Ummm... Yes?

If the installation of the application on my system isn't working right, doesn't it make sense to base troubleshooting advice on my experience? Offering troubleshooting advice based upon someone else's experience (e.g., "it works on this other machine, so it must be fine") doesn't pass the common sense test.

Patient: "I can't move my arm."

Doctor: "I can only base my advice on my own experience. In my experience, both of my arms work fine. Therefore, yours should be working fine also. Try reinstalling your shirt, or updating your underarm deoderant. What else am I supposed to base my advice on? Your experience?"

Patient: "Umm... Yes?"

Dart, contrary to what you may believe, there are those of us who do actually deal with these things on a professional level. We don't necessarily have to approach a problem from our own personal experience, because we have far more experience dealing with problems of all sorts, on platforms of all sorts.

What's ridiculous is to suggest that it has to be either our own personal experience, or it must be based on heresay and/or someone else's experience. Again, some of us actually deal with things like this for a living.

I'd add that it tends to make one a lot less of the typical "Update your drivers, re-install every-freakin'-thing" crowd, when it's your livelihood and reputation with clients on the line.

And, most of the people that I know who do this for a living know darn good and well exactly what Hedgehog describes. We're not motivated to wear 'rose-colored glasses' where problems like this are concerned, as apparently some are...we're motivated to accurately identify and correct the problem.

Actually, it's more like:

"Doctor, I can't move my arm."
"Well, mine work, and I have a lot of experience in diagnosing other patients with similar problems. Perhaps an Xray is in order. Can you move your fingers?"
"Why are you asking me that?"
"Well, if you can move your fingers its an indication of one thing, it you can't, another."
"You're basing that on your experience! My arm is not your arm! What does moving fingers have to do with a broken arm!"
"It's important to figure out what's going on."
"You're just being ego-centric! What does that have to do with my experience of not being able to move my arm!"



@Fox:



QFT. IMHO, it's slightly better than good.



Who are these people? Where do they post at?

Can I make a blanket statement that some are so intent at poking holes in the sim they can't see any of the good of it? Hint: it's more than "shiney objects."

Patient: "Doctor, I've re-installed my shirt and updated my underarm deodorant, but I still can't move my arm!"

Doctor: "Look. There are 100 other people outside, and all of their arms work perfectly. Since you are apparently the only one with this "arm" thing, it's obviously not a problem."

Hi all. First off, thanks to those posting suggestions and help on this as well as other forums. To cut a long story short, I know there is nothing wrong with my hardware as I received a detailed diagnostics report from "PCspecialistUK" verifying that everything is working as it should....Memory, CPU, GPU the whole shebang....Including the tests done. I would think they would be very rigorous with these tests as me returning it costs them money (they are liable for transit costs under my warranty).

All the same @Ming your advice is sound and cheers . I am also Squad Leader RCAF_FB Orville (If you want to see my ugly mug and break your monitor screen lol I am over on the yellow pages. I fear my bid for Storm of War immortality may be unsuccessful, and here is why http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=10917&page=6 . . Point being, is that there are many Tech Gurus as well as PC technicians in my Squad, and they have given the same sound advice in the past which I always apply first incidence.

The problem in my opinion is ROF's coding and how it implements X2 GPU/SLI (everything else fine). I know you pointed this out as well Ming. The multi-GPU problem has been present from day one (at ROF's release the driver version was 9.6) and no one driver release since has "broke" ROF, the problem has always been present with at least the 4870X2 and apparently others too. Make of that what you will.

Luckily for me, again the problem is easily solved by disabling one GPU and it runs with excellent frame rates anyway, which is why I have previously never complained or mentioned it. This is however scant consolation to those who haven't got this easy solution....I feel for them and believe them when they say there is nothing wrong with their hardware. There most probably isn't. I have always disliked the "I'm alright Jack" attitude (not that it is present here, mostly very helpful peeps). Because all is well on Planet you however does not mean others problems are meaningless or their own fault. Spot the (disillusioned) labour party member, lol

To my mind, it is Neoqb's responsibility to ensure their product works acceptably well with both ATI and Nvidia brands, as both have massive market shares. It is surely at least their responsibility to ensure it works well with the driver versions that were present on initial release. I accept that for many (if not most) it apparently does, but to suppose it is certainly a persons hardware or software config at fault is not the whole picture . Its not a perfect world, and this is why I am patient with Neoqb on this matter as well as others. Everybody makes mistakes, fact of life. I know I do all the time I still think it will come good, that they are working hard to make it better, and in my opinion it most definitely is getting there ...gradually.

Just a few thoughts anyways. Cheers.

Ok,,,installed win 7 64 bit and could not get the game to work at all,,,seems win 7 kinda forgot to install direct x,,,downloaded current x and it works great now,,annnnnnd,,fingers crossed,,seems texture problem solved,,maybe.

Could be ROF needs x 10?

Sooo....it turns out the original guy who started the thread seems to have resolved the problem with - get this - fresh DirectX drivers.

And Win7.

Warbirds could get a gig in one of those Microsoft commercials!

"I just wanted an operating system that ran Rise of Flight without making me think I was on an acid trip. And Microsoft came out with Win7. It was my idea."

Yes and no Dart,,I have updated video driver and direct x trying to fix it just the other day,,what seemed to fix it was a new win 7 install causing me to think maybe better memory management or? The only reason I added direct x was because I got an error in 7 with rof so went through the whole driver, dx stuff again.

XP did not work,,Win 7 works,,go figure.

Ha! That's great thinkin' Dart!



p.s. I still think the Mac vs, PC commercials are tons more entertaining!

Patient: "Look Doc' I've been a guy with arms for 25 years or more and I like to insist I know as much as anyone could possibly know about arms! But I still will refuse to tell you this whole arm thing started back when my girlfriend left me and ran me over with the car for being such a dolt!"

Doctor: "I knew it was user error!"