#2891211 - 10/30/09 08:37 PM
Re: Camel spin (Dirt knap)
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Standard spin recover (stick forward, throttle back, full opposite rudder) plus into-spin aileron seems to work but takes a few rotations. Only tried it once or twice. The spin is very odd - doesn't seem to get established properly.
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#2891213 - 10/30/09 08:39 PM
Re: Camel spin (Dirt knap)
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Yes. Providing you are high enough of course. Come back on the power, neutralise your rudder, and push the stick all the way forward. I know that doesn't sound right, but I've been doing it over and over... and that's the way to recover, trust me. Actually, surprisingly enough, I find it easier than the others to recover from., after all the scary talk. Oh, and of course, once you come out of the spin, start pulling the nose up and coming back with the power. I figured that was common sense, but you never know.
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#2891215 - 10/30/09 08:41 PM
Re: Camel spin (Dirt knap)
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Ooops, Rocket, ya beat me to it. I was finding that no rudder to recover was working better, though.
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#2891220 - 10/30/09 08:50 PM
Re: Camel spin (Dirt knap)
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I'll try that. Thanks for the tip.
The rudder is so effective, I guess it would be easy to flip into a spin of the opposite rotation as well.
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#2891327 - 10/30/09 11:31 PM
Re: Camel spin (Dirt knap)
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I'll try that. Thanks for the tip.
The rudder is so effective, I guess it would be easy to flip into a spin of the opposite rotation as well.
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RD. That's exactly what can happen with both the Camel and the Dr.1 Gentle on the rudder!
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#2892129 - 11/01/09 01:45 PM
Re: Camel spin (Dirt knap)
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A left hand spin seems to be the very devil to get out of. I've tried the above suggestions, but still find myself waggling the stick and rudder back and forth, this way and that.
I'll have to try and write myself a mission that starts at 15000 feet or so, just to practice spin recovery, climbing to that height time and time again just takes too long. Me too, Damocles, me too! The only problem I have with flying the Camel is spin recovery. I need a lot more practice from altitude although I should start my spins at about 50,000 feet to get enough recovery time...
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#2892195 - 11/01/09 03:41 PM
Re: Camel spin (Dirt knap)
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Nah !! Tried that, sure the spin stops, but that might have more to do with face planting into the French countryside. Differing control reactions might have something to do with the sensitivity settings as I've described in the last paragraph. For left hand spins, the only thing that works for me at the moment seems to be, opposite rudder (go figure) but also stick fully back and to the left. You have to be quick on the rudder though in order to not reverse the spin, but then right hand spins seem easy to recover from by comparison, cut throttle,opposite rudder and stick fully forward. I'm not sure if it's real or imagined ( not enough testing yet) but I get the impression that if I adjust the stick sensitivity (pitch) in the Logitech controller setup from 70% (normal position for me) to 1% then I find it very difficult to spin the Camel, it just flops around before recovering. It would be interesting to get some feedback to see if anyone else has this happen and how, if at all, it effects performance, particularly womenfly2 who knows about flying these types of aircraft and has played around with the pitch sensitivity settings.
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#2895242 - 11/05/09 10:06 PM
Re: Camel spin (Dirt knap)
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The left spin is a killer. I've been flying a lot of Smackdown in the Camel with the new aircraft swapped in, The left flat spin is doing it to me nerarly every time I've tried all the normal sim spin recovery gambits, power off, nose down, rudder into spin. Nothing seems to work.
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#2895317 - 11/05/09 11:50 PM
Re: Camel spin (Dirt knap)
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The left spin is a killer. I've been flying a lot of Smackdown in the Camel with the new aircraft swapped in, The left flat spin is doing it to me nerarly every time I've tried all the normal sim spin recovery gambits, power off, nose down, rudder into spin. Nothing seems to work. Yep,same here! Do we have a smilie for 'Splat!'...??
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#2895320 - 11/05/09 11:55 PM
Re: Camel spin (Dirt knap)
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Nah !! Tried that, sure the spin stops, but that might have more to do with face planting into the French countryside. Differing control reactions might have something to do with the sensitivity settings as I've described in the last paragraph. For left hand spins, the only thing that works for me at the moment seems to be, opposite rudder (go figure) but also stick fully back and to the left. You have to be quick on the rudder though in order to not reverse the spin, but then right hand spins seem easy to recover from by comparison, cut throttle,opposite rudder and stick fully forward.I'm not sure if it's real or imagined ( not enough testing yet) but I get the impression that if I adjust the stick sensitivity (pitch) in the logitech controller setup from 70% (normal position for me) to 1% then I find it very difficult to spin the Camel, it just flops around before recovering. It would be interesting to get some feedback to see if anyone else has this happen and how, if at all, it effects performance, particularly womenfly2 who knows about flying these types of aircraft and has played around with the pitch sensitivity settings. I'll try that, although I think I already have. But, if it works for you, I'll try it again. This spin recovery is the only real problem I'm having with the Camel...besides it's being incredibly sensitive and hard to control above 10,000 ft.
Jimko
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