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#2896814 - 11/08/09 02:13 AM Re: Pfalz D.IIIa [Re: RocketDog]
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Originally Posted By: RocketDog
Originally Posted By: Pooch
Oh yeah? Well then, why didn't Bruno Stachel like it? Hmmm?


Because the things that make it fun in a flight sim didn't necessarily make it an effective fighter in real life where speed, climb rate and staying alive counted more than good looks, interesting paint jobs and underdog cool.

I think it's the best looking aircraft in the game. The Albatros D.Va is OK, but it's got a big nose.

Cheers,

RD.


Great visibility could come in more handy than performance.

Also, the Pfalz D3 is one tough #%&*$#. I don't know if it really had that reputation.

I will take a little drop in performance to be able to see very well, and also not lose the wings in a dive or from a few stray rounds.
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#2896816 - 11/08/09 02:17 AM Re: Pfalz D.IIIa [Re: RocketDog]
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DIIIa i nice but i think like some others German planes are to easy to fly. In hard turn there is no stall at all. Planes which such thin airfoils have nasty stall charactertisict - when they reach critical AoA lift more violenty drop then in thick airfoils.

The same problem is with DIII and Dva. I hope Neoqb in new patch will fix these problem.

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#2896819 - 11/08/09 02:39 AM Re: Pfalz D.IIIa [Re: Kwiatek]
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I sort of agree, but the Pfalz DIIIa did not have a really thin airfoil such as the SPADs and Pfalz DXII, so in this case handling would have been better near stall:

http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoDisplay.cfm?PhotoName=fig20.jpg&PhotoID=1282

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#2896829 - 11/08/09 04:15 AM Re: Pfalz D.IIIa [Re: Vanderstok]
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Comments from pilots about the Pfalz and Alb often mention heavy controls, the FD7 seems to have been adored by German flyers partly because of how light its controls were.

This contrast of light and heavy isn't something that's easy to convey in a sim I suppose. In general I think the Alb and Pfalz are too good in ROF and the later war aircraft like the D7, Dolphin and Se5 maybe have too little advantage over them.

Maybe with the 1009 patch FM updates in ROF the early released aircraft will have a bit more bite like the Camel and DR1 have.
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#2896903 - 11/08/09 08:04 AM Re: Pfalz D.IIIa [Re: Mogster]
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Uh oh! I think my little joke was actually taken as a serious comment.
Please don't tell me you guys never saw "The Blue Max"!!!
If you are playing RoF, it's required viewing. It says so somewhere in the fine print.
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#2896945 - 11/08/09 08:56 AM Re: Pfalz D.IIIa [Re: Pooch]
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The Pfalz was not the dog that it is made out to be. It is not an all around brilliant plane either. Too slow with relatively poor climb. Great in a dive, good but not great turner, handy without being snappy, very stable gun platform, and tough. I think that Neoqb have it just about right (please, no campaigns to utterly neuter this aircraft).

In a one on one situation if you have an E advantage the Pfalz can be very effective. Great dive - use the E advantage to latch on and then use the stable gun platform to pump bullets into the other guy before he can use his aircraft's advantages.

Once you lose the E advantage, however, the Pfalz cannot get it back. No climb and no level speed. Dive away and go home is your only option.

In a team situation IMHO the Pfalz does better. Using team tactics the stable gun platform and rugged frame allow for good drag and bag tactics.

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#2897062 - 11/08/09 01:08 PM Re: Pfalz D.IIIa [Re: PatrickAWilson]
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From the Pfalz D.III wikipedia entry, yes I know is wiki but the quotes are referenced.

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German pilots variously criticized the Pfalz’s heavy controls, low speed, lack of power, or low rate of climb compared to the Albatros. The D.III slipped in turns, leading to crashes when unwary pilots turned at very low altitudes. Moreover, the Pfalz stalled sharply and spun readily. Recovery from the resulting flat spin was difficult, though some pilots took advantage of this trait to descend quickly or evade enemy aircraft.


This isn't the aircraft we have in game is it? As I've said the FM's of the more recent ROF additions seem to be more detailed than the earlier ones, the DIIIa was one of the first batch of aircraft released irc.

Edit.....

Just reading at the Aerodrome that the DIIIa took 15 mins to reach 10K, the Se5 took what, 6 mins? Although the Alb is a poor climber as well. There seems to be a general lack of info on Pfalz designs on the internet, what there is seems to be quite contradictory.
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#2897333 - 11/09/09 01:07 AM Re: Pfalz D.IIIa [Re: Mogster]
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In another thread (http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/2888198/2.html) there was a response by NeoQB that they mistakenly added the physics model of the Pfalz D12 lower wing to the Pfalz D3 lower wing and that it will be corrected in 1.009. So less speed and less maneuverability I guess for the D3 after the next patch...

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#2897342 - 11/09/09 01:24 AM Re: Pfalz D.IIIa [Re: Dobby]
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Yeh Im looking forward to FM tweaks. That said, despite being a bit broken atm the Pfalz seems "right". The reason I prefer the Albs is that their roll rate (thanks to the mighty rudder) is superior.

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Uh oh! I think my little joke was actually taken as a serious comment.
Please don't tell me you guys never saw "The Blue Max"!!!
If you are playing RoF, it's required viewing. It says so somewhere in the fine print.


If you havent seen the awesome blue max you should put ROF down and go back to playing the "Sims".

Its the best WWI aviation movie I can think of and totally superior to the rather average "The Red Baron".

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#2897368 - 11/09/09 02:51 AM Re: Pfalz D.IIIa [Re: Squid_Von_Torgar]
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I've seen Blue Max, didn't think it was THAT great though.
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