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Thanks Catfish!

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For those interested in Zepps in WWI sims:

http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/2903943/In_the_pursuit_for_a_better_Ze.html#Post2903943

Hello ArgonV,



ok you got me, i will install this WW1 sim asap, which means next weekend. I already downloaded the plane pack from the link you provided, and even if this Zepp (and the AEG G.III?) are not yet in this package there is already reason enough to try it. Does it really work without the SDOE CD, i mean is really all included in this one big exe file ?

You said in the "Screamin' Demons over Europe" engine the objects (planes and such) really moved through the air, so this is the one sim i know that does that, apart from RoF. Failing single cylinders of engines due to damage with modeling their behaviour is also a great concept.

Now to this Zeppelin .. so you constructed a whole inner model for this thing ? I mean before it was "only" necessary to model the outer hull for the model, but now the inner skeleton with girders and all is also present ? It DOES look great, from the damaging views, to the rests on the ground after burning up. I would like to also post this, or some of your screens over at the OFF forum - may i ? Or you should do it ?
The AEG G.III also looks awesome, its interior is also the best i have seen for a long time, not that there are so much bigger WW1 a/c around, in any sim. Many thanks for your work !

Greetings,
Catfish

Hello Catfish!

You are correct in that the current Zepp (With new damage model) and AEG are not in the current release. But a Patch will be coming out soon with these things and many more. It really does work without the CD if you go the All-In-One route. And it's pretty easy to set up.

The failing cylinders are an option the damage model can do. Due to time constraints I have not done this with the WWI kites yet... SDOE is the third generation of sims from Parsoft Interactive that used real physics modeling. The first was A-10 Attack. You may remember that one if you had a Mac. Of course the physics engine in SDOE is much upgraded from that 1995 release as PCs got faster.

The first Zepp L-11 for FS-WWI had an inner frame, but when it was shot down it broke up into sections right away (After exploding) and fell fast. At the time this was the only way I could get it to work correctly without months of R&D (I was on a time constraint). For the past couple of months I have been working on this new damage model where the underlying frame is still sectional but built in such a way that the cells and skin can blow up and leave the frame and left over bits together. Keep in mind due to FPS concerns the frame is a simplified 3d mesh compared to the real thing, but this game engine is ten years old now. I could even make it to where the frame collapses a bit after crashing but that would take even more time (Like three more months of steady work). One other thing I should mention is that this Zepp does not fly like a real Zepp. SDOE never got lighter-than-air support in its patches. But, it can fly really really slow (The "stall" speed is 23-25 mph) and indeed can float in a mission with head wind. The Zepp landing training mission has a 20 mph head wind which just about makes this Zepp float. I did not want to give it a full 25 mph head wind as you need to move forward and land!

I am trying to find pictures of the internal gas bags. I want to model these basic shapes in 3d for the inner Zepp mesh that you see when the canvas blows out (Exploded looking of course). Do you have any basic diagrams?

Feel free to post these and any other screenshots away.

Hi,
no info on L 11`s real giblets and no photos of exploding bags, but there are some nice 3d-modelings of the L 32's gas bags. Not from me, there is some "Alin" who did that, unfortunately i did not find the Flickr site where they usually reside, so i post some of those i downloaded - not my property, don't use it commercially etc. etc.

Anyway i am really thankful to that guy, it is the first time i understood how those damned vent shafts were constructed. But not on the L 11 unfortunately or so i think (venting through the permeable cotton.. anyway the bags looked very much the same. But they were only fully blown when the airship was at its calculated "burst height" - above this altitude the bags would blow off hydrogen gas, and they would shrink again when the ship went down again. In those 3d screens they are shown in "full blown" appearance.














And Hello Alin, if you read this, and do not like that your pictures are shown here, please drop me a line and i will instantly remove them -

Thanks and greetings,
Catfish

This is a short YouTube video I made of the new Zeppelin L-11 damage model:



I feel the results are better shown in a video than screen shots.