More salt in the wound from Activision:

Worthplaying shares the disheartening news that Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 Multiplayer Neutered At 9vs9 even on the PC.

Sad sad news.... I swear, if it wasn't for the SP movie experience, and the 2 player co-op... I would cancel... but i can't pass those up... and I'm obligated to review it for SimHQ, (thats what I tell myself, lol.)

Especially after watching this release trailer... no way I can say NO... they could drop MP all together and I would still get it.


http://xboxmovies.teamxbox.com/xbox-360-hires/10822/Modern-Warfare-2-Launch-Trailer-HD/

Yes, the release trailer is great. Saw also some vid`s with a soldier who can direct A-G-Missile strikes via a laptop. That`s cool to. Music from Hans Zimmer... I´m nearly sold.

Next Activision will annouce that Diablo 3 is only coming to the Wii. I think ole Bobby hates PC gamers.

and did i see an outerspace, satellite attack in that trailer. lol...so were astronauts too.

I was watching TV last night and the MW2 logo came up so I turned the channel. Must. avoid. for 5 more days.

I am soooo glad I cancelled my pre-order, I would be real pissed if I had bought that POS and found all this out then. It's funny my PC doesn't have a big green X on it or a Sony logo no matter how hard I look so why do they keep trying to make PC gamers in console players?

If there was a 'giving the finger' smilie it would be here for ya IW ----

Will be doing that this weekend for PC and 360, no way in hell will I support their product...


Maybe we should all get together and have an aerial picture taken that shows just that. Screw 'em.

Arstechnica article rips this game to shreds.

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2009/11/pc-modern-warfare-2-its-much-worse-than-you-thought.ars

"At launch, this will be one of the most locked-down, inflexible, and gamer-unfriendly game ever created."

See you guys in Op Flashpoint. Bugs can be fixed, bad game design is forever. LOL

funny, but if he's talking about OFP DR... then there doing the same thing, bad design and support decisions.

All this and they wanna charge you 60.00 bucks to? Ill pass (pretty game/movie)I cant tell which, its like your input(trigger pulls)are/is an afterthought you gotta give IW credit for a LOT of NERVE

Next up: iD and Rage:

http://kotaku.com/5398270/id-probably-no-dedicated-servers-for-rage

it's also rumored that it won't have widescreen support....WTF are they thinking???

Are you saying MW2 will not have widescreen support? Got a source... because they could kill it for me finally.

Since most of the consoles are hooked up to widescreen TVs they'd have to actually remove widescreen support for that to be true. I'm calling BS.

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2009/11/pc-modern-warfare-2-its-much-worse-than-you-thought.ars

Q: Is there a console in the PC version of the game, so we can change our field of view from the xbox's default 65 FoV to 80 also can we tweaks the weapon damage for each gun, removes perks, graphical debris, breathing sway, also thru console like we where able to before or is this all gone?

Vince-IW: We would like you to play the game the way we designed and balanced it.

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"The lack of console commands is going to be something that may not make the headlines, but may be one of the most annoying omissions to the game. The ability to tweak and adjust your play experience through the console is something PC gamers have enjoyed since... well, since there has been modern gaming."

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"We thought the lack of dedicated servers was bad, but now we can add the lack of console commands, the inability to have a say in who hosts the game, a lengthy pause while the game migrates to a new host if the currently selected host quits, no leaning, no option to record matches, and no way to kick or block trouble players, hackers, or cheaters."

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Of course, all that plus the mowing down of civilians by bad guy terrorists. Talk about bad luck timing.

When should I expect your review Chuck?

it's just a rumor going around...no idea if it's true or not. Basically it sounds like they're locking the FOV @ 65deg so you will have widescreen; but you will have the same FOV (will most likely cut off the top and bottom of what you can see and give no more horizontal view)

http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1012793

consoles = 65 degrees field of vision

PC versions of previous CoDs = 80 degrees field of vision

MW2: consoles + PCs fixed at 65 degrees of vision

Higher the degree of vision the farther back the view is, so you'll be playing closer to the object, the depth of field will be shorter.

Least that's what it sounds like to me. We'll find out in 4 days.

No sale for me. Gimme OPFlash DR any day of the week.

pfunk

Their whole "We would like you to play the game the way we designed and balanced it." is stupid IMO...it should be an OPTION to play how they want it; but customization is what makes good games. That's why I like Arma2 so much is because almost EVERYTHING is customizable; if you don't like something there's either an option or a mod that can change it to more suit your needs.
I just don't get how "locking down" the game benefits anyone

It's basically saying "Play the game how we want; and if you don't like it too f-ing bad and deal with it, because we still got your money anyways!"

Actually... now that I think about it... sure it sucks for you guys who want big servers with 20 vs 20... but one of my biggest complaints with MW1 was that the maps were to small and too many people... a infantry squad is the size of 9 now-a-days (was 12 when I was in)...

So, IMO, smaller teams make for a more slow and tactical experience...compared to the huge numbers causing run and gun play... so IMO, this 9 vs 9 limit might actually make the game better... FOR ME.


Still, options are always nice.

Doesn't look like they give a rats-ass about all this controversy:
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/activision-modern-warfare-pc,9017.html



From the sound of the article I doubt they'll change anything

Probably one of the more rational posts so far on this whole topic. While I love "big" mp games I hate the traditional "shooters" with run and gun gameplay. This may in fact be a good thing to some extent. However, I will stick to Arma 2 if I want a game that is more realistic and to me much more FUN.

I never played in games larger than 6v6 in the first Modern Warfare, the inlcuded maps are too small for anything larger. I can see having larger player counts on the PC though since you could play on community made maps.

COD has always been run an gun I dont see how this changes a thing, not to mention bunnyhoppers IW couldve done somethin about them a loooooooong time ago but chose to cater to the kiddies(now the console crowd)I honestly believe that when this all plays out youre gonna be payin to play online (monthly subscription)they are just leading up to that ever so slowly(no dedicated servers but we will rent you one)

less players... more room for tactics and maneuvering.

sure CoD is a designed run and gun game... but a server ran right can still make the game more tactical and teamwork minded.

all depends on WHO you play with.

I'm waiting until I see it in the bargain bin....

And those that want to play run and gun and not much tactics?

go play with someone else or elsewhere... see...easy.

I pretty much only have time for SP games anymore. So for me based on the the originals SP quality its a shoe in. If I did spend time on Mp the the player limit would be more to my liking.

The boycott is going well

http://steamcommunity.com/groups/BOYCOTTMW2/members

That's fantastic, so much for their boycott.

Now that is the funniest thing I have seen in a while!

how is screwin up someone elses experience good for console gamers?If we dont want to be tied to moronic (and I STRESS MORONIC)console style multiplayer how does that hurt you?Counterman?

Do you even know my position or thoughts on MW2?

You fail to have a sense of humor. Go look at the 'boycott' list of steamIDs again.

Ill pass........ "That's fantastic, so much for their boycott","THEIR" pretty much says it all ,MW has never been my cup of tea for MP(bunnyhoppers/Cheaters out the wazzo)its a twitch/run an gun game(heavy emphasis on GAME for the kiddies) so I dont REALLY care,What twistes my shorts is the Stupidity/happiness the console crowd is getting from IW screwin up the experience for the PC Gamers, NO ONE is gonna benefit from this trend that IW has started either console people or PC people except ACTIVISION/IW ,if I misundertood your intent I apologise

Wow, a bit of an overreaction there. If you hadn't passed and actually went to the link you'd see the Boycot MW2 steam group's (the "their" he was referring to that offended you so much) list of members playing MW2. Some boycot.

Not to mention you get your knickers in a twist over the use of the word their but repeatedly refer to all console gamers as "moronic" and "kiddies". Hypocrite much?

Well it is 'THEIR' boycott, there looks to be 1555 or so people on the boycott list. As Jeevz nicely pointed out, a large percentage of these 'boycotters' are playing MW2 right now! If you can't see the humor in that I am sorry.

I agree with your post about what IW did to the PC version of the game. I actually picked up the game last night since I have 30 dollars in Best Buy Reward Cards. It plays much like the original minus the lean and dedicated server options. Boycotting the game isn't going to get you what you want. Over 70,000 people have been logged into Steam playing MW2, that is a lot of people.

Like it or not the days of Ghost Recon, Rainbow Six, and SWAT4 are over with. Now all games will be cross platform games (for the most part, sims and RTS excluded), someone is going to get the shaft and its going to be PC gamers because of simple economics. They sold millions of copies on the first day only about 10% of those sales were of the PC version.

I HATE what consoles have done to PC gaming. However if I don't learn to enjoy it, I will have a very slim selection of games to pick from.

It's not consoles that did anything to gaming, it's the gamers. People have a choice of pc, console or (better yet) BOTH. The market responds to demand, not the other way around.
I hate what the automatic transmission did to driving. I blame that for being the reason most people can't drive worth a crap. I blame whoever thought leather seats would look good in a truck for the US auto industry going to crap.
Regardless, it's the consumers that are to blame, they tell the manufacturers what to make. In gaming, they said they prefer an emphasis on consoles and a pretty simplistic game. Unfortunate, but don't blame consoles, blame everyone. Might as well blame Solitaire on the pc while you're at it, that's the most played game on pc. Maybe that led to the dumbing down of pc games?
A few of us are smart enough to game on both, you don't actually have to choose one or the other.

While I agree with you on probably 99% of what you say, there is that 1% that just says NO to FPS games on consoles. I own a console, always have since the first Atari way back when. But, I also have owned a PC since as long as PC's were available. What I have always found is that console FPS games just do not play the same as they do on the PC. Even this latest edition in the CoD franshise plays differently on console then on PC. While I do like games on my console, I just can't fathom (right now) ever playing any FPS game there and calling it "good".

I don't know how anyone can say that games like: Ghost Recon: Advanced Warfighter (1 & 2), Rainbow Six: Vegas (1 & 2), CoD4: Modern Warfare, CoD: World at War and/or CoD: Modern Warfare 2 aren't good games because they're on a console. They're all terrific games, IMHO.

I have CoD4 for the 360 and the PC, I also have RB6:Vegas for the 360 and the PC and the only difference in gameplay is the controller. They play virtually identical to each other.

Initially I bought a console because some of my favorite sports games were becoming "console only" releases. I hated playing FPS games on it. It was hard to aim with the controller. But, eventually you get used to it. I generally die more often than I get kills in multiplayer but, heck, I'm OLD so my reflexes aren't what they were when I was a kid. I can deal with it. But, it doesn't mean the games aren't fun and it sure as hell doesn't mean the games aren't "good".

I think a lot of the time the pc vs console discussion is more kb/mouse vs controller. Personal preference either way. I switched to controller a long time ago and now I can barely go kb/mouse for a shooter. Plus, with the Xbox and 360...there's just something so right about pulling a trigger when playing a shooter and getting that little bit of feedback with the rumble built in. After discovering Pinnacle so I can use the same controller on both, I'm just spoiled even if I can't add in the tactile feedback.