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#2891881 - 10/31/09 03:48 PM
Re: Camel spin (Dirt knap)
[Re: Damocles]
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I found I can get it out of a right spin no problem, but a left spin is a killer.
Got it in an inverted spin once, that was hopeless.
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#2892077 - 11/01/09 12:55 AM
Re: Camel spin (Dirt knap)
[Re: BlueRaven]
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A left hand spin seems to be the very devil to get out of. I've tried the above suggestions, but still find myself waggling the stick and rudder back and forth, this way and that.
I'll have to try and write myself a mission that starts at 15000 feet or so, just to practice spin recovery, climbing to that height time and time again just takes too long.
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#2892129 - 11/01/09 05:45 AM
Re: Camel spin (Dirt knap)
[Re: Damocles]
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A left hand spin seems to be the very devil to get out of. I've tried the above suggestions, but still find myself waggling the stick and rudder back and forth, this way and that.
I'll have to try and write myself a mission that starts at 15000 feet or so, just to practice spin recovery, climbing to that height time and time again just takes too long. Me too, Damocles, me too! The only problem I have with flying the Camel is spin recovery. I need a lot more practice from altitude although I should start my spins at about 50,000 feet to get enough recovery time... 
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#2892158 - 11/01/09 06:50 AM
Re: Camel spin (Dirt knap)
[Re: Jimko]
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Let go of everything, and weirdly, leaving throttle at fullish power seems to work better than dropping revs.
That's in the very early stages tho. Once it progresses... it gets a bit weird. I'm never quite sure what I'm doing - she either pulls out or she doesn't.
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#2892195 - 11/01/09 07:41 AM
Re: Camel spin (Dirt knap)
[Re: Masaq]
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Nah !! Tried that, sure the spin stops, but that might have more to do with face planting into the French countryside. Differing control reactions might have something to do with the sensitivity settings as I've described in the last paragraph. For left hand spins, the only thing that works for me at the moment seems to be, opposite rudder (go figure) but also stick fully back and to the left. You have to be quick on the rudder though in order to not reverse the spin, but then right hand spins seem easy to recover from by comparison, cut throttle,opposite rudder and stick fully forward. I'm not sure if it's real or imagined ( not enough testing yet) but I get the impression that if I adjust the stick sensitivity (pitch) in the logitech controller setup from 70% (normal position for me) to 1% then I find it very difficult to spin the Camel, it just flops around before recovering. It would be interesting to get some feedback to see if anyone else has this happen and how, if at all, it effects performance, particularly womenfly2 who knows about flying these types of aircraft and has played around with the pitch sensitivity settings.
Edited by Damocles (11/01/09 08:19 AM)
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#2895242 - 11/05/09 02:06 PM
Re: Camel spin (Dirt knap)
[Re: Damocles]
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The left spin is a killer. I've been flying a lot of Smackdown in the Camel with the new aircraft swapped in, The left flat spin is doing it to me nerarly every time  I've tried all the normal sim spin recovery gambits, power off, nose down, rudder into spin. Nothing seems to work.
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#2895257 - 11/05/09 02:15 PM
Re: Camel spin (Dirt knap)
[Re: Mogster]
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Agree with Damocles - an established LH spin requires stick back and left (into spin). Doesn't seem that logical - actually no, it's normal recovery technique in a Tornado!
Oh well, whatever works.
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#2895317 - 11/05/09 03:50 PM
Re: Camel spin (Dirt knap)
[Re: Mogster]
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Loc: Vancouver Island, BC
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The left spin is a killer. I've been flying a lot of Smackdown in the Camel with the new aircraft swapped in, The left flat spin is doing it to me nerarly every time  I've tried all the normal sim spin recovery gambits, power off, nose down, rudder into spin. Nothing seems to work. Yep,same here! Do we have a smilie for 'Splat!'...??
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#2895320 - 11/05/09 03:55 PM
Re: Camel spin (Dirt knap)
[Re: Damocles]
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Nah !! Tried that, sure the spin stops, but that might have more to do with face planting into the French countryside. Differing control reactions might have something to do with the sensitivity settings as I've described in the last paragraph. For left hand spins, the only thing that works for me at the moment seems to be, opposite rudder (go figure) but also stick fully back and to the left. You have to be quick on the rudder though in order to not reverse the spin, but then right hand spins seem easy to recover from by comparison, cut throttle,opposite rudder and stick fully forward.I'm not sure if it's real or imagined ( not enough testing yet) but I get the impression that if I adjust the stick sensitivity (pitch) in the logitech controller setup from 70% (normal position for me) to 1% then I find it very difficult to spin the Camel, it just flops around before recovering. It would be interesting to get some feedback to see if anyone else has this happen and how, if at all, it effects performance, particularly womenfly2 who knows about flying these types of aircraft and has played around with the pitch sensitivity settings. I'll try that, although I think I already have. But, if it works for you, I'll try it again. This spin recovery is the only real problem I'm having with the Camel...besides it's being incredibly sensitive and hard to control above 10,000 ft.
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#2895536 - 11/06/09 12:26 AM
Re: Camel spin (Dirt knap)
[Re: Jimko]
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Yeah, I've found that it takes back stick to get out of the left spin too. Kinda have to snap roll your way out of it I guess. Don't know how realistic that is, but that is the technique that works with what we have now.
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