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#2902519 - 11/17/09 04:29 AM
Re: Man,,am I having a flash back?
[Re: Ming_EAF19]
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Some of you people crack me up...
I once bought a new video card (VESA, tells you how long I been around). Anyway, the (very sparse) documentation that came with the unit indicated that (get this, now) if I installed their video card and had problems - assuming my computer was working normally otherwise - that I should uninstall every other card in my computer...
...I mean, it can't be the card I just installed in a machine that works otherwise, right...?
Manufacturers trying to blame someone else for their problems amaze me at how far they can go.
I'll tell you what - given the "I'll bet ya..." posts in this thread - here's my bet to ANY taker:
If someone can prove to me this is a hardware problem with the OP's video card, then I'll pay that person the aforementioned $100 PLUS I'll buy the OP's video card for a fair market price. Why? Because:
- I've seen 1000 greenies fall for this, I'm sure some of their so-called "troubleshooting" steps were skipped in arriving at the conclusion they did - I know hardware gets blamed all the time when it isn't at fault nearly as much as screwed up software - I am reasonably sure that the OP's hardware probably isn't bad.
That's why. And I'm prepared to put my money where my mouth is.
Takers?
Didn't think so. That oughtta cover that. Anyone want to actually (logically) troubleshoot something here, lemme know. Otherwise, leave it to a pro, will ya?
G'day, gents.
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#2902542 - 11/17/09 05:32 AM
Re: Man,,am I having a flash back?
[Re: KnowBreaks]
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#2902594 - 11/17/09 06:56 AM
Re: Man,,am I having a flash back?
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Warbirds - You seem to be the only one with this issue at the moment. Nope. I've had it since day one and have posted about it several times. Examples:   I get the usual "overheating" advice but all temps are fine. All drivers up to date, etc. Every other sim and program runs flawlessly and as smoothly as oiled glass. My comp dislikes something about ROF and/or ROF dislikes something about my computer. I've not tried the alt-tab advice so I'll give that a shot the next time this happens.
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#2902650 - 11/17/09 08:02 AM
Re: Man,,am I having a flash back?
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We had a similar thread over at the RoF forum. The guys from Neoqb already stated, that RoF has a problem with DX9 and it's integration of the SLI feature. Only "fix" is to disable SLI in the NVidia control panel. I can fly without any glitches ever since. They plan to support DX11 in a couple of months and that will probably fix the whole issue. Still wonder why other game developers can fully support SLI and DX9 without any problems, but these ladies from Neoqb can't and have to thumble for months to get DX11 support. And only god knows if the future DX11 support wont introduce new problems and glitches.
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#2902703 - 11/17/09 08:37 AM
Re: Man,,am I having a flash back?
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It is absolutely, positively, YOUR HARDWARE. It is NOT a problem with the sim software.
That was made clear to me many weeks ago when I posted a couple of psychodelic RoF screen caps from my system.
Of course, the graphics issues only appear in RoF, while all other games and apps run fine.
And, like you, I was advised of everything I need to install, un-install, or re-install.
If only I'd have been smart enough to look for the labels on my system hardware that say, "Works for everything except Rise of Flight."
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#2902738 - 11/17/09 09:08 AM
Re: Man,,am I having a flash back?
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To all that say SLI is the problem,,I disabled SLI from the start as one of the test and it still happened.
To the guys that always say it's your stuff thats wacked,,it's heat,,it's drivers,,it's anything but the developers,,,thanks but assuming that it is my fault is getting annoying.
To the guys that posted their findings thanks and we know who's fault it really is.
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#2902781 - 11/17/09 09:53 AM
Re: Man,,am I having a flash back?
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Hmmm, the only other thing I can think of is to re-install so that the DirectX drivers that came with it are the ones your system is using.
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#2902887 - 11/17/09 12:46 PM
Re: Man,,am I having a flash back?
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Right Warbirds! It's not the hardware! That would mean that alot of people had faulty hardware. #%&*$#! Neoqb admitted that the problem is on their end and that's what we'd already thought!
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#2902901 - 11/17/09 01:00 PM
Re: Man,,am I having a flash back?
[Re: Dart]
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I posted earlier on this problem which I've had from day one. There is a work around which is to PAUSE the game, ALT ESC to minimize and then click the game tab in the bottom bar to restore and everything usually runs fine for the rest of your playing session. I realize this is not the answer to what the problem actually is but it does work and may help shed some light on the causes. Doing this tells me that there is no problem with Graphics drivers or Overheating as I have tried numerous drivers and checked my card temps.. but there is one strange side effect to using this method which is that the Map no longer appears when pressing the M button. You have to right click and select to bring it up. Maybe this is a clue to the problem. Ohh..and ALT ESCing whilst using this method playing online usually results in becoming a lawn dart because of the lack of pause.
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#2902932 - 11/17/09 01:37 PM
Re: Man,,am I having a flash back?
[Re: Warbirds]
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To the guys that always say it's your stuff thats wacked,,it's heat,,it's drivers,,it's anything but the developers,,,thanks but assuming that it is my fault is getting annoying.
QFT I am using a 4870X2 in crossfire with Cat AI on and on a random occasion & for no rhyme or reason also have had glitches. I relaxed on the video OC and thort that fixed it but was wrong. The Alt Esc works for me also to correct the colors and I run a diagnostic while in game and have checked temps when this happens and they are fine. It would not surprise me that it is a Direct 9 quirk. I guess my OS XP64 Pro is a bit long in the tooth now, more reason for me to upgrade.
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