedals, TrackIR5 w/TC Pro, Windows 10 Professional 64b
#2935737 - 01/09/10 03:49 AM Re: Saitek X52 vs. X52 Pro (And issues with modern X52's) [Re: Allen]  
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 2,740
streakeagle Offline
Senior Member
streakeagle  Offline
Senior Member

Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 2,740
Seffner, FL USA
The X-52 Pro is worth the extra cost over the X-52. I got mine when GoGamer had it on sale for $100. That was a fantastic deal I couldn't pass up despite having fully functional X-36 USB and X-45 sticks. The X-45 never felt as good as the X-36 due to its odd centering spring design. Somehow, the X-52 Pro has the feel of the X-36 with much more precision despite looking like it has the same centering spring design as the X-45. The return to a realistic all-black color scheme of the X-36 compared to the blue and silver focus of the X-45 and X-52 was a nice bonus too!


forum: a public meeting or assembly for open discussion
discussion: an extended communication (often interactive) dealing with some particular topic
censorship: practice of suppressing a text or part of a text that is considered objectionable
#2935813 - 01/09/10 06:07 AM Re: Saitek X52 vs. X52 Pro (And issues with modern X52's) [Re: streakeagle]  
Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 2,065
TailFlamer Offline
Member
TailFlamer  Offline
Member

Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 2,065
Clearwater, Fl. USA

I missed that sale frown Wish I had of known about it, great deal for a pro at $100.
I just bought mine for $152.50 shipped. It hasn't even came yet.

I have had great service from the Saitek 'X' series. A gameport version of the 36. Replaced it with my 45 the week the 45 was released. I wanted usb. I too think the 36 had a more solid feel to it than the 45. The 45 recently began spiking around center. Still usable, but failing. So having such longterm use from it, I bought the 52 pro to take its place. They are well built and last very long.
I know I have well over 1,000 hours playing with the 45. Maybe even over 2 or 3 thousand actually.


Scuderia Ferrari Marlboro
FIA Formula One World Championship
#2935852 - 01/09/10 08:21 AM Re: Saitek X52 vs. X52 Pro (And issues with modern X52's) [Re: TailFlamer]  
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 628
Donk Offline
Member
Donk  Offline
Member

Joined: May 2005
Posts: 628
Dudley, West Midlands
Have they got rid of that stupid hand guard yet? I used to have an x36 and it was a great HOTAS plus my first one, I then brought the x45 but I really hated that stick and it's rubbish software so I got rid of that and got my CH Products fighterstick and pro throttle and pedals. That was 9 years ago now and this year I'm gonna replace them coz the pedals are on the way out. I was looking at the Logitech g940 or the new thrustmaster a10 but because of the cost I may now got with the x52pro.

#2935920 - 01/09/10 01:30 PM Re: Saitek X52 vs. X52 Pro (And issues with modern X52's) [Re: Donk]  
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 19,463
Top Gun Offline
Veteran
Top Gun  Offline
Veteran

Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 19,463
Roch-Vegas NH
The X52 Pro is $142 USD on Amazon.com, you mentioned exchange rates so I'm guessing you don't live in the US. Not sure what it would cost to ship outside of the US. Free shipping inside the US.

I'm getting back in as well and think this is the what I"m looking at, just need to justify it over the the none PRO. I currently have the X36 but haven't used it in a few years and not sure if it would still work with Win 7?


XboxLive Tag: DOBrienTG1969

Dave O'Brien,
Top Gun Photography
Nikon D7200 & D7100
Nikkor 70-200VR AF-s F/2.8
Sigma 50-500 & 17-50 F2.8
#2936399 - 01/10/10 05:44 AM Re: Saitek X52 vs. X52 Pro (And issues with modern X52's) [Re: Top Gun]  
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 71
Brendan Offline
Junior Member
Brendan  Offline
Junior Member

Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 71
Originally Posted By: Top Gun
.

I'm getting back in as well and think this is the what I"m looking at, just need to justify it over the the none PRO.


It looks like I'll also end up getting the PRO. It doesn't look like the folks here really rate the standard version.

Unfortunately Amazon doesn't ship to South Africa unless you order priority courier shipping which costs an arm or leg thanks to rampant theft in our post office.

This means my only alternative is to buy from Amazon through a third party local site which adds a hefty mark up as well.

But enough bellyaching. I'll make a plan. Where there is a will or a way. Now all that is left is to find a way of getting this past the missus' hawk eye.

Last edited by Brendan; 01/10/10 06:18 AM.
#3029737 - 06/12/10 09:46 AM Re: Saitek X52 vs. X52 Pro (And issues with modern X52's) [Re: Brendan]  
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 71
Brendan Offline
Junior Member
Brendan  Offline
Junior Member

Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 71
Since I've just taken delivery of a standard X52 joystick I thought I'd update this.

The good news is that there is absolutely no sign of a deadzone except for a little bit of play in the stick when it is neutral but it is nothing too bad.

The slightly worse news is that the stick feels a little flimsier than I was expecting but that might be due to my expectations being a little high after all the glowing reviews all over the place. Another minor issue is that the stick takes more force to start moving from rest at centre than it does into move generally so you need to teach yourself to overcome that or your first maneuver tends to be overcooked. It also occasionally sticks when you move it to the right (But this seems to be happening less often as the stick loosens up.)

Then there is the issue with the profiles. Creating a new version of the profile file that is not compatibile with older profiles was a terrible move by Saitek. The least they could do is update their site so that the same .dat (The older profile version) profiles are available as .pr0 profiles.

Having said that I'm starting to enjoy flying with it and I'm getting used to it.

Last edited by Brendan; 06/13/10 03:09 PM.
#3030532 - 06/13/10 04:33 PM Re: Saitek X52 vs. X52 Pro (And issues with modern X52's) [Re: Brendan]  
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 17,619
SkateZilla Offline
Skate Zilla Graphics
SkateZilla  Offline
Skate Zilla Graphics
Veteran

Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 17,619
Virginia Beach, VA
My X52 has been going strong and has been abused for the last year,

my only issue isnt one of Manufacturing, but one of neglect, i left my throttle on my desk when I was doing construction in my old room and some dry wall got into the Fire E Button so now it sticks.

only issue i have other than that is the driver/software install combo.


HAF922, Corsair RM850, ASRock Fata1ity 990FX Pro,
Modified Corsair H100, AMD FX8350 @ 5.31GHz, 16GB G.SKILL@DDR2133,
2x R7970 Lightnings, +1 HD7950 @ 1.1/6.0GHz, Creative XFi Fata1ity Platinum Champ.,
3x ASUS VS248HP + Hanns�G HZ201HPB + Acer AL2002 (5760x1080+1600x900+1680x1050), Oculus Rift CV
CH Fighterstick, Pro Throt., Pro Pedals, TM Warthog & MFDs, Fanatec CSR Wheel/Shifter, Elite Pedals
Intensity Pro 10-Bit, TrackIR 4 Pro, WD Black 1.5TB, WD Black 640GB, Samsung 850 500GB, My Book 4TB
#3030586 - 06/13/10 06:21 PM Re: Saitek X52 vs. X52 Pro (And issues with modern X52's) [Re: SkateZilla]  
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 22,177
Dart Offline
Measured in Llamathrusts
Dart  Offline
Measured in Llamathrusts
Lifer

Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 22,177
Alabaster, AL USA
Some guy wrote a review comparing the two:

http://www.simhq.com/_technology2/technology_104d.html


The opinions of this poster are largely based on facts and portray a possible version of the actual events.

More dumb stuff at http://www.darts-page.com

From Laser:
"The forum is the place where combat (real time) flight simulator fans come to play turn based strategy combat."
#3030605 - 06/13/10 07:15 PM Re: Saitek X52 vs. X52 Pro (And issues with modern X52's) [Re: Dart]  
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 71
Brendan Offline
Junior Member
Brendan  Offline
Junior Member

Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 71
Originally Posted By: Dart
Some guy wrote a review comparing the two:

http://www.simhq.com/_technology2/technology_104d.html


And it's not too shabby. My main concern was the deadzone but it looks like they have rectified it. The stick feels really responsive. The control panel now allows the standard X52 to use the full slider for the LED's.

My worries about it being flimsy are also unfounded. I'm getting used to it and it doesn't feel too bad in the heat of a dogfight. I'm sure that if I'd started with a PRO I'd probably be more critical about it.

One more thing : All the publications that wrote reviews about both the standard and PRO models were pretty two-faced about it. Without exception the original standard X52 reviews were all punting it as the best thing sinced sliced bread, none of them listing any really significant negatives. Then the PRO came out and suddenly the standard X52 was a hunk of crap riddled with issues and the PRO was now the mutts nuts. It's pretty confusing for the consumer which is why I thought it was worth writing a follow up post about.

Last edited by Brendan; 06/13/10 07:47 PM.
#3030640 - 06/13/10 08:28 PM Re: Saitek X52 vs. X52 Pro (And issues with modern X52's) [Re: Brendan]  
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 22,177
Dart Offline
Measured in Llamathrusts
Dart  Offline
Measured in Llamathrusts
Lifer

Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 22,177
Alabaster, AL USA
The truth is that within the Saitek line, the X52 was an improvement over the X45.

I just read my review of the X52 (original) and it's funny that is how I pretty much wrote it up - as the next in the series. And the weirdness of having to adjust the Y axis on the back end for IL-2 - it seems the "throw" was larger in the X52 than the X45.

If they hadn't of screwed up the progression with the stupid force sensing stuff, I'd probably be writing a review of the X65 with an emphasis over how it is different from the X52Pro.


The opinions of this poster are largely based on facts and portray a possible version of the actual events.

More dumb stuff at http://www.darts-page.com

From Laser:
"The forum is the place where combat (real time) flight simulator fans come to play turn based strategy combat."

Moderated by  RacerGT 

Quick Search
Recent Articles
Support SimHQ

If you shop on Amazon use this Amazon link to support SimHQ
.
Social


Recent Topics
Joke: The Scotch Expert
by Bill_Grant. 04/28/17 01:41 PM
Ironman is real, and he's British
by DM. 04/28/17 08:22 AM
Mt Monadnock NH, 23 April 2017 (PIC HEAVY)
by NH2112. 04/27/17 10:08 PM
Lose some birds, Weasel?
by NH2112. 04/27/17 05:12 PM
Finchner to direct WWZ2
by DM. 04/27/17 03:05 PM
Joke: I'm feeling philisophical today...
by Bill_Grant. 04/27/17 01:48 PM
DVD/Bluray question
by PanzerMeyer. 04/27/17 12:57 PM
COD:WWII
by Bib4Tuna. 04/26/17 09:17 PM
Getting my mojo back
by MarkG. 04/26/17 03:19 PM
Copyright 1997-2016, SimHQ Inc. All Rights Reserved.

Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.0