No, just ROF video corruption. I get stuff like this all the time..I love the game but wish they would fix this.

Yes I do have a video card,,a 275 in fact
Yes I do have some ram,,2 gig in fact
Yes I do have the latest factory authorized drivers from Nvidia
Yes I have tried turning everything down to get the video memory below 25
Yes I tried turning the sound properties to low
Yes I like the purty colors but rather see the game

I have also searched and read some of the threads on this where others have this problem and even with 6 gigs of ram they still see corruption.

If I have missed something please let me know..oh,,and maybe this is just a flash back,,maybe.

Is your card overheating?

Whoa, looks like something's overheated or the card's going out!

Is it just RoF, or do other really graphic intense modern proggies do the same thing (ARMAII, Crysis, Call of Duty 4, etc.)?

Either that or there's a texture load problem that might be resolved by an unistall/reinstall.

Purple Haze, all in my brain!!!

No its not an acid/mushroom induced flashback I have had some weirdness like that myself with an ATI 4870x2 (all other games and temps were fine). This only occurs on my rig with Catalyst AI enabled, can't comment if it happens with the 4.10 drivers and latest ROF patch though as my computer is not back from an RMA yet for another reason.

I have heard others say it is fine with Catalyst AI enabled though, it is strange. I know this doesn't really help you but you are not alone.....I was getting the square landscape blocks too, (usually black) but have never seen a "Silver Surfer" aircraft yet.

Hi Warbirds.
I get this every now and then...all I do is pause the game...Alt Esc out of game...then return to game and all should be fine. I sometimes have to do this twice but very rarely.
Hope this helps.

Warbirds, I had the same problem untill I installed the "Enhanced SLI" driver from www.evga.com
They suggest installing this even if your are not running SLI with the card you have.
You might want to give it a try.

hey man, sure glad this wasn't my past catching up with me.

No nothing is warm or hot and all other games run full tilt with no purple haze silver suffer dudes.

Is anyone getting this with Windows 7?

I'm getting this on XP32 since this weekend. I was thinking it was one of my 8800s failing.

100 bucks it is the game not his hardware? Any bets?

yes sim is great, great FM, bla bla...(although currently, planes are able to fly without wings for a longer period of time and leading NeoQB guy, Petrovich, said he tried that with paper plane and it works..so he thinks it must for in sim! What a laugh...

but this sim has serious issues...regarding graphics and performance...and with server conns...


@Warbirds - immediately, buy a nuclear PC so you can play ROF without issues....be sure ITS YOUR HARDWARE MAN! hahahaha

Tvrdi,

Where do you live?

Give me your computer specs again please.

Jason

It is the game, not the hardware...I have no issues with any other game,,,

I am running two 275 cards in sli,,core duo clocked to 3.3 but only two gigs ram,,,also xp.

I am going to install windows 7 tomorrow and get two more gigs ram just to see what happens..

I love the game,,just want it to work most of the time.

Hi Jason,

I live in Croatia (EU, there, where was a border between eastern and western Roman empire) :-)

my rig:

i7 920@3.3Ghz
Scythe Katana3
Gigabyte EX58UD3R rev.1.6, latest BIOS
Kingmax 2X2GB DDR3 1333Mhz
WD C.Black,32MB,WD6401AALS
Palit GTX275 (896MB) 186.18 drivers, default clocks
Corsair 550VXEU
Dell 2209WA
Antec Three hundred Case
X-Fi Extreme Gamer, latest drivers
TrackIR 4 pro v5 final software
Win XP SP3 PRO
MS SW Precision Pro, with gameport to USB converter



from my latest post about performance issues, at ROF website:

yep AI, maybe thats why I have less stutters online (in T&T server AI is cleared on startup)...online the sim is playable for me (only few occasional stutters, except on one server wher I had massive microstutters)..offline when the planes are near I have occasional massive microstutters...less than before v1008 but before v1006 ROF was smooth as silk, no stutters at all both offline and online....they said they are workin on performance issues so we will se what they did in v1009...but I dont expect much in that area...because...
Big expectations -> big disappointment...


EDIT: online the sim is playable for me (only few occasional stutters, usually when Im lookin around with my trackir)

http://riseofflight.com/Forum/viewtopic.php?f=128&t=4646

Ok Croatia is too far for a visit to see what your problem is.

Warbirds - You seem to be the only one with this issue at the moment. Try using the latest, non beta drivers from Nvidia and then apply the EVGA patch mentioned above. This looks to me like a driver or hardware issue. Plus you have an OC'd CPU. Maybe you've overclocked other parts on accident too and the sim doesn't like it.

I'd also make sure to install all the M$ libraries found during the install including the DirectX one just to make sure.

Jason

you know, If I were in states I would bring my pc...for the sake of community...btw, you cant find any redneck with similar problem near you?

Naw, all they have in California is hippies!



Seriously, Tvrdi, why did you tie your stutter problem with this graphic glitch that ONE user seems to be having....and then generalize it to the entire sim?

When it comes back that his video card had gone bad and replacing it fixed the problem, can I have the hundred USD?

Am I reading the same post as others here or are others only seeing what they want to believe.

The OP stated he is having a problem and then four, go ahead count them I did, yes four others say they have or had a similar experience and even offered solutions that might or might not work.

And then I see the OP being accused of being the only "ONE" with this problem and please give it a break everyone is tired of this complaining, forget the fact that you want to play a game you can enjoy.

Well thats the way I saw it anyways, but then I am not drinking from the same glass as most of youz it appears.

The more things change the more they remain the same ...

I'm wondering if it could be a power supply issue. I know my 550 watt power supply was giving me graphic issues is some games and I upgraded to a 750 watt and no more problems. Then again it would happen in your other games as well. I would reinstall the game, and defrag first.

And it has exactly what to do with stutters, again?

Didn't think so.

I'm drinking from the glass that is labled "don't barge in with unrelated gripes just to get your shots in."

How about you?

"This sim has serious issues regarding graphics."
Really. I've never seen anything but gorgeous graphics on my rig, and it's not even top of the line, anymore. Was when I bought it, but we all know how long that lasted!
The majority of people running this sim do not appear to be having graphics problems. As far as the planes flying without wings goes, that wouldn't be considered a graphics problem. That's a coding issue, if I'm not mistaken, although I'm certainly no expert on this type of thing.
It seems to me, that inless everyoone is having the same problem, you really need to look at your system.

If you're referring to me, I never said to give it a break and I offered my opinions and ideas on how to fix it. I did miss Dash's comments, but it sounds like a rare issue with his setup. I don't see, unless I missed them, dozens or even a half dozen people complaining about this on the forums or in my 777 email. Out of the tens of thousands sold it appears Warbirds and maybe a handful of others have experienced this. My nearly 20+ years of PC game experience tells me there is an odd hardware issue, sure it could be a hardware setting not liking the sim, but it doesn't appear to be a widespread issue. Thats all I meant.

And Tvrdi I was just making sure you weren't within driving distance of me so I could exhaust all options of trying to help you. If you were I'd come to your house and troubleshoot your stutters with you.

Jason

Naw, he was having a shot at me for taking issue with Tvrdi's rant that had absolutely nothing to do with the subject at hand.

I stand by what I posted. The OP has a problem with his graphics and posts about it with a pic. A few reply trying to help with solutions.

And then come the posts it cannot be the game ... look at all the shiney airframes ... yeah your rig is crap fix it before you dare say there may be a problem with the code and some hardware....

I know for certain others have had artifacts and abnormal graphics. I had an instance where the aerodrome was under 6" of water and I was still able to take off. But lets forget about these anomalies we gots new airframes, oh joy.

Sorry bud I don't fall for glitter. Mebbe it is his hardware and it could prolly well be his overclock or some heat issues... and then mebbe the game is not finished yet and there is a problem with certain hardware combinations. Ya think?

If I had a dog in the chase and stood to gain I would bet $100 it was his hardware also.
I'm just 'sayin.

Warbirds...this thread may be worth reading... http://riseofflight.com/Forum/viewtopic.php?f=58&t=2040&start=70 Disabling SLI worked for me...who knows?

LOL, I'm not going to spar with you over Tvrdi's issues, Fox.

He can fight his own battles!

No code is perfect - well, maybe Hello World - and there's bound to be some hardware/driver/OS configuration (even down to loading order in drivers, which gave me fits with IL-2 when it first came out) when one thinks about PC's.

However, the problem doesn't seem to be widespread, and I'm with you, that looks a lot like a frying video card. I upgraded from my 8800GT's when I started seeing oil slicks in the water textures of IL-2: 1946; the jig was up on one of the cards, so I got a newer, better one and the problem went away.

Heck, I re-installed the DirectX drivers after a Windows update that hosed the ones that shipped with RoF and gave me crap performance. Was that RoF or was it Windows Update? A little of both, probably.

Some problems with the sim are more widespread, like stuttering and the force feedback sticks; they're working on it, and yeah, with every update I hope they don't break the sim for me.

@Dart - I dont have graphic issues in the game..only occasional stutters online and sometimes massive microstutters offline (btw it seams that servers without AI planes are smoother)..so ur right...BUT I said this sim has serious performance and graphic problems on SOME rigs..randomly...and Im sure it has nothing to do with our hardware....you know my story...before 1006 everything was fine, didnt change anything bla bla...so, please, give me that freedom to think they changed something which caused problems for some ppl....

to be on the topic...I saw at ROF website that some ppl have probs with graphics in game...Its not only one guy...

@Jason - I got that, thank you...I would help If I could

Guys, just to "back up" what Warbirds and others have experienced.....Here are some screenies I made a while back.







I am 100% certain theres nothing wrong with my hardware and temperatures are cool as a Cucumber. This only occurs on my rig when both GPUS are active with Catalyst AI. Easily solved, by disabling Catalyst AI. However, I feel I may be "missing out" on the cards potential as I think I read somewhere ROF can use the two GPU's together.

No expert, but it does seem to me to be a result of the coding. I have just had my computer back from servicing, all diagnostics show it is Kosher and in good shape. I should probably post these over at the official site but the layout still gives me a headache lol, and I get decent performance anyway with just the one GPU.

Having said all this, I hear other ATI 4870X2 users say everything is fine with Catalyst AI enabled. I do all the usual things like driver cleaner from Guru3d to make sure there is no driver corruption etc, so its a mystery.

No expert, but it does seem to me to be a result of the coding

I am an expert so I'll have a bash as the balloon has apparently gone up and the natives are getting restless.

For now, SLI should be disabled if there's any sign of graphics corruption. SLI/Crossfire mode can be tricky, I've had SLI or Crossfire since Voodoo2 and while it is gorgeous there can be some (eventually solvable) problems

I'm running a 285 Warbirds and your problem looks to be drivers with only a screenshot to go on.

You should use the Driver Cleaner, Driver Sweeper whatever mate and get the latest WHQL drivers, re-install them once you have a machine free of perhaps broken drivers

Start out at absolutely minimum settings in RoF once your graphics card drivers are installed, crank up the goodness only when you have trouble-free rendering. Try running RoF in a window and fullscreen. If this problem is seen at very low graphics settings I would be surprised, this might mean a bad card or broken drivers

The pinkness means that RoF code cannot find the textures it needs. The pinkness is a standard colour, used to indicate to the programmer that textures are not found/broken. Like in Il-2 when we make a skin but get it wrong

How one program can make it seem that the problem is the program:-

Suppose you get a game that uses large amounts of memory for the textures. It uses more memory for the textures because there are more and bigger textures than you're seeing in the other games you're playing

Now suppose that there's a fault in your graphics card hardware, the top end of memory cannot be addressed properly and you see graphics problems like this. How to test this (uncommon) fault...

Substitute another graphics card, use onboard graphics etc. The substitution test. This may give clues by eliminating from suspicion things that might have been going wrong

If I swapped the current violet-textures card for another card and the problem goes away, what can I deduce? Something wrong with the card I took out obviously. Perhaps, but one still has that lingering worry about memory addressing on the suspect card.

Now I- lower RoF settings to bare minimum, I still have the problem
-run applications that stress the card to max the graphics out, still the problem, problem not seen, still the problem back in RoF
-clean out the drivers, (I) re-install the drivers, still the problem
-check that no other program is stealing either system RAM or local RAM (on the graphics card) while RoF is running
-do not run the Mission Editor at the same time as RoF as this is known to cause the 'snow terrain' or other artifacting
-now getting more desperate, (I) swap memory sticks in case one of them is faulty when it comes to be used in big-graphics applications. Memory just sits there normally if not in use: only when it comes to be used do you see a problem
-observe that this does not look like overheating, when I would expect artifacts (odd triangles or squares jittering around, or perhaps a grid-like overlay
-run CPU-ID to monitor CPU and GPU temperatures just in case http://www.cpuid.com/hwmonitor.php
-check D3D is working ok by reinstalling the latest runtime DirectX drivers

Now I re-install RoF. Sometimes the order of installing drivers and applications can affect things. Install graphics card drivers first then a game, problems. Install a game then install drivers, problems can be fixed

"I know all that I am not a tourist!"

Well why are you asking then

Ming

Dash

what you are seeing happens when the mission editor is running at the same time.

Dobby

Some of you people crack me up...

I once bought a new video card (VESA, tells you how long I been around). Anyway, the (very sparse) documentation that came with the unit indicated that (get this, now) if I installed their video card and had problems - assuming my computer was working normally otherwise - that I should uninstall every other card in my computer...

...I mean, it can't be the card I just installed in a machine that works otherwise, right...?

Manufacturers trying to blame someone else for their problems amaze me at how far they can go.

I'll tell you what - given the "I'll bet ya..." posts in this thread - here's my bet to ANY taker:

If someone can prove to me this is a hardware problem with the OP's video card, then I'll pay that person the aforementioned $100 PLUS I'll buy the OP's video card for a fair market price. Why? Because:

- I've seen 1000 greenies fall for this, I'm sure some of their so-called "troubleshooting" steps were skipped in arriving at the conclusion they did
- I know hardware gets blamed all the time when it isn't at fault nearly as much as screwed up software
- I am reasonably sure that the OP's hardware probably isn't bad.

That's why. And I'm prepared to put my money where my mouth is.

Takers?

Didn't think so. That oughtta cover that. Anyone want to actually (logically) troubleshoot something here, lemme know. Otherwise, leave it to a pro, will ya?

G'day, gents.

Nope. I've had it since day one and have posted about it several times. Examples:









I get the usual "overheating" advice but all temps are fine. All drivers up to date, etc. Every other sim and program runs flawlessly and as smoothly as oiled glass. My comp dislikes something about ROF and/or ROF dislikes something about my computer.

I've not tried the alt-tab advice so I'll give that a shot the next time this happens.

We had a similar thread over at the RoF forum. The guys from Neoqb already stated, that RoF has a problem with DX9 and it's integration of the SLI feature. Only "fix" is to disable SLI in the NVidia control panel. I can fly without any glitches ever since. They plan to support DX11 in a couple of months and that will probably fix the whole issue. Still wonder why other game developers can fully support SLI and DX9 without any problems, but these ladies from Neoqb can't and have to thumble for months to get DX11 support. And only god knows if the future DX11 support wont introduce new problems and glitches.

It is absolutely, positively, YOUR HARDWARE. It is NOT a problem with the sim software.

That was made clear to me many weeks ago when I posted a couple of psychodelic RoF screen caps from my system.

Of course, the graphics issues only appear in RoF, while all other games and apps run fine.

And, like you, I was advised of everything I need to install, un-install, or re-install.

If only I'd have been smart enough to look for the labels on my system hardware that say, "Works for everything except Rise of Flight."

To all that say SLI is the problem,,I disabled SLI from the start as one of the test and it still happened.

To the guys that always say it's your stuff thats wacked,,it's heat,,it's drivers,,it's anything but the developers,,,thanks but assuming that it is my fault is getting annoying.

To the guys that posted their findings thanks and we know who's fault it really is.

Hmmm, the only other thing I can think of is to re-install so that the DirectX drivers that came with it are the ones your system is using.

Right Warbirds! It's not the hardware! That would mean that alot of people had faulty hardware. #%&*$#! Neoqb admitted that the problem is on their end and that's what we'd already thought!

I posted earlier on this problem which I've had from day one. There is a work around which is to PAUSE the game, ALT ESC to minimize and then click the game tab in the bottom bar to restore and everything usually runs fine for the rest of your playing session.
I realize this is not the answer to what the problem actually is but it does work and may help shed some light on the causes.
Doing this tells me that there is no problem with Graphics drivers or Overheating as I have tried numerous drivers and checked my card temps.. but there is one strange side effect to using this method which is that the Map no longer appears when pressing the M button. You have to right click and select to bring it up. Maybe this is a clue to the problem.
Ohh..and ALT ESCing whilst using this method playing online usually results in becoming a lawn dart because of the lack of pause.

QFT

I am using a 4870X2 in crossfire with Cat AI on and on a random occasion & for no rhyme or reason also have had glitches. I relaxed on the video OC and thort that fixed it but was wrong. The Alt Esc works for me also to correct the colors and I run a diagnostic while in game and have checked temps when this happens and they are fine.

It would not surprise me that it is a Direct 9 quirk. I guess my OS XP64 Pro is a bit long in the tooth now, more reason for me to upgrade.

I feel very fortunate to have not gotten one of these "broken" copies of ROF.

Me too....its definately ROF thats broken....I must get my money back then for my unbroken copy!

...either that or its MY hardware that's misconfigured and making my broken game run just fine....

...go figure!

I don't really mean to make light of other people's problems. I've had games in the past that I've wanted to get into so bad but they just wouldn't run right on my pc. It sucks and I feel bad for the people who can't play it.

But let's be honest here, it's not just the software, it's not just the hardware, it's a mix of both, and it's why most developers don't want to make games for the pc anymore. There are too many configurations out there to make it work for everyone across the board.

It kind of sounds like XP is a common denominator in some of these problems though.

Softare and ATI.

I didn't catch that for some reason; I left ATI at the x800 card.

One of the reasons I went to nVidia...seems to be a lot fewer problems with everything (like getting the best water in IL-2).

A couple of times during the beta I had some graphic problems where the sky and terrain were all white. Rebooting the PC fixed it. Was using GTX285 on WinXP/32 DirX9c

Since I've been using Win7/64 I've not had a problem. I use a GTX285 with DirX11

And bungalos ...so many bungalos.

It's infected Il-2 now, patch please Oleg

http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/2903091/Has_anyone_tried_the_ATI_9_11_.html#Post2903091

I don't really mean to make light of other people's problems

Of course not, it can be a nightmare of complexity especially for people who are just starting out

If people are respectful and sociable we'll do all we can to help our virtual aviator friends.

Ming

Look, here's the thing;

1. Just because an application works on your sysem doesn't mean there are no problems with the application.

2. Just because an application doesn't work right on my system doesn't mean there's something wrong with my hardware.

Those who base their 'expert' advice to others (install this, un-install that, re-install the other, and, of course, the ever-popular update all of your drivers) based only on their own experience with their own systems are working from a rather unrealisitic and ego-centric view of things.

It's like the guy who walks across a minefield, and manages to get to the other side safely. "Come on guys! It's perfectly safe!"

Or alternately:

1. When someone asks for assistance, they'll get it.
2. It's usually worth the price one pays for it.

Or, possibly:

1. Just because an application doesn't work on your system doesn't mean it isn't a hardware problem.




What else are they supposed to base their advice on? Somebody else's experience? Rumors from what they heard about some other guy's system and experiences? That's such a rediculous statement it made me laugh, which I kind of liked - nothing like a nice chuckle in the morning!

You've got to be a really helpful soul, Hedgehog, since you don't ever give advice based on your own experiences with your own items.

"Car won't start."
"Sorry, it's not an exact match for the vehicle I own."
"What do you think it is?"
"No idea. Although I have a similar car and lots of experience troubleshooting and fixing it, I don't want to work from a rather unrealistic and ego-centric view of things."

I see it more like this:

Post is made with a pic of corruption ...
reply ... there must be a problem with your ... uh ... look shiney new airframes ... drool ... oh yeah what was I saying again, you are a hater there is nothing ... shiney new ooh ... now I forgot what I was ... oh yes I likes shiney new airframes. Get an NVidia and stop posting about probs or we might not get new ... shiney ... drool ...

Go back and reread this post and you can put names to those who fall for jedi mind tricks and shiney objects.

Well thats the way it comes across to me, just a lot of weak minds who fall for eye candy. The game is good but not perfect. The game runs and has problems just some are overwelmed with glitter to see any short comings.

I'm just 'sayin

Ummm... Yes?

If the installation of the application on my system isn't working right, doesn't it make sense to base troubleshooting advice on my experience? Offering troubleshooting advice based upon someone else's experience (e.g., "it works on this other machine, so it must be fine") doesn't pass the common sense test.

Patient: "I can't move my arm."

Doctor: "I can only base my advice on my own experience. In my experience, both of my arms work fine. Therefore, yours should be working fine also. Try reinstalling your shirt, or updating your underarm deoderant. What else am I supposed to base my advice on? Your experience?"

Patient: "Umm... Yes?"

Dart, contrary to what you may believe, there are those of us who do actually deal with these things on a professional level. We don't necessarily have to approach a problem from our own personal experience, because we have far more experience dealing with problems of all sorts, on platforms of all sorts.

What's ridiculous is to suggest that it has to be either our own personal experience, or it must be based on heresay and/or someone else's experience. Again, some of us actually deal with things like this for a living.

I'd add that it tends to make one a lot less of the typical "Update your drivers, re-install every-freakin'-thing" crowd, when it's your livelihood and reputation with clients on the line.

And, most of the people that I know who do this for a living know darn good and well exactly what Hedgehog describes. We're not motivated to wear 'rose-colored glasses' where problems like this are concerned, as apparently some are...we're motivated to accurately identify and correct the problem.

Actually, it's more like:

"Doctor, I can't move my arm."
"Well, mine work, and I have a lot of experience in diagnosing other patients with similar problems. Perhaps an Xray is in order. Can you move your fingers?"
"Why are you asking me that?"
"Well, if you can move your fingers its an indication of one thing, it you can't, another."
"You're basing that on your experience! My arm is not your arm! What does moving fingers have to do with a broken arm!"
"It's important to figure out what's going on."
"You're just being ego-centric! What does that have to do with my experience of not being able to move my arm!"



@Fox:



QFT. IMHO, it's slightly better than good.



Who are these people? Where do they post at?

Can I make a blanket statement that some are so intent at poking holes in the sim they can't see any of the good of it? Hint: it's more than "shiney objects."

Patient: "Doctor, I've re-installed my shirt and updated my underarm deodorant, but I still can't move my arm!"

Doctor: "Look. There are 100 other people outside, and all of their arms work perfectly. Since you are apparently the only one with this "arm" thing, it's obviously not a problem."

Hi all. First off, thanks to those posting suggestions and help on this as well as other forums. To cut a long story short, I know there is nothing wrong with my hardware as I received a detailed diagnostics report from "PCspecialistUK" verifying that everything is working as it should....Memory, CPU, GPU the whole shebang....Including the tests done. I would think they would be very rigorous with these tests as me returning it costs them money (they are liable for transit costs under my warranty).

All the same @Ming your advice is sound and cheers . I am also Squad Leader RCAF_FB Orville (If you want to see my ugly mug and break your monitor screen lol I am over on the yellow pages. I fear my bid for Storm of War immortality may be unsuccessful, and here is why http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=10917&page=6 . . Point being, is that there are many Tech Gurus as well as PC technicians in my Squad, and they have given the same sound advice in the past which I always apply first incidence.

The problem in my opinion is ROF's coding and how it implements X2 GPU/SLI (everything else fine). I know you pointed this out as well Ming. The multi-GPU problem has been present from day one (at ROF's release the driver version was 9.6) and no one driver release since has "broke" ROF, the problem has always been present with at least the 4870X2 and apparently others too. Make of that what you will.

Luckily for me, again the problem is easily solved by disabling one GPU and it runs with excellent frame rates anyway, which is why I have previously never complained or mentioned it. This is however scant consolation to those who haven't got this easy solution....I feel for them and believe them when they say there is nothing wrong with their hardware. There most probably isn't. I have always disliked the "I'm alright Jack" attitude (not that it is present here, mostly very helpful peeps). Because all is well on Planet you however does not mean others problems are meaningless or their own fault. Spot the (disillusioned) labour party member, lol

To my mind, it is Neoqb's responsibility to ensure their product works acceptably well with both ATI and Nvidia brands, as both have massive market shares. It is surely at least their responsibility to ensure it works well with the driver versions that were present on initial release. I accept that for many (if not most) it apparently does, but to suppose it is certainly a persons hardware or software config at fault is not the whole picture . Its not a perfect world, and this is why I am patient with Neoqb on this matter as well as others. Everybody makes mistakes, fact of life. I know I do all the time I still think it will come good, that they are working hard to make it better, and in my opinion it most definitely is getting there ...gradually.

Just a few thoughts anyways. Cheers.

Ok,,,installed win 7 64 bit and could not get the game to work at all,,,seems win 7 kinda forgot to install direct x,,,downloaded current x and it works great now,,annnnnnd,,fingers crossed,,seems texture problem solved,,maybe.

Could be ROF needs x 10?

Sooo....it turns out the original guy who started the thread seems to have resolved the problem with - get this - fresh DirectX drivers.

And Win7.

Warbirds could get a gig in one of those Microsoft commercials!

"I just wanted an operating system that ran Rise of Flight without making me think I was on an acid trip. And Microsoft came out with Win7. It was my idea."

Yes and no Dart,,I have updated video driver and direct x trying to fix it just the other day,,what seemed to fix it was a new win 7 install causing me to think maybe better memory management or? The only reason I added direct x was because I got an error in 7 with rof so went through the whole driver, dx stuff again.

XP did not work,,Win 7 works,,go figure.

Ha! That's great thinkin' Dart!



p.s. I still think the Mac vs, PC commercials are tons more entertaining!

Patient: "Look Doc' I've been a guy with arms for 25 years or more and I like to insist I know as much as anyone could possibly know about arms! But I still will refuse to tell you this whole arm thing started back when my girlfriend left me and ran me over with the car for being such a dolt!"

Doctor: "I knew it was user error!"

...it turns out the original guy who started the thread seems to have resolved the problem with - get this - fresh DirectX drivers.


Mail me the 50 dollars, no cheques

Ming

Hi,

err, does RoF run on a Mac ?




Greetings,
Catfish

Sure, use Bootcamp and install Windows. :P

Won't run that great though due to the rather weak graphics cards they install in Macs (which you can't upgrade).

I just love the way those who were convinced it was the OP's hardware, have now completely glossed over the fact that it isn't.

And, of course, now we all have to act as if it was "fresh" drivers (didn't know drivers "go bad"), or DirectX itself, or whatever...

No, it wasn't simply DirectX or drivers - the OP has now said so. He's also said that he tried both in an effort to fix this. Ultimately, he loaded a different OS, then installed DirX and drivers. Big difference. HUGE difference.

But, the rose-colored glasses crowd will continue to see things as they choose. Their loss, really. Whatevah. I guess it's a good thing; it just emphasizes the distinction between people who are actually skilled enough to do this and make a living at it...and 'wannabes'.

Patient: Doc, my arm hurts.

Doctor: Well, I've seen this many times before. Based on a long tenure of 100% success with other patients who exhibited the same problems, I'm pretty sure I know what's wrong...but you'll have to admit your body is flawed, and take action upon that knowledge, or we'll never solve this problem.

Patient: But Doc, I don't think it's my arm that's at fault here. I think we should treat everything else, while completely ignoring every other documented case...and ignoring the email we got from the Creator saying "This happens with arms I created".

Doc: OK. Believe what you will; good luck with your arm. Who's the Doctor here, anyway? Next...

(Patient walks away, mumbling in a sour-grapes tone "Just because you're really good enough to have done this successfully for your entire adult livelihood doesn't really mean you know what you're talking about...I'm going to find a Doctor who agrees with me...and hang out in his waiting room talking to others who agree with me. My arm doesn't hurt that bad...and it really looks great, anyway")

It was drivers, end of.

You mugs going on about rose-colored glasses and dragging out tired agendas, WTF has it got to do with you

So anyway it was not RoF and the rose-tinted glasses were not rose-tinted it was just the screenshots

Most of us tech-heads at one time or another have spent ages trying to help people who refuse to help themselves by thinking about things logically "It has to be the game!"

Well boohoo and btw pfft

How do you know that he didn't simply clean out his bad-old drivers and then he installed the latest drivers correctly.

One learns to take "In the end it was..." with a pinch of salt. Yes sure it was he said, being quite as patronising as the witterers on the sidelines prattling on about rose-tinted glasses.

This is the clearly thing again. You hear someone say "Clearly I do not think that" - you know right away that this person is easily led, because the media is full of people beginning sentences with "Clearly..."

Everything is so very clear all the time, this indicates that the person who is so clear about something lacks confidence, it's bluster. If one is confident it's easy to say "It might not be this, it could be that, perhaps it's something else" See the irony? Knowledgeable people say "It may be". Wannabees say "It must be"

That's better

Ming

Don't cheat yourself outa' 50 bucks Ming, I believe it was 100.00 dollars that was on the line.




Anyway, glad ya got it sorted out Warbirds! Doesn't matter that it wasn't ROF at fault here, as long as your up in the air, guns blazing!!

S!

hey agent WWBrian Dart sir....cool ur hardware-software educated....your not the f ing only one....there are ppl who also has some knowledghe in that area...tried everything and still have hardware issues....being a smartass will get u nowhere....

btw, I will check win7 64 bit with ROF and my system and well see what will be.....better or worse....

Play nice now people lol. Some of the posts are quite funny but its getting a bit "hand bags" perhaps now I reckon

@Warbirds, glad you are sorted mate, turns out it wasn't your hardware after all .

For myself, I'm confused as to best practice RE: DirectX and updates. So I tried two approachs. I had previously read from Neoqb to use the all the software (C++ redistributable, DirectX etc) included with the CD which I had done (installed without hitch). Same bad result with Catalyst AI enabled. Re-installed ROF along with the software, Clean install of Vista64 Premium, and still same result. Tried Vista updates and still same result (again all with Catalyst AI. Without, fine).

Add to the mix that Neoqb have stated they are still working towards full 64bit compatibility (and had previously warned that it was not guaranteed), I'm not sure why an expensive update to Windows7 should be needed to solve problems. Not everyone can afford it, especially these days....So it does not count as an expedient or realistic "solution" for everyone, end of story.

@Ming, RE the IL-2 Sturmovik screens, I can say that 9.11 Catalyst has not "porked" IL-2 in any way at all on my Rig mate, it runs great. Not to say that new drivers don't...I know that they can and do. Its my first ever ATI card and generally very happy with it, but being a lifelong Nvidia user I know that their driver releases can be sh*te too. I have no particular "loyalty" to either. I just fancied a change. Will probably go back to "the Devil I know" next buy though

I'd be grateful if anyone running a 4870X2 with Catalyst AI/both GPUS enabled with no problems could tell me what they are doing....Otherwise its just leave it off for now. Runs very well on one GPU, but if it can be better then I'm game

Cheers.

Lol, maybe it belongs in the "who cares" catagory...but anyway it all works great now..and Ming,,I was hoping it was not ROF as I love the damn game and think the devs have made a minor masterpiece,,,,it's all about sorting things out now isn't it?

I did renew, clean, renew, drivers and such many times with no change. I also hate to think it needs windows 7 as many are playing fine with xp or vista.

But the basic question still stands no matter how many say it's this, it's that,,,the question is what is it that causes graphic corruption in this game..examples are here for the non believers, just look for yourself at the post with odd thingies.

I am no tech although I have worked for one and built and repaired computers every day for over year and still, even to you who think your the god of tech, we find things that are not easy to nail down.

I am not saying it is ROF or OS or drivers, I am saying we still don't know. I was lucky,,something about my install of win 7 helped, not sure what.

And what about this direct x thing,,9, 10, 11,,,and then there is the 64 bit thingie.

Oh well, it's only a game and I am really glad it wasn't a mind melt from my 70's excess.

Glad to see the patronising tone and interpretation of everything under the need to prove agendas is still going, albeit not as strong as in the past

I come to this subforum once a month to get the potentially juicy bits of info and maybe watch a good argument unfold, but i have to say i'm a bit disappointed. Not only is the game progressing too slow (the BoB SoW demo might be out before this one is completed), you guys are also slacking!

I come to one of the big topics with a cryptic title, read through a few posts and see some potential, but what do i get in the end? A mild back and forth? And in the end just when it's about forum-fu time, everyone takes Ming's and Brian's word that "it's the drivers" and they settle down. Unacceptable gentlemen, totally unacceptable

P.S. Little hint...challenge them often and aggressively, they like it. Should liven this place up a little

See you again in a few weeks.

On whether you'll take any notice of someone offering tech-help, you will want to be convinced that you're talking to someone with at least a grasp of logic. Which is what you'll need above all.

Ming's... word that "it's the drivers"

Someone reported that re-installing DirectX fixed it. The DirectX runtime drivers are er, drivers



Looks to be with only a screenshot to go on

Looks to be

Looks

It's the drivers? No one said that.


"The sky is clear, looks as if it's going to be a sunny day" (farmer at the gate)

"It poured down with rain in the afternoon we got drenched!"

"The sky is clear, it will be a sunny day" (weatherman)

The latter is legally actionable on drenching rain, the former is simply mulling things over with a straw in his mouth probably

Ming

Aren't a few of you sort of overlooking that ALL the other apps the OP was using, that used the SAME DirX and drivers, did so without problems? Only misbehavior was with RoF. (lemme double-check...yup, he did say so).

(But that's "clearly" not a problem with RoF. Nope, can't be. Now, where did I leave those darn rose-colored glasses? I need them...)

Face it: It's a problem with RoF. Unless you consider it acceptable or normal to have to change to an entirely different OS (from one which the app claims to support, BTW)...and then claim this was simply "new drivers". Get real.

BlackDog: They're not worthy of the challenge. They've proven all they know how to do is evade when confronted with sound reasoning. They've proven all they will ever do is act as if everything's hunky-dory in RoF land. They omit what doesn't fit their perspective, selectively quoting whatever they want to try and contort.

Yet, oddly, they haven't proven anything to anyone other than themselves. And I suppose it's just as well - because they're the only ones who should ever listen to them, anyway. Heh.

Patient (now via telephone): "But Doctor... the arm? Still can't move it."

Doctor: "You're overheated. You must have a fever. I know you could easily take your own temperature, but that will be unnecessary, and I really don't care what a thermometer says, anyway. I am an expert in these things, so I can tell you what's wrong without even seeing your arm, based upon my extensive experience with other illnesses. Fill your bathtub with ice water and get in it. Tell me if that helps."

I doubt very much that ROF could run on every possible computer hardware, software, setup and setting. If your in the catigory of 5% of the users having a certain problem with ROF, its usually a matter of tuning your computer to suit the software.

I have ROF running on a dual boot Windows XP 32 and Windows 7 64bit with no problems other than my mouse scroll wheel wouldn't zoom the map using Windows 7. It turned out my Mouse wheel and ROF didn't seem to like my increasing the text size at high resolutions. I could blame ROF, but having them chase every odd hardware software setup and setting problem would soon drive them to producing sims for consoles only.

Won't die a quite death will it,,ok lets look at the facts and some clues:

fact I tried all the usual stuff, drivers, Dx, handy wipes,,ect. Nothing worked.

Fact I did still have odd graphic wacky stuff in one, and only one, game, ROF.

Fact I was going to wipe the drive and re-install my trusty XP Pro but decided to try Win 7 instead.

Fact I installed Win 7 and re-installed ROF,,ROF would not load. Crap, now what?

Fact ROF would not load because it was missing a DX9 DLL (as the error report pointed out).

Fact I downloaded the latested DX9 and installed,,ROF worked fine,,better than ever,,and so far no wacky pictures.

Fact I did re-install DX9 on XP before as a try, no luck,,,but I install DX9 on Win7 and luck.

What have we learned,,,installing a new os cleans out all the crap,,I might have had some crap that ROF did not like hanging in the XP rafters. Now comes the confusing part. I have an OS that had DX10 but I installed DX9 over it (thought you couldn't go back?) so do I have both or just one?

Yes, you have both.

Or at least a DX10 with DX9 features and software built in.

Aren't a few of you sort of overlooking that ALL the other apps the OP was using, that used the SAME DirX and drivers, did so without problems? Only misbehavior was with RoF.

The only misbehaviour seen by that user from the list of his installed applications, we didn't hear about other applications he might have run in which he would perhaps have seen the same pink problem

You say 'All the other apps' as if that includes all applications available

I say 'All the other apps that are currently installed on one user's machine'. And tomatoes obviously.

That fiendish logic thing again

Ming

Easily disregarded when one is up for a nice back-and-forth, as it should be.

Patient: "Doctor, I've been sitting in this ice water all day, even though I'm sure I didn't have a fever. I'm freezing my ass off now, and I still can't move my arm."

Doctor: "Well, if you didn't have a fever, why are you sitting in ice water?? That's probably part of the problem!"

Patient: "You told me to!"

Doctor: "I was just trying to help. Why are you being so ungrateful?"

Patient: "Everything you've told me so far has been either completely irrelevant and ignorant of the facts, just simple guessing, ill-advised, and some of it has actually made things worse!"

Doctor: "Hey. You get what you pay for. And I haven't charged you anything yet."

Patient: "Great. I've followed your 'free' advice, and I'm no better off. Still can't move the arm."

Doctor: "It's actually a known issue for people with arms such as yours."

Patient: "What do you mean, 'arms such as mine?' "

Dostor: "The kind that doesn't work right. You're probably going to have to replace it."

The logic in this "doctor/man with hurt arm" analogy is very flawed. No one here is a doctor, we're all just other patients sitting in the waiting room. If you're asking help from us, you're going to hear our home remedies, not sound medical advice. Of course, in this case, the doctor is Russian, speaks very poor English and takes weeks to get back with you.

But still, why ask for help here if you don't want to hear any of it? Deal with tech support.

Ok Ming that enough, I don't have a tomatoe installed so it could not be a vegi problem..I was thinking of trying a watermelon though.

Patient: "Replace the arm?! I'm not crazy about that idea... I've actually grown quite fond of this one. And it has worked great for many years up until just recently. Are you sure that's the only way?? Replace the arm??"

Doctor: "Well, there is one other thing. It would be a lot of work, but you could keep the arm."

Patient: "What is it?!"

Doctor: "Liver transplant."

Patient: "Liver transplant?? Are you serious??"

Doctor: "And a frontal lobotomy."

Patient: "What?!? Are you nuts? How are a liver transplant and a frontal lobotomy going to help my arm?? What kind of doctor are you, anyway??"

Doctor: "I'm not really a doctor. I'm just another patient hanging out in the waiting room."

Patient: "Wha...? Then what's with the lab coat and stethoscope? If you're not a doctor, then why are you out here acting like a doctor, giving out "advice" to people who have problems?"

not Doctor: "I picked up the lab coat and stethoscope at a medical supply store. I like to wear them around hospitals because they make people think I'm a doctor. I just like to give that impression and let people believe that I'm a medical expert."

Patient: "But you've been giving people potentially harmful guidance and advice under the presumption that you are a doctor, a medical expert!"

not Doctor: "Hey... I never actually SAID that I was a doctor. You just assumed that I was because I express myself in a way that makes me sound like a medical expert. If you listen to me and follow my advice... hey, that's your problem."

Patient: "That's crazy! You're just going to absolve yourself of any responsibility for that ill-informed and potentially damaging 'advice' by the disclaimer that you are not really a doctor?? Why don't you just keep quiet instead of giving out poor advice??"

not Doctor: "Look man, if you come in here complaining about your arm problem, people are going to offer advice. If you don't want advice, then quit whining about your arm."

I went to the doctor and I told her "My arm hurts when I lift things"

She said "Well stop lifting things"

Tommy Cooper

Ming

Hedgehog, you're a funny guy. I don't want to get too deep into this hole analogy thing, but when you post a thread here you know who you're dealing with. No one here works for Microsoft/Neoqb/ATI/nVidia etc....

If I remember correctly you posted a thread a while back asking for help and then completely insulted everyone that tried to help you. No one was wearing a lab coat, you knew who you were dealing with.

Patient: "You are a fraud! You really have no idea what's wrong with my arm, yet you gave me all kinds of advice for how to fix it! You're just irresponsible, if not actually negligent and dangerous!"

not Doctor: "If I remember correctly, you're the one who came in here asking for help, and now you're just insulting me. How's that for gratitude?"

Patient: "On the contrary. If you refer back to the beginning of our conversation, you will see that I did not ask for your help. I simply stated that I couldn't move my arm, which seemed like an appropriate thing to share in a hospital waiting room. You approached me, providing/allowing the impression that you were a medical expert, and immediately began offering 'advice' for how to fix my arm problem."

not Doctor: "That's right! I was trying to be helpful! I didn't see you trying to help any of the other people here in the waiting room! At least I was trying to help. You're just selfish."

Patient: "But I'm not a doctor!..."

not Doctor: "Yeah... no wonder you can't get your stupid arm to work. Sheesh. At least both of my arms work!"

Ehhh...perhaps everyone needs to just step back and not take most of this thread so seriously.

While the doctor/patient thing is funny (and fun)...I think it's meant to be taken more light-heartedly.

...heck, continuing on in this patient/doctor vein...


...only an idiot would think SimHQ was a Hospital!


...oh, and btw... dont forget to grease your RAM!(that still makes me LOL - thanks Hedge)

More like an insane asylum...

I hope I'm not coming off as too serious, besides, I can play rof!

And so can Warbirds, the guy who started the thread, and without the graphics corruptions.

Apparently he got a new version of RoF in the last few days, as the old RoF software was completely broken.

Patient: "Wow. I started feeling some tingling in my arm last night. I got my wife to massage my shoulder before bed. When I woke up, my arm was almost as good as new! It feels pretty good right now!"

not Doctor: "Well, whaddaya know, Mr. You're-Not-A-Doctor whiner! Remember I told you to reinstall your shirt and update your underarm deodorant. And now your arm works. Now who's the 'expert' here?!"

Patient: "Oh, brother. That had nothing to do with it. I don't know exactly why my arm is better now. All I know is that I tried a lot of things and now it's okay."

not Doctor: "Ah, you admit that you don't know what fixed your arm, so you don't know it wasn't my advice that fixed it! So I'll gladly take credit for curing you. My work here is done. I must go and find another victim patient. But first, another gold star on my doctor lab coat. Now, where to find another hapless soul to add to my collection..."

If I remember correctly you posted a thread a while back asking for help and then completely insulted everyone that tried to help you. No one was wearing a lab coat, you knew who you were dealing with.

Oh that was him was it, I remember that. He seems to have gone stone bonkers since, we may need those lab coats. Plus the net and the dart gun

Ming

"I'm sorry Mr. Pot, Mr. Kettle is not available to take your call. Would you care to leave a message?"

[beep]

Is it tea time?

Did you even read this thread?

What thread

Ming

I would like to comment on this thread. But frankly, at ten pages it's much too long to read. So I will merely say that had I read it, I expect that some posters would have made very good points, but that some would not have done so. Generally, I agree with the first lot and often wish I could have made the points myself, but I also have some sympathy for the second.

Cheers,

RD.

I third that.

I also agree or disagree to some of the posts i read, or that i did not read.

And ... having tried almost all of those "tips" all my graphics are still crappy with RoF. But at least i now know it is all my fault. Nevertheless, having not too much time I will just do other things, wait for the next 400+ Mb patch and hope for the best.

Greetings,
Catfish