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#2893557 - 11/03/09 07:30 AM Re: Weight training question [Re: UnderTheRadar]
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No, but I trained like one. Actually, the gym part was only (only?) about half the time. I ran outside and swam in my pool (in the summer). Push ups, I didn't do them every day, just whenever I felt like it, usually at the end of the weight routine. Back then I could do 60 or so and not raise my breathing.
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#2893565 - 11/03/09 07:40 AM Re: Weight training question [Re: 20mm]
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I have my 3rd kid coming a week from today and a Cisco certification test I need to pass by Dec 11. Hopefully after I get that stuff and the holidays out of the way, I training schedule ALMOST like that wont seem so foreign to me smile
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#2893628 - 11/03/09 08:29 AM Re: Weight training question [Re: UnderTheRadar]
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20+ years of heavy weight training here. The first rule is that there are no secret exercises or short-cuts. Some folks respond to working one muscle group per week while others get results working the same muscle group twice a week or even three times on occasion. I've fallen into the general category of working each muscle group once per week, but it's a very intense workout using medium to very heavy weights.

But since you're only interested in doing more pushups (high reps), you need not worry too much about overworking your muscles. Higher reps increase the size of your capillary vessels, causing a mild increase in size to the surrounding tissue and muscle. The increase in capillary size also means those fibers heal quite rapidly once your body adjusts. Any injury to the muscle fibers caused by higher rep workouts are quite different than injuries caused by low rep heavy weight exercises. The key is that if you feel weak, don't push it.

Prisoners will tell you to do those exercises every day. I agree. Your body will respond by attempting to adjust. What you do is push it only when your feeling strong. So if you're doing 50 pushups non-stop, and you feel good, then push it to 52 or 55. Continually increase the reps once every week.

And don't forget to do dips.


ps. Oh and don't forgot water is a key ingredient in feeling strong and muscle recovery. If your not drinking at least 3 liters of water per day, then your not drinking enough. Feeling weak is almost always the result of dehydration. And no, you won't always know when your dehydrated either.

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#2893640 - 11/03/09 08:41 AM Re: Weight training question [Re: TerribleTwo]
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Originally Posted By: TerribleTwo
Any injury to the muscle fibers caused by higher rep workouts are quite different than injuries caused by low rep heavy weight exercises. The key is that if you feel weak, don't push it.

Prisoners will tell you to do those exercises every day. I agree. Your body will respond by attempting to adjust. What you do is push it only when your feeling strong. So if you're doing 50 pushups non-stop, and you feel good, then push it to 52 or 55. Continually increase the reps once every week.

And don't forget to do dips.



It is PAINFUL for me to admit this but, I can barely do a single regulation push up... I am asking about weight training because I am trying to get to the point where I can push my fat ass up more then once.

I need to grow the strength in my upper body to get to the point where I can get on the hundred push up challenge. From there on it's easy... right now, I am just at the gym and struggling to put up 130 when I weight 240.

Dips and pull-ups... not gonna happen right now.

I am not too discouraged as I just went from breaking a sweat if I ran a couple hundred feet to finishing several 5ks this fall.

The difference is that I could take more then a single step when I started training for 5ks. Here, it feels a lot more difficult because I can only do 1 proper form push up.
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#2893701 - 11/03/09 09:56 AM Re: Weight training question [Re: UnderTheRadar]
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Um, Radar, "back in the day" there wasn't such a thing as a fitness training unit.

They just made one do push-ups, situps, flutter kicks, the mountain climber, etc. at every moment one wasn't moving from one location to another or sleeping.

I really did think "drop, Giger" was a preparatory command. The Drill Sergeant would approach the platoon and say "Platoon," in a loud voice, then in a softer one, "drop, Giger," and then "Attention" louder. This was followed by "Stand At..." with an intervening "keep pushing, Giger," and then "At Ease."

I was young and healthy and eating huge amounts of carbs and protein so it was all good, though.

To my advantage, I'm genetically aerobic, so running was never a problem. Those guys caught pure hell.

Thirty years later I still have that muscle memory which makes getting back into shape much easier than otherwise. I've gotten soft and my very minor workout routine is starting to pay dividends much faster than if I had never been in shape to begin with.
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#2893808 - 11/03/09 12:30 PM Re: Weight training question [Re: UnderTheRadar]
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It is PAINFUL for me to admit this but, I can barely do a single regulation push up...


Oh dude. You know that's bad so no need to tell you. That's a sign of little muscle mass to weight ratio. Your training requirements are more complicated than just "hitting the gym" and doing some pushups. You'll have to start with the diet and it's a tough thing depending upon your body type. Your focus will have to be trying to get "stronger" by losing weight. The less weight you are hauling around, the stronger you will feel, and thus the more pushups you'll be ale to do. It's a near impossibility for most people because reducing your caloric intake also means you starve your body - muscles included. Depending upon how serious you are you may need a professional trainer or at least an amateur one if provided by the gym. The worse thing you can do is look at someone who appears to be in shape and think they know what they're talking about. Some people are genetically lucky - some not.
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#2893830 - 11/03/09 12:59 PM Re: Weight training question [Re: TerribleTwo]
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Originally Posted By: TerribleTwo


Oh dude. You know that's bad so no need to tell you. That's a sign of little muscle mass to weight ratio. Your training requirements are more complicated than just "hitting the gym" and doing some pushups.


The good news is I know I used to be able to do enough to pass the afpft... the bad news is I am on the other side of the testosterone curve since then.


Anyone know a baseball player I can buy steroids off of?

I will keep running and keep eating smart and see what happens with my low rep/high weight routine.

I am down 60lbs from my max girth. Just gotta keep going...
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