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#2894755 - 11/04/09 11:01 PM P51b Multi-skins 4th Fighter Group
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334th Fighter Squadron "A" flight 4th Fighter Group is the first 4 from the multi-skin unit. As you can see, they paid a heavy price versus the Luftwaffe.

P51b 42-106924 QP-L Lt. R.K.Hofer 'Salem Representative' A flight CO. Assigned 9/23/43- KIA 7/2/44)


P51b 43-24841 QP-D Lt. C.G. Howard


P51b 42-106846 Maj. G.E. Montgomery


P51b 43-6898 Maj. H.D. Hively 'Deacon' KIA (shot down by fighters) 6/6/44
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#2894765 - 11/04/09 11:37 PM Re: P51b Multi-skins 4th Fighter Group [Re: iron mike]
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I already love them! yep
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#2894826 - 11/05/09 04:32 AM Re: P51b Multi-skins 4th Fighter Group [Re: Knegel]
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Mikey,

Do you have the version with the R/S issues fixed, 3 position flaps and working canopy?

If not, I can send it to you. It's a straight up replacement for the old model.

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#2894865 - 11/05/09 05:41 AM Re: P51b Multi-skins 4th Fighter Group [Re: Rotton50]
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Originally Posted By: Rotton50
Mikey,

Do you have the version with the R/S issues fixed, 3 position flaps and working canopy?

If not, I can send it to you. It's a straight up replacement for the old model.


Yes! This would make them perfect!
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#2895010 - 11/05/09 09:22 AM Re: P51b Multi-skins 4th Fighter Group [Re: AngleOff]
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Ray, Ray, Ray, I can't seem to win. I pick what I think is the best model and you find a better one. sigh Of course I want the best. yep You know the addy, why isn't it there already? confused It should have been there last night.

BTW, thanks for the imput. I'll remodel the bird for the next post. darts-pony
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#2895016 - 11/05/09 09:28 AM Re: P51b Multi-skins 4th Fighter Group [Re: iron mike]
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Hi Mike,

The red colour seems somewhat intense.
Are your skins for 'Glide' or 'D3D' rendering?

Nice collection mate pilot
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#2895183 - 11/05/09 12:59 PM Re: P51b Multi-skins 4th Fighter Group [Re: Skylark]
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Always check with me Mikey. wave

There's a lot of improvements I've made to other people's work over the years.

That's what I do.

Now if I could just figure out the problem with the P-40 model. ar15

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#2895207 - 11/05/09 01:22 PM Re: P51b Multi-skins 4th Fighter Group [Re: Rotton50]
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Hi Ray.

The problem with the P40 model is the use of -32768 on almost every element. That causes panels to show reversed textures, but no worries, CJ and me are well on the way to having a totally new even more HR P40 Warhawk. wink



I'm rebuilding Kurt's original model without piggybacks, and to correct scale [it was a bit too long], and CJ is making the different nose sections. I already had 2 wings, which were nearly complete, from 2 years ago, which now can be added to this new model.
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#2895256 - 11/05/09 02:15 PM Re: P51b Multi-skins 4th Fighter Group [Re: Skylark]
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Sky, the red is intense but it is supposed to be. I used to think it would be more flat and muted but believe me when I say it is correct. In the 8-bit palette it will tone down a lot.
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#2895647 - 11/06/09 05:36 AM Re: P51b Multi-skins 4th Fighter Group [Re: iron mike]
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Nice malcolm-hooded Ponies, Mike - I like them (not only in the crosshairs biggrin )

The brown camo colour is the common "olive drab" or something else? Just curious because I got used to the more greenish tones...

To Col.Gibbon and CJ:
An interesting P-40 you´re working at - I´m looking forward to the Tomahawk and an improved and revised model for Captain Kurt´s P-40.

And of course thx to Ray´s 3dz improvements - maybe you collect and offer all of them on your Sandbagger-page?

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#2895725 - 11/06/09 07:29 AM Re: P51b Multi-skins 4th Fighter Group [Re: Fran_Zee]
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There was a 'brown drab' paint that was used in 1943-44 and a bit into 1945. It ranged from a coffee-light (cocco) to slightly darker than the one I am using. It was left on the nose of the natural metal birds as an anti-glare color. Almost all of the color prints I've found for the 4th use these shades. The lighter shades are from rapid aging of the paint. Now there will be one greener 'b but the illustration looks like it was patched with a more traditionalk olive drab than painted entirely. Finally, the camo was stripped off of quite a few of the planes left only selective spots like the nose. wave
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#2895897 - 11/06/09 10:09 AM Re: P51b Multi-skins 4th Fighter Group [Re: iron mike]
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Thx for the feedback, Mike - one never learns enough notworthy

...one more colour in the skies over the Reich wink
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#2897226 - 11/08/09 07:30 PM Re: P51b Multi-skins 4th Fighter Group [Re: Fran_Zee]
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The B flight is finished...

P51b 43-71780 QP-Q Lt. M.H. Kolter KIA 5/30/44




P51b 43-6636 QP-N Cpt. N. Megura "Ill Wind" Shot down friendly fire 5/22/44




P51b 43-6819 QP-B Maj. D.W. Beeson "Bee" Shot down 4/5/44 POW




P51b 43-6818 QP-K Lt. J.W. Ayers

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#2897280 - 11/08/09 09:41 PM Re: P51b Multi-skins 4th Fighter Group [Re: iron mike]
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Now thats great!

Congrats Mike!


cheers

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#2897757 - 11/09/09 03:08 PM Re: P51b Multi-skins 4th Fighter Group [Re: Knegel]
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Hi Mike,

Nice - Malcolm canopies included I see. I guess you will do the P51D bubbles next?

Cheers

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#2897763 - 11/09/09 03:13 PM Re: P51b Multi-skins 4th Fighter Group [Re: PeterMBooth]
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#2897798 - 11/09/09 04:18 PM Re: P51b Multi-skins 4th Fighter Group [Re: iron mike]
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Well done Mike, thumbsup winner

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#2897808 - 11/09/09 04:29 PM Re: P51b Multi-skins 4th Fighter Group [Re: MadProf]
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Very Nice Collection of Ponies, Mike thumbsup

Cheers mate pilot
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#2897958 - 11/09/09 09:25 PM Re: P51b Multi-skins 4th Fighter Group [Re: Skylark]
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This is for Fran and anyone else wondering about the bright red on the 4th's P51s.



These photos and notes are from my pre-skining research. I'm a pixel counter ... yep duh
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#2898522 - 11/10/09 06:31 PM Re: P51b Multi-skins 4th Fighter Group [Re: iron mike]
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Well, it certainly is bright red painted on the nose of that Pony....
I don't know why I ever doubted you....notworthy
Great work on the 4thFG. mate thumbsup

Cheers pilot
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#2899213 - 11/11/09 07:23 PM Re: P51b Multi-skins 4th Fighter Group [Re: MadProf]
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"C" flight from 335thFS 4thFG

P51b 43-7172 WD-H Lt.T.E. Lines "Thunder Bird" A/C shotdown 6/6/44 F/O W.Smith Jr at controls KIA


P51b 43-6718 WD-R Capt.J.W. Goodwyn "The Mary A II" for his fiance Mary Alice Green.


P51b 42-106855 WD-Z Lt.R.J. Cooper shot down by Bf109 8/18/44 Les Andelys, France KIA


P51b 42-106464 WD-O Capt A.L. Schlegel 15 total kills shot down 5/7/44 with Lt E.H Shapleigh evaded capture
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#2900007 - 11/13/09 03:35 AM Re: P51b Multi-skins 4th Fighter Group [Re: iron mike]
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So many individual features - gorgeous notworthy
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