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#2892057 - 11/01/09 01:35 AM Re: HOTAS Logitech G940 ***** [Re: Brett]
BradH Offline
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Registered: 10/14/09
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Originally Posted By: Brett
BradH,

What do you mean abou the constant hover you get because of the throttle. I am a little confused. Just curious because I just got my G940 and am trying to come to terms with it.

Thanks,

Brett


LOL... it was because the throttles wouldn't go to 0% so the helicopter seemed to want to stay in the air forever... anyway have sorted that throttle and brake issue out now so thank you for the feedback!

Also was curious Mark on the delivery times of improvements to drivers...etc. Do you foresee these being released once a month, every second month? Just a curiosity thing that's all.


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#2892603 - 11/02/09 01:25 AM Re: HOTAS Logitech G940 [Re: BradH]
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Guys in AviaForum took a look in G940 "guts".

http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/showthread.php?t=56104&page=12

Stick inside:

http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=100333&d=1256746041
http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=100334&stc=1&d=1256746041
http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=100335&stc=1&d=1256746041
http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=100335&stc=1&d=1256746041
http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=100336&stc=1&d=1256746041
http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=100337&stc=1&d=1256746041

FF motors:

http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=100527&stc=1&d=1256969588
http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=100528&stc=1&d=1256969588
http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=100529&stc=1&d=1256969588
http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=100530&stc=1&d=1256969588

Throttle inside view. Notice the same type of potentiometers used in 3DPRO...

http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=100578&stc=1&d=1257027794
http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=100579&stc=1&d=1257027794
http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=100580&stc=1&d=1257027794
http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=100581&stc=1&d=1257027794
http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=100582&stc=1&d=1257027794
http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=100583&stc=1&d=1257028577
http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=100584&stc=1&d=1257028577

Possible source for backslash - plastic axis for gears:

http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=100540&d=1256976336

Under Precision Tester:

No Power, no FF.

http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=100504&stc=1&d=1256935109
http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=100505&stc=1&d=1256935109
http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=100506&stc=1&d=1256935109

Power, no FF.

http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=100507&stc=1&d=1256935180
http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=100508&stc=1&d=1256935180
http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=100509&stc=1&d=1256935180

Power, FF ON.

http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=100510&stc=1&d=1256935294
http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=100511&stc=1&d=1256935294
http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=100512&stc=1&d=1256935294

Pedal:

http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=100513&stc=1&d=1256935384

To compare, VKB Mk18.

http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=100514&stc=1&d=1256935384

Some things:

The FF is very noise.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJWbiqxyHq8&feature=player_embedded

With proper DB-15(gameport) connector (instead DB-9) you can plug G940 pedals in Cougar...

G940 have only one USB controller - inside joy - appear as tree individual virtual controllers in Windows to overcome Windows Direct Input axis limitation = 8, G940 has 11(?) axis.

For the first time one COTS joystick (mass production) use ball-bearings in gimbal X and Y axis, they have four these.

Sokol1



Edited by Sokol1 (11/02/09 01:30 AM)

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#2892707 - 11/02/09 07:04 AM Re: HOTAS Logitech G940 [Re: Sokol1]
Doomer Offline
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Plastic all the way.

Looks kind of...cheap.

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#2892848 - 11/02/09 11:34 AM Re: HOTAS Logitech G940 [Re: Doomer]
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You shuld see how much plastic there is in real life military equipment smile
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#2892873 - 11/02/09 12:10 PM Re: HOTAS Logitech G940 [Re: JG301_HaJa]
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Yep. I use to joke that the Cougar is more real than the original. The cougar is all metal, the original F16 stick is cast in resin smile

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#2892903 - 11/02/09 12:38 PM Re: HOTAS Logitech G940 [Re: Brandano]
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thumbsup

And as an observation I think I prefer those plastic gears to break rather than burn the engine. Probably cheaper to get one of thos to replace ?!


Edited by JG301_HaJa (11/02/09 12:40 PM)
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#2893097 - 11/02/09 05:12 PM Re: HOTAS Logitech G940 [Re: Sokol1]
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Originally Posted By: Sokol1
G940 have only one USB controller - inside joy - appear as tree individual virtual controllers in Windows to overcome Windows Direct Input axis limitation = 8, G940 has 11(?) axis.
The G940 has 14 axes:
1. Stick left/right
2. Stick up/down
3. Stick trim 1
4. Stick trim 2
5. Stick trim 3
6. Stick HAT left/right
7. Stick HAT up/down
8. Right Throttle
9. Left Throttle
10. Throttle rotary 1
11. Throttle rotary 2
12. Rudder
13. Left toe brake
14. Right toe brake

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#2894090 - 11/04/09 12:59 AM Re: HOTAS Logitech G940 [Re: Joe]
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The G940 stick's gimbals look eerily similar to those of my Strike Force 3D, only it seems to be using a dual-axis Hall sensor or something underneath the gimbals rather than two cheap pots shoddily coupled directly to the gimbals. Guess it's a fairly common design for force-feedback Logitech sticks.

(That makes me wonder-could I retrofit a G940 sensor into my Strike Force 3D somehow? I doubt it, but something needs to be done with it as it is.)

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#2894213 - 11/04/09 09:08 AM Re: HOTAS Logitech G940 [Re: NamelessPFG]
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Quote:

(That makes me wonder-could I retrofit a G940 sensor into my Strike Force 3D somehow? I doubt it, but something needs to be done with it as it is.)


You can use HALL sensor to replace pot in your Force 3D, but not G940 one due space restrictions.

Seems that G940 use Melexis Triaxial Hall Sensor (same used in Tm T.16000M).

http://www.melexis.com/Sensor_ICs_Hall_effect/Triaxis_Hall_ICs/MLX90333_648.aspx

Is more easy use Allegro A1302EUA-T/Honeywell SS495A... and super magnets to replace pot's in stick's gimbal.

A1302EUA-T cost ~ 3.00 U$ in Digikey.

Advise: Is not "drop in", more trial and error (patience and time)...

Sokol1


Edited by Sokol1 (11/04/09 09:18 AM)

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#2899748 - 11/12/09 05:48 PM Re: HOTAS Logitech G940 [Re: peppergomez]
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A few days ago I got a nice big box in the mail from a well known online retailer. I wish I could say it arrived unexpected but truth be told I had been regularly checking the tracking number.

So the other night I replaced my well used and dying Saitek X45 with a matte new G940. I had been using G25 driving pedals as well, but switched those out for the G940 pedals.

Some notes of interest:
Power supply appears to be identical to G25. Same ratings on the back. I switched to the new one anyway, just to be sure.

G940 pedal base is not as deep as the G25, which was good 'cause the G25 pedals had barely fit under my desk. Width is roughly the same, maybe slight wider.

G940 throttle and joystick bases are much deeper and a bit wider than the X45. However I was able to velcro (not included) them right into place where the X45 had been. Tight fit though and more by luck than anything else was I able to get them in there. I have the stick center mounted; since it's deeper it brought the actual stick back towards my chest a bit. I think this might be a good thing for comfort - not sure yet.

Overall build quality seems quite good. I thought I'd wish for metal but it's high quality plastic and the feel is excellent.

Split throttle is nice - easy to use for throttle & prop pitch or collective. All buttons, hats, switches and sliders are easy to get to with average sized hands.
Joystick button layout on the stick is the same, though top left and top right are a stretch for me. Hats are easy to get to though. Thumb trigger on stick is quite nice.
Pedals - well, I've not used any other flying pedals but they seem good. Stance is wide. Big spaces for feet. Tension is adjustable; brakes seem decent.

Connections - 9(?)pin connectors from throttle and pedals and power supply pin enter joystick at the front. I wish they would have tucked them into the base like on the G25. I have had to make sure I don't snag them.

As far as using it goes - well, throttle is great, works as expected, very smooth. Taking me a bit to get used to the pedals but I think that will work out ok.
Joystick inputs are extremely accurate and smooth... which is a plus on every game except Rise of Flight. My IL2 accuracy has improved (from awful to bad). However combine that sensitivity with this stick's short throw (compared to X45) and Rise of Flight gets a lot twitchier.

I'm on the fence about the force feedback. It's a little geary feeling and I don't know that it adds much to my experience. Maybe I will change my mind, leaving it on for a while.

A few issues:
Grouping of P buttons at back of throttle is too uniform. Makes it hard to find buttons by feel. I wish they'd been grouped rather than laid out in a grid.

No 'center' detentes on sliders and wheels! This is pretty much the only real flaw I have found. Makes it impossible to zero out trim by feel and it's hard to do visually as well.

Cord from power supply to stick is just barely long enough for how I have it wired up. Plenty long for a simple setup, but if you have the wires threaded it can be a stretch.

Shows up as 3 seperate controllers to windows, so it's impossible(?) to use the full setup with older titles that only support one controller. I suppose you could use the Trim wheels on the joystick as throttle and rudder though.




Edited by pakfront (11/12/09 07:57 PM)
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