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#2904564 - 11/19/09 06:48 PM $350K Lexus...
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Now I have seen it all...

Lexus will debut at SEMA, it's new LFA supercar. The LFA is a beast of a machine, and quite beautiful, but it is no Ferarri in my book.

Cost: Starts at $350,000USD or 37,500,000YEN.

I'd rather have a 458 Italia.

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#2904579 - 11/19/09 07:07 PM Re: $350K Lexus... [Re: Skater]
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Probably has an 8-speed transmission, and parks itself. HA
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#2904580 - 11/19/09 07:08 PM Re: $350K Lexus... [Re: Bill_Grant]
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i'm guessing that was sarcasm but for anyone who doesn't know, new lexus top of line models DO have an 8 speed transmissions and it DO park themselves!

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#2904707 - 11/20/09 03:30 AM Re: $350K Lexus... [Re: VF9_Longbow]
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Fugly plastic car. It has no SOUL! Nor do any of the new Ferraris, for that matter. Nowadays I'd rather take a Maserati Quattroporte for a family car, and an Aston for fun smile If I was to have a Ferrari it would be one from the 60s or 70s, when cars didn't have to have engineered exhaust pipes to sound good, they were just built that way.
I mean, I don't see how it is possible to like the way an F360 or F430 sounds, compared to this: Just listen to that music as the revs build up.

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#2904708 - 11/20/09 03:38 AM Re: $350K Lexus... [Re: semmern]
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Why do so many sporty driver's cars come in automatic? If I'm driving some kind of GT car that's meant to cruise twisty roads in I wanna be able to shift myself.

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#2904709 - 11/20/09 03:39 AM Re: $350K Lexus... [Re: semmern]
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Thanks Semmern, no the hairs on my neck are just stitching up in the air biggrin
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#2904724 - 11/20/09 04:41 AM Re: $350K Lexus... [Re: tomcat]
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Why do so many sporty driver's cars come in automatic? If I'm driving some kind of GT car that's meant to cruise twisty roads in I wanna be able to shift myself.


couple of reasons, but first, a point of clarification: most sporty cars have autos today, while most sports cars/supercars/exotics have sequential semi-autos, these are basically stickshift manual transmissions where the stick and clutch are moved using Mechanical means, all kicked off by the driver hitting a paddle to either upshif or down:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semi-automatic_transmission

Why? Because increasingly this is the only optioN being chosen by the people actually buying them! I guess they like not risking a missed shift wrecking the tranny, having the shifts be smoother and much faster, and perfect downshifting in a heartbeat. There is far more traffic on the roads today than even 5-10-15 years ago, and stickshifts just SUCK ROYALY in clogged traffic. Similarly, the buyers may no longer have as much free time to devote to a new cars shifting quirks, this bypasses the need for additional skill. But even these new ones, the driver selects the new gear, and when themselves.
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#2904747 - 11/20/09 05:12 AM Re: $350K Lexus... [Re: Rick.50cal]
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I'm sorry to disagree partially Semmern... I mean, I LOVE old Ferarri's, but this car is just BEAUTIFUL...

[img]http://kkwu.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/ferrari-458-italia-1.jpg?w=497&h=297[/img]

[img]http://kkwu.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/ferrari-458-italia-2.jpg?w=497&h=297[/img]


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#2904759 - 11/20/09 05:32 AM Re: $350K Lexus... [Re: Rick.50cal]
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Originally Posted By: Rick.50cal
Originally Posted By: tomcat
Why do so many sporty driver's cars come in automatic? If I'm driving some kind of GT car that's meant to cruise twisty roads in I wanna be able to shift myself.


couple of reasons, but first, a point of clarification: most sporty cars have autos today...
Why? Because increasingly this is the only optioN being chosen by the people actually buying them! I guess they like not risking a missed shift wrecking the tranny, having the shifts be smoother and much faster, and perfect downshifting in a heartbeat.


In other words, DRIVERS aren't buying these cars any more, but rather, people with money who should still nonetheless be in minivans because it's about all they're capable of handling.

And having driven mainly manuals for the last 20 years, I really don't see what's so bad about them when in traffic. Traffic stops, you stop, with tranny in neutral and foot on brake. Traffic moves, you push clutch pedal in, put tranny in 1st or 2nd, and go like everyone else. Shifting into a higher gear is rarely necessary, even a pickup will do 20mph in 2nd gear without over-revving the engine. If you go faster than 20mph it's not clogged traffic.
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#2905292 - 11/20/09 09:13 PM Re: $350K Lexus... [Re: NH2112]
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semi autos are faster than standard transmissions, simple as that. a paddleshift car can get through the gears faster than a stick shift can do the same thing. virtualy all modern sports cars use paddleshift if ultimate performance is their goal.

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