334th Fighter Squadron "A" flight 4th Fighter Group is the first 4 from the multi-skin unit. As you can see, they paid a heavy price versus the Luftwaffe.

P51b 42-106924 QP-L Lt. R.K.Hofer 'Salem Representative' A flight CO. Assigned 9/23/43- KIA 7/2/44)


P51b 43-24841 QP-D Lt. C.G. Howard


P51b 42-106846 Maj. G.E. Montgomery


P51b 43-6898 Maj. H.D. Hively 'Deacon' KIA (shot down by fighters) 6/6/44

I already love them!

Mikey,

Do you have the version with the R/S issues fixed, 3 position flaps and working canopy?

If not, I can send it to you. It's a straight up replacement for the old model.

Yes! This would make them perfect!
AO

Ray, Ray, Ray, I can't seem to win. I pick what I think is the best model and you find a better one. Of course I want the best. You know the addy, why isn't it there already? It should have been there last night.

BTW, thanks for the imput. I'll remodel the bird for the next post.

Hi Mike,

The red colour seems somewhat intense.
Are your skins for 'Glide' or 'D3D' rendering?

Nice collection mate
David

Always check with me Mikey.

There's a lot of improvements I've made to other people's work over the years.

That's what I do.

Now if I could just figure out the problem with the P-40 model.

Hi Ray.

The problem with the P40 model is the use of -32768 on almost every element. That causes panels to show reversed textures, but no worries, CJ and me are well on the way to having a totally new even more HR P40 Warhawk.



I'm rebuilding Kurt's original model without piggybacks, and to correct scale [it was a bit too long], and CJ is making the different nose sections. I already had 2 wings, which were nearly complete, from 2 years ago, which now can be added to this new model.

Sky, the red is intense but it is supposed to be. I used to think it would be more flat and muted but believe me when I say it is correct. In the 8-bit palette it will tone down a lot.

Nice malcolm-hooded Ponies, Mike - I like them (not only in the crosshairs )

The brown camo colour is the common "olive drab" or something else? Just curious because I got used to the more greenish tones...

To Col.Gibbon and CJ:
An interesting P-40 you´re working at - I´m looking forward to the Tomahawk and an improved and revised model for Captain Kurt´s P-40.

And of course thx to Ray´s 3dz improvements - maybe you collect and offer all of them on your Sandbagger-page?

There was a 'brown drab' paint that was used in 1943-44 and a bit into 1945. It ranged from a coffee-light (cocco) to slightly darker than the one I am using. It was left on the nose of the natural metal birds as an anti-glare color. Almost all of the color prints I've found for the 4th use these shades. The lighter shades are from rapid aging of the paint. Now there will be one greener 'b but the illustration looks like it was patched with a more traditionalk olive drab than painted entirely. Finally, the camo was stripped off of quite a few of the planes left only selective spots like the nose.

Thx for the feedback, Mike - one never learns enough

...one more colour in the skies over the Reich

The B flight is finished...

P51b 43-71780 QP-Q Lt. M.H. Kolter KIA 5/30/44




P51b 43-6636 QP-N Cpt. N. Megura "Ill Wind" Shot down friendly fire 5/22/44




P51b 43-6819 QP-B Maj. D.W. Beeson "Bee" Shot down 4/5/44 POW




P51b 43-6818 QP-K Lt. J.W. Ayers

Now thats great!

Congrats Mike!




Knegel

Hi Mike,

Nice - Malcolm canopies included I see. I guess you will do the P51D bubbles next?

Cheers

Peter

The 51D is finished and at Talley-ho. http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/2889176/Iron_Works_present_the_4th_Fig.html#Post2889176

Well done Mike,


MadProf

Very Nice Collection of Ponies, Mike

Cheers mate
David

This is for Fran and anyone else wondering about the bright red on the 4th's P51s.



These photos and notes are from my pre-skining research. I'm a pixel counter ...

Well, it certainly is bright red painted on the nose of that Pony....
I don't know why I ever doubted you....
Great work on the 4thFG. mate

Cheers
David

"C" flight from 335thFS 4thFG

P51b 43-7172 WD-H Lt.T.E. Lines "Thunder Bird" A/C shotdown 6/6/44 F/O W.Smith Jr at controls KIA


P51b 43-6718 WD-R Capt.J.W. Goodwyn "The Mary A II" for his fiance Mary Alice Green.


P51b 42-106855 WD-Z Lt.R.J. Cooper shot down by Bf109 8/18/44 Les Andelys, France KIA


P51b 42-106464 WD-O Capt A.L. Schlegel 15 total kills shot down 5/7/44 with Lt E.H Shapleigh evaded capture

So many individual features - gorgeous

336th FS reporting in:

336th FS 4th FG Debden, England 1944

P-51b VF-T 336thFS 43-6913 Capt. D.S. Gentile "Shangri-La"


P-51b VF-P 336thFS 43-6795 Maj. J.T. Godfrey (Gentile's wingman)


P-51b VF-N 336thFS 43-6572 Lt. T.K. McDIll "Little Mac" Shot Down 5/25/44 POW


P-51b VF-D 336thFS 43-6942 Capt. J.W. Higgins "Meiner Kleiner"


Now for the 8-bit Glide ready verson...

Gee, that's a nice 3dz model.

The glide version of the 4thFG had run into a problem with original 3dz model used in the 24-bit unit.




8-bit model after a little help from my friends.









The Glide version of the 4th FG is on its' way.

Lovely work Mike,



looking forward to flying them


cheers,



Pobs

Don't look too cool in Glide Ray.

You have the old problem of reversed textures, because of over use of -32768, which I had to fix for Mike on the P47 model.

It's easy enough to fix, but you need to rebuild the wing to make it RS compliant.

I can't do it, because my right arm is giving me a lot of pain since I trapped the radial nerve in my shoulder, plus all the other things going on here.

Still a good looking model, glide problem or not.

While you were fixing the P-47 did you get a chance to incorporate the 3 position flaps?

Hi Ray.

I only did the deployed flap position. It's easy enough to add in the other two positions with piggybacks, without using -32768.

OK, who's got that fixed version?

Maybe I can squeeze it into my schedule so we can start building an inventory of models that take advantage of the new action codes.

Right now the P-51 is the only one that does.

Have you actually tested the new codes?

Yes, the 3 position flaps works on the P-51.

The divebrakes work on the SBD, A-36, Val and Ju87.

The tailhook works on all the naval planes in SPAW.

Gentlemen, quite a few models were fudged back in the day and weren't fully tested before they were released. Some of these glitches have slid by undetected for years. Since there are two display modes d3d and glide testing shouldn't be that tough. I have glide wrapper installed and test the skins in 3d3 and glide. Most things work fine. The Typhoon and the P51b are first two that have caused major problems. (The Spit Ia was a little bit wonky.)

We will continue to find flawded models, I only hope is that our talented modlers will have the time to fix them. It will take all modlers involved in EAW to resolve the problems and it may involve cooperation between them to get it done.
This Not this

Hi Ray.

I was thinking of the new codes Ralf added to 1.28c. I never got a chance to test any of those codes.


DAMAGE CODES ADDED BY RALF FOR 1.28C

ELEVATOR 157
RUDDER 158
LEFT ALERON 159
RIGHT ALERON 160
OIL LINE 161
FUEL_LINE 162
HYDRAULIC LINE 163
TAIL GUNNER 164
RIGHT WAIST GUNNER 165
LEFT WAIST GUNNER 166
TOP GUNNER 167
BOTTOM GUNNER 168
NOSE GUNNER 169


Hi Mike.

Wonky Spitfire MkIa? Well could be, because I think it was my second or third HR model, and that is like a looooooong time ago.

The problem with most of the so called HR models is they were adapted from the LR models, mostly by just hacking the model into bits, piggybacking lots of elements, and remapping. Back in those days, it was quite a challenge to get a model to work right, even in D3D, let alone Glide!

The trick with Glide, is not to use -32768 on any element, which is linked to a double sided element. Wing tips are a common nasties, and adding things like flaps, which are also double sided flat elements, can only add to the woes. The other problem is the number of elements in a standard wing model can be as few 30, which does not give you much of a chance of adding piggybacks, with a sure chance of success, especially for Glide.

The only real solution is to rebuild the wing in a more logical way, so things like flaps can be built in correctly.



Oh, and I totally agree with your comment, "This Not this "

The Spit IA had the elevators not displaying correctly. I actually used two different models for that plane.

The next 4 are finished, 8 more left to do.

Hey Mike,

get JoinMayhem5 and come online.

Your work is extremr sweet, use it!!

Greetings,

Knegel

yep sweet indeed Mike....
great set of skins m8...

ade

Both the 8 and 24-bit P51b units are on my page a Talley-Ho. Please use them and enjoy.

Mike,
thanks for the work, the skins, and your over-all good-guy'ness!
AO

I will let you fly them, then i use them to burry my bullets.

Thanks in advance!!

Greetings,

Knegel

Thanks AO.

And Ralf, "Pride cometh before the fall..." I'll be watching and waiting mein kinder...

Looking very good IM - nice job, and glad to hear that some of my RS issues have been finally fixed and the model improved. Looking forward to taking these for a spin!

If I may make a tiny critique, you should be able to find a better stencil font for the tail serials. Reall picky I know, but I thought I'd pass it on. Keep up the great work!

Chompy

A couple of days ago Iron Mike asked me to pass on his challenge to Ralf.
A one on one mayhem!

As he made the challenge Iron Mike has reserved the right to set the conditions:

Iron Mike will fly a P51B in his very best skin
Ralf can fly the unarmed glider of his choice!

Crashin' Jack and I are still betting on Ralf!

CJ reckons that Ralf would still win if he only had a parachute, a Luger and two rounds of ammo.


Jel

It will be a duel that inspires many songs and heroic poems. One that will be taught in avation academies for generations to come! (Give me 5 bucks on the German to win, with only one bullet and a hand mirror.) Screenies at 11....