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#3434840 - 11/15/11 04:24 PM Re: Apache avionics modernization program [work in progress] ***** [Re: arneh]
jazjar Offline
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Sent a pm his way, so will wait for a reply, then will get his e-mail.

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#3435079 - 11/16/11 02:29 AM Re: Apache avionics modernization program [work in progress] [Re: arneh]
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Unfortunately, despite all the hard work done by Arneh and the EECH developers community in general, I think there's no reason for existence for EECH anymore since we will have Combat Helo soon. The majority of EECH players only flies in the Apache anyway.

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#3435084 - 11/16/11 02:56 AM Re: Apache avionics modernization program [work in progress] [Re: arneh]
Jacobs Offline
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There's no logic in your affirmation JayPee... the new sim (once released) will not kill EECH. Have DCS killed falcon4???

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#3435169 - 11/16/11 06:07 AM Re: Apache avionics modernization program [work in progress] [Re: arneh]
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JayPee,

That's a massive assumption you're making there.

I only fly the comanche and have actually based my pit on it. I know that GrizzlyT has also done this.

Many of the guys on here fly the red side aircraft.

Andy
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#3435252 - 11/16/11 08:05 AM Re: Apache avionics modernization program [work in progress] [Re: arneh]
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I have yet to see a recent sim as broad, ambitious, and extensible as the likes of Falcon 4 and EECH. Combat Helo may be the exception to the new sim rule, but I'm not holding my breath. New sims have been consistently pretty-to-look-at but weak on replayability. Combat Helo has a very small team and there's only time to do so much...

IMO, PC games that don't find a way to open up to some form of user content will have short lives on your computer.

Time will tell, but I wouldn't bury EECH just yet.

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#3435358 - 11/16/11 10:26 AM Re: Apache avionics modernization program [work in progress] [Re: arneh]
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From the beginning I look at Combat Helo,And in my humble opinion if EEch is dead,It also CH dead.
IN MY OPINION full campaign will be released in Ch fastest for the year,but rather, more later.(And frankly we do not have confidence or ever will be released) Sad but true.
If you want to fly for over a year and shoot to several stationary targets - good luck.
yet for a long time will have no EECH competition.
Now we have a true professional and an artist on board-Olds notworthy
And for some time we see new Dust and Explosions similar to the Apache Air Assault.


Edited by BANITA (11/16/11 03:45 PM)

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#3435495 - 11/16/11 01:18 PM Re: Apache avionics modernization program [work in progress] [Re: arneh]
jazjar Offline
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I PM'ed Arneh and the project is shelved. He's doing things other than EECH, and would like to finish the project, but can't. If anyone wants his source code however, he would be happy to give it to anyone who wants to finish what he started.

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#3435615 - 11/16/11 04:18 PM Re: Apache avionics modernization program [work in progress] [Re: arneh]
arneh Offline
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Registered: 06/18/06
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As I've mentioned I'm too occupied with other things nowadays to work on this project. I hope to someday resurrect it, but it won't be anytime soon.

But if someone else wants to pick up the work, what was done is available in the source code repository for someone with skill and interest to work on. My primary source for the upgrade was a US Army training manual which explained in quite detailed steps how to do various procedure, including things like all the steps for tasks like "Perform Target Acquisition and Designation Sight Sensor Operation", "Perform Fire Control Radar Operations", "Engage Target With Point Target Weapons System" etc. It's a public domain document available at e.g. http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/docs/tc-1-251-cover.htm


Edited by arneh (11/16/11 04:24 PM)

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#3435801 - 11/17/11 12:43 AM Re: Apache avionics modernization program [work in progress] [Re: arneh]
AndyB Offline
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Arneh,

Sorry to see you leave the fold (even temporarily!).

Please accept a big thank you for all the work you have done (and hopefully will do...) to make EECH what it is today.

All the best,

Andy
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#3468260 - 12/05/11 07:24 AM Re: Apache avionics modernization program [work in progress] [Re: AndyB]
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Originally Posted By: AndyB
Arneh,

Sorry to see you leave the fold (even temporarily!).

Please accept a big thank you for all the work you have done (and hopefully will do...) to make EECH what it is today.

All the best,

Andy


+1!

EECH+EEAH was one of the best ways I ever spent 12 bucks. Even though I don't play it now (too much time taken by my PhD, also the reason why my supposed tweaking of the AI never got off the ground), it's definitely the sim I like to play the most. Falcon 4 is second.

I agree with everyone that mentioned that EECH will not die that easily. What keeps me going back to it every now and then is the replayability and the sensation that I'm a small cog in a big war machine -- unlike DCS for example where you are the center of attention and little to no info is carried from one mission to the next.

Falcon 4 has the same type of immersion, but I like helos more than jets.

EDIT: For what it's worth, I'm 99% sure that the guys behind DCS have plans to include a Dynamic Campaign (DC) in it sooner or later. They haven't answered it openly, but if you read between the lines you get the feeling that they do not want to take the risk of making a Dynamic Campaign from the get-go but want to progress to it over the course of a few modules of DCS. But there's no clue on how soon that will be...


Edited by HerrKaputt (12/05/11 07:26 AM)

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