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#2895609 - 11/06/09 04:04 AM Histwar Les Grognards got the boot from Battlefront
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I don´t know if anyone also followed the development of this game but battlefront.com booted the game and is closing any threads regarding this game in their forums, speak of bad blood.

PPl who want to keep track of this game can do it here

Some kind of explanation from battlefront!


Edited by BadKarma1001 (11/06/09 04:09 AM)

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#2896106 - 11/06/09 02:53 PM Re: Histwar Les Grognards got the boot from Battlefront [Re: BadKarma1001]
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Steve and the BF staff save Matt are such douches. They need a permanent attitude adjustment. I don't think they could possibly be a more condescending bunch.

BF should just push the self destruct button. Man it is too bad how far they've fallen in an effort to pursue the clickfest RTS crowd. CM series was so awesome and with new development had so much promise. TOW was the coffin, CMSF was a nail and TOW2 was a nail and now they're pushing themselves into the 6' hole in the ground.


Edited by Airdrop01 (11/06/09 05:45 PM)
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#2896247 - 11/06/09 09:04 PM Re: Histwar Les Grognards got the boot from Battlefront [Re: Airdrop01]
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CMSF is doing just fine, and Normandy is on the way. You are seriously throwing a fit because they closed the forum for a game they are no longer publishing?
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#2896264 - 11/06/09 09:55 PM Re: Histwar Les Grognards got the boot from Battlefront [Re: akdavis]
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No. That's not the point at all. You may like CMSF but I am pretty sure there is a lot of opinion the other way about the map size, changes to wego, removal of functional features like shoot and scoot, etc. But that's not even the point.

Read what BF people write to their customers. If I ran my business like that, or treated customers like that, I'd expect to be unemployed within a few years.

For example, the product is not "cancelled." Steve can't even admit that he used the wrong term and says "well, from our standpoint it is" when called on it. It is so transparent it is laughable.

That is all I'm saying. It's not that they're not publishing it. It is the manner in which they conduct their business over the past 5 or so years.
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#2896467 - 11/07/09 08:57 AM Re: Histwar Les Grognards got the boot from Battlefront [Re: BadKarma1001]
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Originally Posted By: BadKarma1001
I don´t know if anyone also followed the development of this game but battlefront.com booted the game and is closing any threads regarding this game in their forums, speak of bad blood.

PPl who want to keep track of this game can do it here

Some kind of explanation from battlefront!


Yup, poorly handled by BFC imho,ymmv. Tis a shame they nuked all of the good info in the forum!

I can see how they do not want to spend time on having a forum for a game they will no longer publish. But would it have been so difficult for BFC to say sumfink like, "We have dropped HWLG from our lineup. The game is still in development and you can info here: www.xxxxxxxxx.com"

It appears they also got rid of Modern Naval Battles on the same day as HWLG. It could be that BFC is having money problems and cleaning house? Or BFC realized these games are sinkholes and time to cut them loose?

BFC has CMSF (a bit pile of steaming bytes on release...not much better now imho,ymmv) and two modules on the market. Is this there only major title that has been releeased in past 3 or 4 years (not talkin' addon modules)?

I still play CMBB and CMBO today - I really hope to see CM Normandy released!


Edited by Patrocles (11/07/09 08:57 AM)

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#2896489 - 11/07/09 09:32 AM Re: Histwar Les Grognards got the boot from Battlefront [Re: Patrocles]
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Originally Posted By: Patrocles
Originally Posted By: BadKarma1001
I don´t know if anyone also followed the development of this game but battlefront.com booted the game and is closing any threads regarding this game in their forums, speak of bad blood.

PPl who want to keep track of this game can do it here

Some kind of explanation from battlefront!


Yup, poorly handled by BFC imho,ymmv. Tis a shame they nuked all of the good info in the forum!

I can see how they do not want to spend time on having a forum for a game they will no longer publish. But would it have been so difficult for BFC to say sumfink like, "We have dropped HWLG from our lineup. The game is still in development and you can info here: www.xxxxxxxxx.com"

It appears they also got rid of Modern Naval Battles on the same day as HWLG. It could be that BFC is having money problems and cleaning house? Or BFC realized these games are sinkholes and time to cut them loose?

BFC has CMSF (a bit pile of steaming bytes on release...not much better now imho,ymmv) and two modules on the market. Is this there only major title that has been releeased in past 3 or 4 years (not talkin' addon modules)?


Just off the top of my head, Theatre of War 2 and Strategic Command Pacific Theatre are both recent publications, and Empires of Steel is about to be released.
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#2896528 - 11/07/09 10:56 AM Re: Histwar Les Grognards got the boot from Battlefront [Re: akdavis]
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Sorry I meant in-house development. All I can think of is CMSF and that engine is now going on what 4 or 5 years since they started development after release of CMAK (which i still need to buy)?

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#2896960 - 11/08/09 09:26 AM Re: Histwar Les Grognards got the boot from Battlefront [Re: Patrocles]
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http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2009/11/08/histwar-boney-retreats-from-battlefront/#more-20865

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Posted by Tim Stone on November 8th, 2009 at 10:41 am.

Not a good week for Combat Mission creators Battlefront. After waiting donkey’s years for Jean-Michel Mathé to finish his ground-breaking Napoleonic ‘First-Person Commander’ wargame HistWar: Les Grognards, the scamp has jumped ship at the eleventh hour and decided to self-publish. Battlefront are sticking doggedly to a ‘we cancelled because of repeated delays’ line, but the simmering annoyance radiating from their statements suggests subtler shenanigans.

I could puddle the mud with my own ill-informed speculation but, to be honest, you might as well choose your own explanation:

Battlefront Version A – After four years of missed milestones, patient publicity, and sensitive shepherding, Battlefront finally snap, walking away in disgust despite JMM’s assurances that HistWar will be done by Christmas.

Battlefront Version B – After four years of missed milestones, patient publicity, and sensitive shepherding Battlefront finally snap, walking away in disgust after JMM refuses to confirm HistWar will be complete by Christmas.

JMM Version A – With the finish-line in sight, JMM goes back to Battlefront and attempts to renegotiate the original five-year-old deal. Talks founder over the thorny issue of moulah.

JMM Version B – With the finish-line in sight, JMM goes back to Battlefront and attempts to renegotiate the original five-year-old deal. Talks founder over the thorny issue of DRM (Battlefront insist on shackling HistWar with their own eLicense system).

JMM Version C – With the finish-line in sight, JMM goes back to Battlefront and attempts to renegotiate the original five-year-old deal. Talks founder over the thorny issue of retail distribution (Battlefront are no longer able/willing to put HistWar on store shelves)

Stone Version – All is going swimmingly between Battlefront and JMM until, during an all-night drinking session involving both parties, one of the Battlefront crew makes an off-the-cuff remark about Ney’s performance at Quatre Bras. JMM visibly bristles, then demands the comment is retracted. When the BF man refuses, a five-year relationship disintegrates in a chaos of flailing arms and hurled furniture.

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#2897022 - 11/08/09 11:39 AM Re: Histwar Les Grognards got the boot from Battlefront [Re: kramer]
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Oh my...the gossipers among you.

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#2897123 - 11/08/09 03:21 PM Re: Histwar Les Grognards got the boot from Battlefront [Re: enigma6584]
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haha

Put me down for $100 on Battlefront VersionB. BF also canceled Modern Naval Battles on the same day. I think they are tidying up house a bit and get rid of what they see to be nonperformers.


I think someone posted at the general website that JMM stated the rulebook will be available in 2 weeks and a demo will be available in December? i need to look that up...

edit...this was posted at the general:
The agreement between JMM and Battelfront is canceled.

HW: LH Manual will be available November 11 ...
HW: Demonstration of LH will be released before the end of this month ...
HW: LG will pre-order in the (pre order) the first week of December ...
HW: LG will be released before Christmas ...

JMM
" Last edited: Today was 17:13:13 by JMM " posted this on the Histwar forum:
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Edited by Patrocles (11/08/09 03:30 PM)

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