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#2886431 - 10/23/09 01:11 PM Re: What is the best HOTAS you can buy? [Re: Joe]
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Originally Posted By: Joe
You've said multiple times in this thread that Foxy does not define the programmability of the Cougar. As zcaa0g said: "Does this matter? No." It doesn't, because everyone that's programming their Cougar uses Foxy (just like everyone that's using their CH hardware in its complicated form uses Control Manager).


I don't have the time to go into a long detailed answer, and with so much history between Bob and myself, I'm loathe to get dragged into such a debate for educational or other reasons.

So I hope this clears this up.

The issue is that you are defining Foxy by the programmability of the Cougar. Then statements are made about Foxy being somewhat behind in features compared to the CM based on this.

I take issue with that. Especially when it is presented from people who've never used it. As its developer I have a right to pick up on those statements and challenge their authenticity.

The programmability of the Cougar is defined by and effected by the TM software, drivers and firmware.

Foxy is used to help create the programming files that can be passed to the TM software for compilation and transfer to the Cougar. And it does this very well indeed with a whole set of supporting features to facilitate this. But Foxy is MUCH more than this.

It is this additional feature set of Foxy that is being ignored in comparitive statements, even though these are currently unequalled by any Windows controller software. Therein lies the issue.

I have only the greatest respect for what Bob has created with his drivers and software. Even the ability to wrap it all into one installer is exceptionally clever. There's no way Foxy can do what all of his software can do, because I cannot write drivers, and they're an integral part of CM. But above that driver level, when you look at the Windows features, I'm good.

I'm sure he won't mind me saying that because really, what defines the CM is not its Windows features, but it's capabilities at driver level. It's a good Windows GUI, but it's an exceptional driver layer. That's the hard stuff and way out of my league.

Hope that helps.

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#2886433 - 10/23/09 01:15 PM Re: What is the best HOTAS you can buy? [Re: Nutty]
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It does, thanks.

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#2886446 - 10/23/09 01:37 PM Re: What is the best HOTAS you can buy? [Re: Joe]
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Thanks James.
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#2886624 - 10/23/09 06:34 PM Re: What is the best HOTAS you can buy? [Re: Nutty]
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Thank you James.

Originally Posted By: Nutty87th
I have only the greatest respect for what Bob has created with his drivers and software. Even the ability to wrap it all into one installer is exceptionally clever. There's no way Foxy can do what all of his software can do, because I cannot write drivers, and they're an integral part of CM. But above that driver level, when you look at the Windows features, I'm good.

I'm sure he won't mind me saying that because really, what defines the CM is not its Windows features, but it's capabilities at driver level. It's a good Windows GUI, but it's an exceptional driver layer. That's the hard stuff and way out of my league.

Hope that helps.

Nutty


Is all I was trying to say, with little to no time here to say it. You said it beautifully. Again thank you. beercheers
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#2887029 - 10/24/09 12:05 PM Re: What is the best HOTAS you can buy? [Re: 531 Ghost]
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I'm delighted to accept your apology Ghost, along with your promise to stop posting about Foxy. A great result for all concerned. thumbsup

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#2887131 - 10/24/09 03:36 PM Re: What is the best HOTAS you can buy? [Re: Nutty]
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Does this mean that the old TM-vs.CH HOTAS wars (or more like Foxy-vs.CM wars) I'd always end up reading about over at Frugal's will finally come to a close at long last? I'm relieved.

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#2887367 - 10/25/09 04:20 AM Re: What is the best HOTAS you can buy? [Re: NamelessPFG]
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I hope so bud. I truly do.
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#2893007 - 11/02/09 11:54 AM Re: What is the best HOTAS you can buy? [Re: Nutty]
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James

Thank you for your reply to my PM and assistance in getting the cougar up and running again.
Much appreciated.
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