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#2902327 - 11/16/09 07:10 PM Re: Man,,am I having a flash back? [Re: Tvrdi]
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"This sim has serious issues regarding graphics."
Really. I've never seen anything but gorgeous graphics on my rig, and it's not even top of the line, anymore. Was when I bought it, but we all know how long that lasted!
The majority of people running this sim do not appear to be having graphics problems. As far as the planes flying without wings goes, that wouldn't be considered a graphics problem. That's a coding issue, if I'm not mistaken, although I'm certainly no expert on this type of thing.
It seems to me, that inless everyoone is having the same problem, you really need to look at your system.
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#2902336 - 11/16/09 07:30 PM Re: Man,,am I having a flash back? [Re: fox3]
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Originally Posted By: fox3

And then I see the OP being accused of being the only "ONE" with this problem and please give it a break everyone is tired of this complaining, forget the fact that you want to play a game you can enjoy.


If you're referring to me, I never said to give it a break and I offered my opinions and ideas on how to fix it. I did miss Dash's comments, but it sounds like a rare issue with his setup. I don't see, unless I missed them, dozens or even a half dozen people complaining about this on the forums or in my 777 email. Out of the tens of thousands sold it appears Warbirds and maybe a handful of others have experienced this. My nearly 20+ years of PC game experience tells me there is an odd hardware issue, sure it could be a hardware setting not liking the sim, but it doesn't appear to be a widespread issue. Thats all I meant.

And Tvrdi I was just making sure you weren't within driving distance of me so I could exhaust all options of trying to help you. If you were I'd come to your house and troubleshoot your stutters with you.

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#2902353 - 11/16/09 07:54 PM Re: Man,,am I having a flash back? [Re: 777 Studios - Jason]
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Naw, he was having a shot at me for taking issue with Tvrdi's rant that had absolutely nothing to do with the subject at hand.


Edited by Dart (11/16/09 07:55 PM)
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#2902421 - 11/16/09 10:07 PM Re: Man,,am I having a flash back? [Re: Dart]
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I stand by what I posted. The OP has a problem with his graphics and posts about it with a pic. A few reply trying to help with solutions.

And then come the posts it cannot be the game ... look at all the shiney airframes ... yeah your rig is crap fix it before you dare say there may be a problem with the code and some hardware....

I know for certain others have had artifacts and abnormal graphics. I had an instance where the aerodrome was under 6" of water and I was still able to take off. But lets forget about these anomalies we gots new airframes, oh joy.

Sorry bud I don't fall for glitter. Mebbe it is his hardware and it could prolly well be his overclock or some heat issues... and then mebbe the game is not finished yet and there is a problem with certain hardware combinations. Ya think?

If I had a dog in the chase and stood to gain I would bet $100 it was his hardware also.
I'm just 'sayin.


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#2902431 - 11/16/09 10:42 PM Re: Man,,am I having a flash back? [Re: fox3]
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Warbirds...this thread may be worth reading... http://riseofflight.com/Forum/viewtopic.php?f=58&t=2040&start=70 Disabling SLI worked for me...who knows?


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#2902451 - 11/16/09 11:43 PM Re: Man,,am I having a flash back? [Re: gn728]
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LOL, I'm not going to spar with you over Tvrdi's issues, Fox.

He can fight his own battles!

No code is perfect - well, maybe Hello World - and there's bound to be some hardware/driver/OS configuration (even down to loading order in drivers, which gave me fits with IL-2 when it first came out) when one thinks about PC's.

However, the problem doesn't seem to be widespread, and I'm with you, that looks a lot like a frying video card. I upgraded from my 8800GT's when I started seeing oil slicks in the water textures of IL-2: 1946; the jig was up on one of the cards, so I got a newer, better one and the problem went away.

Heck, I re-installed the DirectX drivers after a Windows update that hosed the ones that shipped with RoF and gave me crap performance. Was that RoF or was it Windows Update? A little of both, probably.

Some problems with the sim are more widespread, like stuttering and the force feedback sticks; they're working on it, and yeah, with every update I hope they don't break the sim for me.
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#2902462 - 11/17/09 12:53 AM Re: Man,,am I having a flash back? [Re: Dart]
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@Dart - I dont have graphic issues in the game..only occasional stutters online and sometimes massive microstutters offline (btw it seams that servers without AI planes are smoother)..so ur right...BUT I said this sim has serious performance and graphic problems on SOME rigs..randomly...and Im sure it has nothing to do with our hardware....you know my story...before 1006 everything was fine, didnt change anything bla bla...so, please, give me that freedom to think they changed something which caused problems for some ppl....

to be on the topic...I saw at ROF website that some ppl have probs with graphics in game...Its not only one guy...

@Jason - I got that, thank you...I would help If I could


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#2902465 - 11/17/09 01:15 AM Re: Man,,am I having a flash back? [Re: Tvrdi]
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Guys, just to "back up" what Warbirds and others have experienced.....Here are some screenies I made a while back.







I am 100% certain theres nothing wrong with my hardware and temperatures are cool as a Cucumber. This only occurs on my rig when both GPUS are active with Catalyst AI. Easily solved, by disabling Catalyst AI. However, I feel I may be "missing out" on the cards potential as I think I read somewhere ROF can use the two GPU's together.

No expert, but it does seem to me to be a result of the coding. I have just had my computer back from servicing, all diagnostics show it is Kosher and in good shape. I should probably post these over at the official site but the layout still gives me a headache lol, and I get decent performance anyway with just the one GPU.

Having said all this, I hear other ATI 4870X2 users say everything is fine with Catalyst AI enabled. I do all the usual things like driver cleaner from Guru3d to make sure there is no driver corruption etc, so its a mystery.
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#2902498 - 11/17/09 03:36 AM Re: Man,,am I having a flash back? [Re: Biggles07]
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No expert, but it does seem to me to be a result of the coding

I am an expert so I'll have a bash as the balloon has apparently gone up and the natives are getting restless.

For now, SLI should be disabled if there's any sign of graphics corruption. SLI/Crossfire mode can be tricky, I've had SLI or Crossfire since Voodoo2 and while it is gorgeous there can be some (eventually solvable) problems

I'm running a 285 Warbirds and your problem looks to be drivers with only a screenshot to go on.

You should use the Driver Cleaner, Driver Sweeper whatever mate and get the latest WHQL drivers, re-install them once you have a machine free of perhaps broken drivers

Start out at absolutely minimum settings in RoF once your graphics card drivers are installed, crank up the goodness only when you have trouble-free rendering. Try running RoF in a window and fullscreen. If this problem is seen at very low graphics settings I would be surprised, this might mean a bad card or broken drivers

The pinkness means that RoF code cannot find the textures it needs. The pinkness is a standard colour, used to indicate to the programmer that textures are not found/broken. Like in Il-2 when we make a skin but get it wrong

How one program can make it seem that the problem is the program:-

Suppose you get a game that uses large amounts of memory for the textures. It uses more memory for the textures because there are more and bigger textures than you're seeing in the other games you're playing

Now suppose that there's a fault in your graphics card hardware, the top end of memory cannot be addressed properly and you see graphics problems like this. How to test this (uncommon) fault...

Substitute another graphics card, use onboard graphics etc. The substitution test. This may give clues by eliminating from suspicion things that might have been going wrong

If I swapped the current violet-textures card for another card and the problem goes away, what can I deduce? Something wrong with the card I took out obviously. Perhaps, but one still has that lingering worry about memory addressing on the suspect card.

Now I- lower RoF settings to bare minimum, I still have the problem
-run applications that stress the card to max the graphics out, still the problem, problem not seen, still the problem back in RoF
-clean out the drivers, (I) re-install the drivers, still the problem
-check that no other program is stealing either system RAM or local RAM (on the graphics card) while RoF is running
-do not run the Mission Editor at the same time as RoF as this is known to cause the 'snow terrain' or other artifacting
-now getting more desperate, (I) swap memory sticks in case one of them is faulty when it comes to be used in big-graphics applications. Memory just sits there normally if not in use: only when it comes to be used do you see a problem
-observe that this does not look like overheating, when I would expect artifacts (odd triangles or squares jittering around, or perhaps a grid-like overlay
-run CPU-ID to monitor CPU and GPU temperatures just in case http://www.cpuid.com/hwmonitor.php
-check D3D is working ok by reinstalling the latest runtime DirectX drivers

Now I re-install RoF. Sometimes the order of installing drivers and applications can affect things. Install graphics card drivers first then a game, problems. Install a game then install drivers, problems can be fixed

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Well why are you asking then Smile2

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#2902513 - 11/17/09 04:19 AM Re: Man,,am I having a flash back? [Re: Ming_EAF19]
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Dash

what you are seeing happens when the mission editor is running at the same time.

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