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#2880371 - 10/15/09 11:41 AM Re: Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog Discussion Thread [Re: Nutty]
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Originally Posted By: Nutty87th
Originally Posted By: Jedi Master
I guess the Saitek and Logitech offerings have convinced them it's time to replace the Cougar?


These were in design well before they learned of the Saitek and Logitech offerings. (I know because I was there.) I can't release further details yet as I'm under contract and NDA, but the name pretty much gives it away as to what's coming.

Nutty

Is that so? Sounds like they're taking their time to make sure they get everything right so as to not have a repeat of the early Cougar issues. (Blown throttle pots with firmware flashes, misaligned speedbrake switches, paint problems, cheap metal, cheap pots, etc.)

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#2880432 - 10/15/09 01:10 PM Re: Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog Discussion Thread [Re: NamelessPFG]
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So, new version of Foxy? Or essentially new hardware and the same software? I know CH types like to go on about how their software can do 128 (?) flags per mode but really, has anyone exhausted the Cougar's 48?

How good would it be if the throttle (presumably split) was compatible with the Cougar and available separately? Then I could keep my lovely NXT #094 wink

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#2880448 - 10/15/09 01:37 PM Re: Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog Discussion Thread [Re: KaiserB]
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Nice. Although I was thinking of the Saitek or Logitech to complement my Cougar, now there is a third potential newcommer to think about!

Bit like buses this isn't it. Wait around (for years) for something to come along and then 3 come along at once...!

Good timing with the upcoming DCS A10 sim...


Edited by Magic Man (10/15/09 01:45 PM)

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#2880509 - 10/15/09 03:18 PM Re: Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog Discussion Thread [Re: Magic Man]
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Well, whether they were spurred on by rumors of competitors' offerings or not, there's no doubt the Cougar design is aging. I have an 18000 serial model that I bought 4 years ago, and even then the Cougar wasn't a new design...in other words I can't recall when it came out! smile
However, I will say without reservation I preferred my FLCS/TQS w/digital chips that I'd been using for several years (after I upgraded it from the stock version I'd been using since 1995) to the Cougar, but when I gave up my SB Audigy w/gameport I had no choice but to go USB as the gameport built onto my mobo was utter crap--spikes in every axis multiple times a second. I went with the Cougar for 2 reasons--I could plug in my RCS, and the FLCS digital profiles I'd been using were easily altered to the Cougar so I had minimal downtime over switching to the CH setup. The RCS meant I saved $100 over getting replacement pedals, too.

I need something fast as I'm getting spiking now and lots of irregularities, but I want to see what this Warthog is before I choose.

I take it, James, that the NDA means you can't even tell us when it will be announced, let alone when it will be on the market.



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#2880772 - 10/16/09 03:01 AM Re: Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog Discussion Thread [Re: Jedi Master]
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I have a feeling that, having been singularly disappointed with the G940 (not enough buttons and programming capability and made of...'plastic' *spit*) that this is going to be an immediate purchase...and I bet I've got it in pieces within an hour as well biggrin

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#2880823 - 10/16/09 06:01 AM Re: Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog Discussion Thread [Re: KaiserB]
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Hopefully there are details soon. I'm going to upgrade in the near future, if it sounds like a fight I'll wait a bit longer. If we're teased and strung along I'll make a decision without it. We don't need specifics, but an overall feature list would be nice, many are clamoring for FFB options..

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#2881017 - 10/16/09 10:06 AM Re: Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog Discussion Thread [Re: Jedi Master]
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Originally Posted By: Jedi Master

However, I will say without reservation I preferred my FLCS/TQS w/digital chips that I'd been using for several years (after I upgraded it from the stock version I'd been using since 1995) to the Cougar, but when I gave up my SB Audigy w/gameport I had no choice but to go USB as the gameport built onto my mobo was utter crap--spikes in every axis multiple times a second.


If you still are on Windows XP as I am why do you not just put in your SB Audigy (or get a cheap SB Live) and disable the soundcard in Device Manager and only use the gameport? Thats what I do and I'm still using my old thrusty FLCS/TQS w/digital chips!

Edit: Just wanted to add that there are workarounds to get the gameport working also on Vista even if M$ for some reason decided to make it obsolete! I don't know if the same driver will also work with Windows 7 but if you Google for "Gameport support pack + Daniel Kawakami" you probably will find out. Personally I'm staying with Windows XP Pro until a "must have sim" forces me to update to Windows 7 or above.

/KC



Edited by KeyCat (10/16/09 11:08 AM)
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#2881110 - 10/16/09 12:11 PM Re: Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog Discussion Thread [Re: KeyCat]
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Just saw this and decided to hop on over to Frugalsworld for any gleaning of information...knowing that whatever is over there has already been read over here...anyway that place is down more than a hooker during fleet week.

What is the deal with it.

Back on subject though...isn't an A-10 throttle just like the old style that TM used for the WCS setup years ago?

I still have one of the sets here in a box and I don't think it was ever used.


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#2881730 - 10/17/09 03:15 PM Re: Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog Discussion Thread [Re: Reschke]
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The WCS' appearance was similar, but it was a single axis i.e. not split. I'm guessing this will be based on the A-10C's stick, not until we know more...

As for my Audigy, one, I don't know if I recall where it is smile and two, I don't think I have a free PCI slot! My X Fi and my NIC take 2 of them and my video card blocks a 3rd slot.
I suppose I could try that route, but I wish someone had told me about it 4 years ago before I bought this Cougar!!


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#2882884 - 10/19/09 05:35 PM Re: Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog Discussion Thread [Re: KaiserB]
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Originally Posted By: KaiserB
So, new version of Foxy? Or essentially new hardware and the same software?


New hardware, new software.

Originally Posted By: KaiserB
I know CH types like to go on about how their software can do 128 (?) flags per mode but really, has anyone exhausted the Cougar's 48?


Just add some Cougar MFDs, or GoFlight panels, or RealSimulator hardware etc. if you want more buttons and do away with needing multiple flags to squeeze multiple functions onto one button. wink Much as I used to love squeezing and reading through various users' logical programming, I'm gettin' too old and lazy for it all these days. wink It's easier now for me to press a different button or flick a switch on a panel.


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