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#2911412 - 12/01/09 11:01 PM Re: i5 750 is best bang for buck and you don't need the expensive i7 920 [Re: flyboy77]  
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Originally Posted By: flyboy77
From what I have heard,the i5 is limited with the 1156 socket.I have not heard of any prossessors that will use that socket in the future.


???

i5 750 and i7860/870 are the same socket and is the latest architecture. It's 920 that uses the older defunct socket unless they plan to flip flop. Doesn't matter as they always change the socket on new architecture so I don't think about what CPU I can upgrade to down the road, I just buy the mb that supports the cpu at the same time. It's been that way for years now. The 1156 socket is no reason not to buy i5/i7. Wikipedia says otherwise about future of 1156 anyway.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socket_1156

More Intel processors are expected to be released for LGA 1156 under the Pentium, Core i3, Core i5, Core i7, and Xeon brands. Both dual-core and quad-core processors will be released.


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#2911580 - 12/02/09 05:37 AM Re: i5 750 is best bang for buck and you don't need the expensive i7 920 [Re: Ziprick]  
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Ziprick,

I choose almost the same upgrade for the exact reason (best-bang-for-buck). I was going to stay with AMD but Intel actually beat AMD in the pricing game this time around.

BTW, Noctua NH-U12P SE2 HSF you can have for a little cheaper ($67) if you price match. Just search shopbot, pricecanada, or pricebat.


OK, next time I will do that but it was the same price at both newegg.ca and ncix.com and those are the only two online companies for Canada I really trust and know are reliable. If you know of other reliable online stores for hardware that are just as good then please post them.


NCIX accepts price match from any canadian online store (including newegg.ca). The only online computer store I trust is NCIX.
Anyway, I just got my ram today. I am building as I type...The cpu HSF is heavy, and the 2 fans are heavier than normal fan too, I wonder if the motherboard will hold biggrin

#2911631 - 12/02/09 10:45 AM Re: i5 750 is best bang for buck and you don't need the expensive i7 920 [Re: mucat]  
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Yes, I know about price match but I can't be bothered to go through the hassle and I doubt they will price match me on something like beyerdynamic DT990pro headphones that I know I can get at L&M online for only $220.00 and NCIX wants close to $400.00 for. OK, just checked NCIX and they don't sell DT990pro anymore but they sell DT990 consumer edition which use exact same drivers and they want
$429.99. They are not going to give me $200.00 off no matter if i do show them an ad proving it. NCIX premium headphone prices are very bad and would never buy such a product from them.

Why don't you trust newegg.ca? They are very reliable and I like using them better than NCIX now. Plus you only pay GST and no PST from newegg.ca because most products they sell ship from the U.S. New monitor I have is coming shipped from Ontario though so have to pay PST and GST on that.

Yes, the Noctua is a big sucker but using both fans is optional and you can just use one if you prefer. I use both but I have quite a big case.


The price of doing the same old thing is far higher than the price of change.

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#2911721 - 12/02/09 02:34 PM Re: i5 750 is best bang for buck and you don't need the expensive i7 920 [Re: Ziprick]  
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No multi-threading might hurt the i5-750's performance down the road, especially with the dx11 games.


Maybe but Legion Hardware came to the conclusion that for gamers it is a non issue when they did their OC article on i5 750. I can always change my CPU to i7 later if what you say proves to be true because i5 and i7 use the same socket. It is the i7 90 that uses a different socket and is probably a dead end road.


Not exactly dead end, the i7-920 has almost the same performance as the i7-860, a bit more cheap, cpu wise at least cause the x58 motheboards continue to be more expensive than the p55, and also the gulftown will use the 1366 socket, and the x58 chipset.

That said, probably the i5-750 is the best bang for your money.

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#2911757 - 12/02/09 03:15 PM Re: i5 750 is best bang for buck and you don't need the expensive i7 920 [Re: Ziprick]  
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Originally Posted By: Ziprick
Originally Posted By: flyboy77
From what I have heard,the i5 is limited with the 1156 socket.I have not heard of any prossessors that will use that socket in the future.


???

i5 750 and i7860/870 are the same socket and is the latest architecture. It's 920 that uses the older defunct socket unless they plan to flip flop. Doesn't matter as they always change the socket on new architecture so I don't think about what CPU I can upgrade to down the road, I just buy the mb that supports the cpu at the same time. It's been that way for years now. The 1156 socket is no reason not to buy i5/i7. Wikipedia says otherwise about future of 1156 anyway.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socket_1156

More Intel processors are expected to be released for LGA 1156 under the Pentium, Core i3, Core i5, Core i7, and Xeon brands. Both dual-core and quad-core processors will be released.


The i7 920 uses LGA 1366, which is hardly defunct. The i9 (Gulftown, 6 cores, 12 threads) is coming soon, in LGA 1366. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Core_i9#Core_i9

Perhaps you were thinking of the LGA 775?

#2912147 - 12/03/09 01:33 AM Re: i5 750 is best bang for buck and you don't need the expensive i7 920 [Re: RSColonel_131st]  
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Originally Posted By: RSColonel_131st
For someone who has no desire to OC, the i7-860 is definitely better performance/value than the i5 and better performance/value than the i7-920.

If you only do gaming (as it seems from your postings) then an OCed CPU is certainly a good way to save some money, but if you must have a reliable system to get work done and can't afford outtages, I'd be more than hesitant to try such large OCs.


does buying a i7-920 (with the DO stepping)for $200.00 count? Micro Center sells them at that price all day (but I think it's in-store only). That plus an ASRock X58 Extreme mobo for $169.00 from Newegg seems a fair value entry price.
Flyby out


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#2912199 - 12/03/09 03:26 AM Re: i5 750 is best bang for buck and you don't need the expensive i7 920 [Re: I_Flyby]  
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Those are good prices for i7 920 but Asrock is Asus budget board brand. When I looked at prices for i7 920 it was $330.00 CAD for CPU and about $250.00 CAD for a decent mb. i5 750 cost $200.00 CAD for CPU and $149.99 CAD for Asus P7P55D LE mb.


The price of doing the same old thing is far higher than the price of change.

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#2912202 - 12/03/09 03:29 AM Re: i5 750 is best bang for buck and you don't need the expensive i7 920 [Re: CyBerkut]  
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Originally Posted By: CyBerkut


The i7 920 uses LGA 1366, which is hardly defunct. The i9 (Gulftown, 6 cores, 12 threads) is coming soon, in LGA 1366. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Core_i9#Core_i9

Perhaps you were thinking of the LGA 775?


Ok, but neither is 1156 defunct which is what I was responding to. I wasn't sure what Intel's plans were for 1366 and thought maybe they were phasing them out and going to some new socket once again for the 6 core CPUs.


The price of doing the same old thing is far higher than the price of change.

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#2912374 - 12/03/09 12:21 PM Re: i5 750 is best bang for buck and you don't need the expensive i7 920 [Re: Ziprick]  
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Originally Posted By: Ziprick
Those are good prices for i7 920 but Asrock is Asus budget board brand. When I looked at prices for i7 920 it was $330.00 CAD for CPU and about $250.00 CAD for a decent mb. i5 750 cost $200.00 CAD for CPU and $149.99 CAD for Asus P7P55D LE mb.

yes the ASRock is a budget board, but check out the reviews online, and you'll find it to be a capable performer that supports 24gb of ram, and overclocks decently. What makes this board seem like a good buy to me are the positive reviews of it from people who bought it (from Newegg). here's the Newegg link to that board: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157163&Tpk=asrock%20x58%20extreme It seems to review as well as other boards for it to be a "budget" board (not that there's anything wrong with that!! biggrin )
Here's a comparison review from Tom's Hardware: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/cheap-x58-motherboard,2368.html
There are better-performing boards in that review, but they are not better by much, and Tom's awards the ASRock with a "best buy". Those are all "budget" boards
Flyby out
PS I think the i5-750 is a great CPU for gaming. read this article. I think you'll be convinced. wink almost makes me regret buying the -920.
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2009/09/07/intel_lynnfield_core_i5_i7_processors/1
read owner reviews at Newegg here: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...5-215-_-Product

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#2912443 - 12/03/09 02:21 PM Re: i5 750 is best bang for buck and you don't need the expensive i7 920 [Re: I_Flyby]  
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I have nothing against ASRock, but I would spend the extra cash and get a ASUS or Gigabyte board.


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#2912518 - 12/03/09 03:57 PM Re: i5 750 is best bang for buck and you don't need the expensive i7 920 [Re: speedbump]  
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I hear ya! WinkNGrin Actually Gigabyte (the UD3R) is my second choice.
Flyby out


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#2912705 - 12/03/09 08:29 PM Re: i5 750 is best bang for buck and you don't need the expensive i7 920 [Re: Ziprick]  
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Originally Posted By: Ziprick
Yes, I know about price match but I can't be bothered to go through the hassle and I doubt they will price match me on something like beyerdynamic DT990pro headphones that I know I can get at L&M online for only $220.00 and NCIX wants close to $400.00 for. OK, just checked NCIX and they don't sell DT990pro anymore but they sell DT990 consumer edition which use exact same drivers and they want
$429.99. They are not going to give me $200.00 off no matter if i do show them an ad proving it. NCIX premium headphone prices are very bad and would never buy such a product from them.

Why don't you trust newegg.ca? They are very reliable and I like using them better than NCIX now. Plus you only pay GST and no PST from newegg.ca because most products they sell ship from the U.S. New monitor I have is coming shipped from Ontario though so have to pay PST and GST on that.

Yes, the Noctua is a big sucker but using both fans is optional and you can just use one if you prefer. I use both but I have quite a big case.


Never hurt to try price match. Once I tried to price match a CD/DVD folder at NCIX and got rejected. This time I order all my pc components and try price match the CD/DVD folder again, and all price match accepted.

It is not newegg.ca is bad, it is the UPS guy at my area is kind of unreliable. Sometimes he doesn't deliver for days, and once he deliver my package to the wrong house.

I have overclocked my i5-750 to 3.1GHz with default voltage, very impressive. I heard it can go 3.6GHz with default voltage. I am debating should I overclock the cpu or should I let the cpu handle this itself (using turbo). What's the pros and cons of either ways?

#2912770 - 12/03/09 10:03 PM Re: i5 750 is best bang for buck and you don't need the expensive i7 920 [Re: mucat]  
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Well, it seems I had to back off my OC to 3.8ghz because I bought Call of Juarez:BiB off steam and it was giving me random freeze and then CTD so need to make sure it is not caused my too high of an OC.
I think it may be though because after dropping down to 3.8GHZ I played for a while with no issue.

Using turbo at stock settings your cpu should hit 3.2ghz (mine did), it should also raise and lower voltage as needed if you have voltage set to auto. Which heatsink are you using on the CPU? If it is the Noctua like I have I would shoot for at at least 3.8GHZ and set powermangement to balanced in Vista/Win7 then it will downclock and overclcock and raise/lower voltages as needed. That way it runs cool most of the time and only OC when you need it. Which mb you have? If it is Asus then install ProbeII so you can monitor temps and volatages. Also install CPU-Z so you can see what is going on with the CPU and finally install Furmark and run stress test with ProbeII and CPU-Z open. Then you can see temps and volts rise and also see temps on video card all at the same time. CPU-Z shows speed vid card is running too and not just CPU. Maybe you know all this but I don't know if you do or not.

If you want your CPU to always run at max speed then you still use the same method but set power management to High Speed setting.


The price of doing the same old thing is far higher than the price of change.

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